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The offensive mess I get the frustration.  But the defense is # 2 in points allowed and I don't think the Titans D was expected to be that great coming into the season.  I know the Colts game was bad but the Colts have been tough to stop for most teams.  Maybe I'm missing something here.  I'm just surprised to see anyone calling for the DC's job.
The D has been top 10 the last two years, overall, and then crumbled as the season closed. Top 5 even at some points. Still a good 10-12 weeks as a top defense. I understand what you're saying and maybe MSommer went a little far. It's just frustrating and in my frustration I go too far too. Tops in points allowed, getting shellacked and only falling to two is very good. The Pats bend but don't break philosophy isn't fun to watch too.

They should have been better with Rashaan. Handling rookies has always been a Titans problem. He was one of the few rookies advertised as ready to rock day one. Everyone has said he is elite and all sorts of praise all summer then he got hurt for a bit this summer, but it was absolutely presented as he was ready. 

The Ds problems have been some CB (if not two) susceptible to the deep ball so badly that people make jokes like my grandma can cover better. keeping a good looking ILB and improving/developing them. In front of them. the NTs have been awful. So we've had this path for offense, this almost gameplan for anyone we play against. Run up the middle til the D falls asleep and then chuck it deep on that specific CB. The predictability adds to the frustration and the years of it being the same. 

The Titans had an impressive young NT that would beat out guys in camp, even started, and Mularkey went with the name free agent and then Vrabel used him to make an example of. All he did was leave and then start for Dallas. He did well, then got hurt and like many NTs can't hack it playing hurt so he's been inactive a couple weeks, but Boys fans like the guy and it stings. 

The GMs signed NTs but it's always someone the prior team didn't want and their fans were like good riddance. They've really all stunk since Haynesworth put up 3-4 of the best NT years in NFL history and since he was the talk of the league, every Titans fan knew him and knew how Schwartz demanded they funnel players to the middle and all that. After being schooled at how great he was, the fans have all been stung by a ton of replacements that stink. 

In the draft, the Titans have selected these super athletes that happen to play NT. Angelo Blackson caught a TD playing TE and could run. Austin Johnson had rrrreal nice combine numbers. They both looked better as a 3-4 end but not good. Austin has had things click this year. He probably has 5-6 tough games where he might not be making plays but he is fighting and battling and our center is not the easiest path in football. Kelly owned him last week so hopefully it was just a bad week. We're at a maybe point there. Darius Kilgo is this no name from Houston and that big guy has made a play the last two weeks....at end. He's a weird one in that he can get owned one play and then get in the backfield the next. I'm fine with him as one backup and developing him but I'd like to hear the DL coach say he's working with him and Vrabel doesn't let positional coaches speak. (Once in a while, generally not allowed)

At ILB we got rid of Zach Brown because he mouthed off on Twitter about Whis. While we all thought a player shouldn't do that, we all would actually do the same soon after, since Whis wasn't good. All Brown has done is regularly lead the NFL in tackles. Avery was a tough MLB playing ILB. It was absurd how many blocks he had to shed to make plays. The Jets broke up their DL so he's in about the same boat there, but he's a player. Put a good DL in front of him and he's gonna do well. 

Opposite Casey has been a prob. We have this stud DE and you know, adding another would make him "unstoppable." Nothing works, no one ever pans out. We either get 4-3 ends, project ends, or let's wait til soandso develops. Daquan Jones has had some moments the last couple years but also been pushed around. He's probably a backup on a great line but he starts for us. He's fine, just fine. Sadly Derrick Morgan is the best end we've had and haven't been able to replace him since he moved to OLB years ago. 

The CB is much of the same, money thrown at FAs, draft picks etc and they don't pan out. Butler has elite athleticism and a giant contract so apparently we're gonna see it through. 

I think most of all people want a change when a problem arises- a sub, a different set, a blitz, a double...something. When the opposing team attacks something so easily, adjust. They don't, regardless of staff.  If I were a coach and one CB got burned, I'd sub for him, have Byard double, anything. We might even have 10 DBs active one week and I'd do a rotation til someone steps up. There's no way I'd tolerate 16 weeks of the same. 

The Titans spend $ on UDFAs, more than most teams, and when they couldn't attract free agents, this was the way. They still do it. Fans wind up liking some dark horse candidate with impressive preseason play and reports of them running with the ones. They get cut and it is extra frustrating. 

 
The Texans are hot and it's looking like a real difficult challenge for the Titans. The season would essentially be over with a loss, IMO.

During their streak, their line has almost allowed a zillion sacks but Watson is doing great at buying every second he can get. He's really progressed in this regard this year. They're still a highly questionable line but he is doing a great job making them look good. Everyone's key to the game is the Titans gotta get to Watson.

Everyone's key to the Texans is that Watson throw to whomever Butler is covering. The Texans ability to put speed opposite DeAndre makes this a week where they can't hide Butler like putting him on Hogan/White and an Indy TE. Butler has to be the guy they signed him to be.

Vrabel did not like being asked why he switched to Adoree covering the top WR when Ryan was having a (all pro, best of) great year. He acted like it's a dumb question and that's how Adoree gets better with a bigger challenge. I'd give Adoree very good grades on Gordon and very bad grades on TY. DeAndre has been awesome ever since he had that off year and people insulted the guy like he was done. 

I think Adoree's athleticism should cover Cotee, Butler should cover ol man Thomas, and Ryan should cover Hopkins. 

I think the Titans will have Adoree on Hopkins and he is not elite yet so he'll lose there, Ryan on Cotee and Ryan is not cat quick, Butler on Thomas probably. 

Houston reporters expect Thomas more involved each week so...

Vrabel wasn't very happy at the presser. As I mentioned in the Mariota thread, something happened and all I've got is the owners were around and LaFleur met with JRob. 

My experience watching coaching pressers for the Titans, this was "the honeymoon is over" presser. All the first year coaches get forgiven for this and that, until they don't. I think that's what happened. If I'm right then the next step is we'll no longer hear "we" for everything and he'll start singling out coaches and players that need to do better. Again, if...but that would give us an idea who Vrabel thinks is sticking and who is moving on. Just a guess by me, just feel like I've seen this often before

 
Heckuva flight. Taylor downgraded to out after practicing and OC making him a point and Morgan (not on injury report) now questionable

 
LaFleur pulled from his Thursday Q&A this week by JRob. Does it mean something? IDK just something to keep in the memory bank

Roderick Henderson was a former beast NT the Titans had signed as a UDFA then curiously cut quickly. He signed with the AAF or AFF...whatever

 
SEVERAL Texans were talking about shifting coverage to Jonnu after his big play and how key that was to defense the rest of game. 

It's been "killing" me all week. Since when is he the offensive key guy? How difficult is it to call plays that they did ALL YEAR and adjust the game plan? I've had this nah that can't be reaction but faaa if that isn't exactly how it played out.

 
LaFleur pulled from his Thursday Q&A this week by JRob. Does it mean something? IDK just something to keep in the memory bank




 
Finally got some details and it's JUICY!!!

LaFleur hinted the Titans could get rid of Conk and Spain and revamp the line to better suit his system when JRob pulled him.

JRob made a comment "don't print that" and no one did but PK being PK, he had to toe the line some. He wrote how Conk doesn't suit the system and interviewed Conk to get him to say as such.

It is easier to find an OC that can use bookend tackles and a G on a best-ever pace for sacks allowed, then it is to replace the players. 

LaFleur's offense better rock in these final weeks. Saying that was like digging his grave- mess with JRob's ability to do his job impacting value if true, wreck team morale...oh my, so bad

 
oh I should add that JRob said they will exercise Conk's fifth year option. Way premature since that's an offseason thing, but he did try and shut that down as best he could

 
How come Dion doesn’t touch the ball anymore?  He had nobody within 15 yards of him in the flat on that last td. 

 
How come Dion doesn’t touch the ball anymore?  He had nobody within 15 yards of him in the flat on that last td. 
He had a few catches and like 6 for 36 I think. It was to be less, but really wasn't too little. They were in 3rd and long way too often and were like 1 of 12 on third downs today. A 5 yard screen to him wasn't gonna help

 
Spain made an example of, is real interesting. Vrabel also said they needed leaders to step up and players being grumpy in the lockerroom at halftime and talking at other players DID get things rolling.

Also, Levin at C, Jones at G. Earlier in the year, Levin filled in at G. Was that a mistake? Is Levin a better C? 

Taywan didn't look himself and then did and then, yeah there he is! :-)  Marcus was doing a great job lofting it well ahead so he could run under it.

Firkser may not be some super athlete stud but that guy has made catches since day one. Probably should have gone with him instead of Stocker all this time

Butler's late INT could help his confidence which is real good for him

 
Finally got some details and it's JUICY!!!

LaFleur hinted the Titans could get rid of Conk and Spain and revamp the line to better suit his system when JRob pulled him.

JRob made a comment "don't print that" and no one did but PK being PK, he had to toe the line some. He wrote how Conk doesn't suit the system and interviewed Conk to get him to say as such.

It is easier to find an OC that can use bookend tackles and a G on a best-ever pace for sacks allowed, then it is to replace the players. 

LaFleur's offense better rock in these final weeks. Saying that was like digging his grave- mess with JRob's ability to do his job impacting value if true, wreck team morale...oh my, so bad


oh I should add that JRob said they will exercise Conk's fifth year option. Way premature since that's an offseason thing, but he did try and shut that down as best he could


Bri said:
Spain made an example of, is real interesting. Vrabel also said they needed leaders to step up and players being grumpy in the lockerroom at halftime and talking at other players DID get things rolling.

Also, Levin at C, Jones at G. Earlier in the year, Levin filled in at G. Was that a mistake? Is Levin a better C? 

Taywan didn't look himself and then did and then, yeah there he is! 🙂 Marcus was doing a great job lofting it well ahead so he could run under it.

Firkser may not be some super athlete stud but that guy has made catches since day one. Probably should have gone with him instead of Stocker all this time

Butler's late INT could help his confidence which is real good for him
Conklin's fifth year option is fine. He gets more time to see if he can return to form after the ACL or whatever it was. In the meantime, he doesn't need to be playing RG unless he is the best option, and I'm not sure he's better than Kelly right now.

Do you think the OL shuffle here was related to what LaFleur said in the presser? If Levin turns out to be a good (or even average) center, that could be huge for this OL.

Moving Jones to G may be fine...but I'd expect Kline to come out not Spain. This whole thing is weird...but they might be onto something. 

 
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I don't have anything, sorry.

Titans have blocked two reporters now from parts of the week and as a whole everyone seems to be silent and careful. I can't finish this and followup today. I'll keep trying.

All I got is a blowup in the lockerroom at half time and after the game. Spain was a good guy through it.

I asked and he wasn't the culprit so what I got is not making sense yet and I just don't know the whole story

 
Oh, Lewan was fined by the team and the NFL is expected to fine him for hollering at the refs. So, I guess we can deduce Lewan was part of the blowups.

 
Conklin's fifth year option is fine. He gets more time to see if he can return to form after the ACL or whatever it was. In the meantime, he doesn't need to be playing RG unless he is the best option, and I'm not sure he's better than Kelly right now.

Do you think the OL shuffle here was related to what LaFleur said in the presser? If Levin turns out to be a good (or even average) center, that could be huge for this OL.

Moving Jones to G may be fine...but I'd expect Kline to come out not Spain. This whole thing is weird...but they might be onto something. 
To quote an NFL legend: "disorganization leads to coaching changes. One thing you can count on in the NFL is if you don't control the locker room, you will not be coaching much longer."

I'm kind of stealing from someone's article but it's super valid. Vrabel must know this. Probably called BB, probably called his BC and Ohio State buddies. 

I expect a lay down the law type sign from Vrabel any day now.  Bench a star? Cut a name? Unscheduled contact practice and make it the hardest practice of the year despite the short week?

I don't know but it is a wow true point. Vrabel will not continue to coach if he loses that locker room. 

Friday to Sunday, 87 former players and coaches were at the facility. They were all interviewed and it's going to be interesting to read what they said about everything. Monday's paper has the game review, a day off....maybe Wednesday or Thursday. 

It's all just speculation but really strong "oh good point" type. I think the Titans want Vrabel long term. (I don't think they are sold on LaFleur.) I think he's safe, but he "has to" lay down the law to stay safe.  

I've never seen a staff like this. The drama is unreal

 
LaFleur IS a head coaching candidate and relatively prominent so...wrap your head around that. Notice in the McCarthy articles, he's on GM's lists.

That really says something for a guy nailing interviews but having little success

 
Practice was called a "talk thru" :-) Is that him making sure they do everything right? IDK but I found the name amusing.  Playing the Jags without a practice...either a good or bad idea. Vrabel definitely using some smarts to decide that and cool things down

 
Spain and Kelly did not get reps with offense this week in walk thru. 

Vrabel blocked another reporter but that is allowed so he'll eat it...anyway, two good OL maybe on sideline against Jags DL.

 
Spain and Kelly did not get reps with offense this week in walk thru. 

Vrabel blocked another reporter but that is allowed so he'll eat it...anyway, two good OL maybe on sideline against Jags DL.
Would send the wrong message if Spain was "a good guy" through the blow up and then gets benched

 
Would send the wrong message if Spain was "a good guy" through the blow up and then gets benched
Guy has ten days to re-evaluate certain things

Kelly has never done a thing and Spain mouthed off like once years ago. 

Spain had a few awesome blocks where announcers even pointed it out. (Kline too btw)

Kelly was invaluable filling in for Lewan and then Conk and now Conk is hurt again

Lewan got fined by team and NFL last week. This week he gave the bird to the camera while lying on the field. I love Lewan but Vrabel needs to consider an oops there. 

New things I've seen are him having conversations with Kern and Succup and the two automatics have had off weeks the last two weeks. Shut up and let them do their thing. Whatever he thinks he's doing, he is not, just shhhh

 
The "air" is still that the Titans need FOUR OL to make LaFleur's system work and every fan thinks "skip rocks" work with that line that was one of the best two years ago

 
I think Sharpe injury is gonna be on Vrabel but I don't think it holds much weight.

It was that Vrabel asked him to tough it out as much as he could while Taylor was hurt. He was supposed to sit and heal the ankle once Taylor returned. 

Like Klug having a sore achilles then tearing it. Coach has to say "no, no, you rest it one week" and realize the big risk of making an injury worse or a weak foot/leg causing other injuries and...all that. Vrabel played, he knows, just gotta apply that knowledge

 
Orakpo's elbow...I don't know if he plays through it because it's his last chance to do so?

I rrrreally want to see Finch more

 
The "air" is still that the Titans need FOUR OL to make LaFleur's system work
LaFleur - don't let the door hit you on the way out. FFS

Coaching is fixing the system to suit the players

But it's also on Vrabel that he hired an OC that apparently is incapable of adjusting to the players at hand (and these are not nobodies, they are a proven unit)

 
JRob supposedly loved LaFleur in the head coaching interviews and sort of sold Vrabel on him. 

 
Fisker story where they asked him if he remembered anything of the Jets. He remembered their whole playbook and defensive tendencies from practice. Gotta love Harvard guys that can play in the NFL

 
A former NFL defender (behind a paywall) suggest LaFleur is already gone.

As Henry was rushing for 200, the Jags did not feel the need to load up the LOS often. Taylor averages a 5.3 cushion and Davis 4.4, second and sixteenth highest in the NFL. 

Spy notes- makes a note when teams spy a player, just a check mark. First time in career, Lewis has gone a full season without having one.

The lack of respect for LaFleur by DCs is enormous right now and there is no way the Titans brass doesn't know this. These are all things that an NFL OC must take advantage of and he isn't.

 
JRob on radio this week.

Reminded people how upset Lewan became when Conklin was suggested as a left tackle and how that was a possibility (briefly) during his rookie offseason. Will absolutely not move him to guard.

The offense must be able to suit both tackles. Titans feel fortunate to have two of the best tackles in the league. 

Responded to Conk injury Qs with that he will see the best docs available and they'll make sure he's healthy for next year and beyond. 

Spain- often discussed in league circles, got a bargain last year. Won't again. Going to discuss what we can afford to offer him, hope it's enough

Adams likes JRob's year-end review policy. He invited all coaches still under contract (prior staff) and some former players during the reunion weekend. Still hashing out how to utilize everyone

 
Firsker's 16 for 16 is still not enough to qualify on some things. If he goes 20 for 20, would be first NFL player to be perfect at 20+ catches, no one has ever had 100% target ratio.

Also, negatively, has zero catches against man coverage and zero targets. All zone

 
@Bri Taywan Taylor, I know you're a fan...I've been holding this guy since a rookie and here I am finally starting him in semi-finals.  With Sharpe banged up, think he's a better play than Courtland Sutton, has done decent the past two weeks...am I drinking too much cool-aid.

 
djmich said:
@Bri Taywan Taylor, I know you're a fan...I've been holding this guy since a rookie and here I am finally starting him in semi-finals.  With Sharpe banged up, think he's a better play than Courtland Sutton, has done decent the past two weeks...am I drinking too much cool-aid.
I feel like we are stuck holding this guy until he is a free agent. He's flashed plenty in the past and yet seems to get no reward in future gameplans. This team is so frustrating

 
KingPrawn said:
@Bri How do you see TEN holding up against Evan Engram?  Ugly scene in FF with TEs and wondering if Engram is startable over Ian Thomas. TIA
The Titans are built excellent to defend a TE. Byard was all pro. Brown is a converted safety so he's got nice wheels. Evans is a first round ILB becoming a stud the last 4-5 weeks. And they even put Butler on the TE when he was struggling and he's a special athlete, just had to get his head right. 

The prob is their nose has some good games, some yuck. The other DE stinks. There's just Casey most weeks and (I'd bet the most triple teamed DL in NFL history) while he's a beast, teams can swarm him and then run. A free runner or where it looks like he's free...that makes these others jump off their assignments in fear of the RB breaking free.

The Giants concern me, even without ODB. The Titans need to win out and here's a superstar in the making in Saquan. Other than some outlandish scenario where Evans somehow steps up even more and becomes the next great ILB, they're going to have a real hard time with him. Eli may stink in his old age, but all he has to do is some play action and hit the target of whichever DB bit on it. He does that just fine. 

I don't know. No TE should have success against them, but they do. I'm predicting "the Saquan show" and others get whatever they can. I'm rolling with Saquan in DFS but I just can't feel that comfy with anyone else on the Giants. It wouldn't surprise me with a few good Eli fakes and Engram has a nice day, it's just tough to predict all year with this D.

 
djmich said:
@Bri Taywan Taylor, I know you're a fan...I've been holding this guy since a rookie and here I am finally starting him in semi-finals.  With Sharpe banged up, think he's a better play than Courtland Sutton, has done decent the past two weeks...am I drinking too much cool-aid.
The OC said he did him a disservice (and he did) and then when he returned, he got the work. Two weeks now and throws that were despite Ramsey on him. Aside from the confidence, MM8 has an excellent rating throwing to Taylor.

The Giants were a top secondary that held teams to under 200 yards passing. Even when they didn't, they were stout and then just sort of crumbled at the end. They lost their stud though in Collins. They went from a top unit to just good or solid. I don't like their front seven much so I think the Titans will have a reasonably good day on offense. Maybe no star #s but most guys doing well. 

I predicted 6 for 60 for him and a scout friend barked at me that the Giants (without Collins) keep getting lit up by the deep ball and Taylor could be big trouble for them. 

The Titans have no good blocking TEs and their RT is on IR. Mariota has some wheels, but can he have enough time to hit someone deep? I think they'll be fine with the quick short stuff and their backup RT is very good but IDK.

I have Taylor on a playoff team too. I'm starting Boyd over him. Then i keep taking out Taylor as my flex and putting him back in and....

The way I see it, I'm not losing my season on a guy that burned me most of the year. I have OK options besides him. Do you? 

Sorry I missed this yesterday

 
The Titans are built excellent to defend a TE. Byard was all pro. Brown is a converted safety so he's got nice wheels. Evans is a first round ILB becoming a stud the last 4-5 weeks. And they even put Butler on the TE when he was struggling and he's a special athlete, just had to get his head right. 

The prob is their nose has some good games, some yuck. The other DE stinks. There's just Casey most weeks and (I'd bet the most triple teamed DL in NFL history) while he's a beast, teams can swarm him and then run. A free runner or where it looks like he's free...that makes these others jump off their assignments in fear of the RB breaking free.

The Giants concern me, even without ODB. The Titans need to win out and here's a superstar in the making in Saquan. Other than some outlandish scenario where Evans somehow steps up even more and becomes the next great ILB, they're going to have a real hard time with him. Eli may stink in his old age, but all he has to do is some play action and hit the target of whichever DB bit on it. He does that just fine. 

I don't know. No TE should have success against them, but they do. I'm predicting "the Saquan show" and others get whatever they can. I'm rolling with Saquan in DFS but I just can't feel that comfy with anyone else on the Giants. It wouldn't surprise me with a few good Eli fakes and Engram has a nice day, it's just tough to predict all year with this D.
Thanks for your time and this extensive write up. I also have Barkley so the insight is very helpful and encouraging. Not real happy with the Engram matchup but Ian Thomas' ain't much better.

 
Finch and Ryan gone for season...probably

Vaccaro may not have had a concussion but Vrabel's rule if you take helmet off...I don't get it. Waiting for presser tmrw

 
Finch has a preliminary 91.1 grade for the year. Could be top 10 UDFA since PFF started.

If you ignore limited snaps, one of the top OLBs in the NFL.

No one knows he exists though

Maybe best point, smoothest transition from DE to OLB ever for Titans...if not other 31.

 
JRob on radio this week.

Reminded people how upset Lewan became when Conklin was suggested as a left tackle and how that was a possibility (briefly) during his rookie offseason. Will absolutely not move him to guard.

The offense must be able to suit both tackles. Titans feel fortunate to have two of the best tackles in the league. 

Responded to Conk injury Qs with that he will see the best docs available and they'll make sure he's healthy for next year and beyond. 

Spain- often discussed in league circles, got a bargain last year. Won't again. Going to discuss what we can afford to offer him, hope it's enough

Adams likes JRob's year-end review policy. He invited all coaches still under contract (prior staff) and some former players during the reunion weekend. Still hashing out how to utilize everyone
Bolded to me is the biggest reason why LaFleur may be let go this off season. He's demonstrated that he can adapt a little (hybrid zone, Henry) but not nearly soon enough. And give he was assigned Vrabel by JRob, looks like the support is ovah. Should they win out, with the WRs showing improvement through changes in his O, then he might survive. Not sure they make it into the playoffs even with winning out

 

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