**Titans at Jaguars** (-6.5, 40) AFC South Champions-Jacksonville Jaguars (1 Viewer)

[habsfan]

Well, entertaining game, but both these teams suck. Worst team in the playoffs was the winner of this game.

Still - once you’re in, it’s any given Sunday.

TEN makes a lot of teams look bad on offense.

Jags certainly more fun in the playoffs than the skeleton that was the titans missing 20 starters.

A play-off game for Jax could be a tremendous momentum builder for them as a franchise and group of players, regardless of outcome.

 

[dmac37]

Well, entertaining game, but both these teams suck. Worst team in the playoffs was the winner of this game.

Still - once you’re in, it’s any given Sunday.

TEN makes a lot of teams look bad on offense.

Jags certainly more fun in the playoffs than the skeleton that was the titans missing 20 starters.

A play-off game for Jax could be a tremendous momentum builder for them as a franchise and group of players, regardless of outcome.

I agree, hoping the same for our Lions!

 

[travdogg]

7 game losing streak.. Now fire Vrabel, and let's get to work.

Fire Vrabel?????

10 teams would instantly fire whoever they have to hire him.

Well, entertaining game, but both these teams suck. Worst team in the playoffs was the winner of this game.

Still - once you’re in, it’s any given Sunday.

TEN makes a lot of teams look bad on offense.

Jags certainly more fun in the playoffs than the skeleton that was the titans missing 20 starters.

Agree Jags are probably more fun, that said, probably the worst team in the playoffs.

Chargers Jags unless Russ gets going

Jags would have a shot against Baltimore but really not against the chargers. Unless of course their coach messes things up.

Chargers have been known to chargers

Chargers have been pretty great since the bye week. Losing only 3 games (2 of which were very close games to SF and KC) and they are undefeated since Mike Williams and Joey Bosa got healthy. Truth be told, I'd rather play Buffalo than LA right now.

 

[zamboni]

Rough night for ETN owners playing in week 18, but as a keeper league owner, glad his season didn’t end tonight. Might have raised some questions into the offseason.

In a way I wish it had. Put him in bubble wrap and keep him fresh.

But yeah - I love seeing him getting the taste of the playoffs too. As a fellow shareholder on my complete rebuild i’m happy to have him.

Yeah - I was kind of hoping he’d ball out in a loss. But at least he gets to redeem himself.

Yeah - I’d love for him to give the Jags absolutely no reason to draft a RB.

I’m less concerned about them spending a pick on an RB than I am about signing one of the many FAs that will likely be available on the cheap due to oversupply.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well, entertaining game, but both these teams suck. Worst team in the playoffs was the winner of this game.

Still - once you’re in, it’s any given Sunday.

TEN makes a lot of teams look bad on offense.

Jags certainly more fun in the playoffs than the skeleton that was the titans missing 20 starters.

A play-off game for Jax could be a tremendous momentum builder for them as a franchise and group of players, regardless of outcome.

I agree, hoping the same for our Lions!

They’d be fun in the playoffs.

It’s at least gonna be fun seeing them play spoiler on SNF if they don’t make it.

But I hope they do.

 

[babydemon90]

Chargers Jags unless Russ gets going

Jags would have a shot against Baltimore but really not against the chargers. Unless of course their coach messes things up.

You mean the team Jax beat 38-10 this season? I mean I'd be shocked at another blowout but "no chance" against a team they beat by 28 seems a stretch,

That was a chargers team without Allen and Mike Williams having 1 catch and leaving the game though, no?

Sure? They also scored 17 points against the Titans defense WITH Allen and Williams... I mean they'd be favored, I'm just saying 'no chance' is a stretch.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fire Vrabel?????

10 teams would instantly fire whoever they have to hire him.

Exactly. And would be smart to do so. He’s a top 8 NFL coach IMO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sure? They also scored 17 points against the Titans defense WITH Allen and Williams... I mean they'd be favored, I'm just saying 'no chance' is a stretch.

Oh I agree with that part. I’m not saying they’d have no chance, but that was a down bad Chargers team. IIRC Herbert was still hurting as well.

It’s hard to make any kind of definitive statement using that game as an example - totally different team at the end of the year with everyone healthy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Guessing it will be LAC -1.5

I would bet my house on LAC if the line was that close.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Chargers Jags unless Russ gets going

Jags would have a shot against Baltimore but really not against the chargers. Unless of course their coach messes things up.

The Chargers' coaching staff will work hard to come up with a game plan that ensures the opponent has a shot.

They’ll have Bosa back. That’s gotta shore up that defense a bit. Nothing helps a secondary like a good pass rush.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Guessing it will be LAC -1.5

I would bet my house on LAC if the line was that close.

What do you think it will be?

 

[belljr]

Guessing it will be LAC -1.5

I would bet my house on LAC if the line was that close.

It's in Jax

 

[BobbyLayne]

Every starting quarterback in the AFC playoffs was drafted in the last 6 years:

Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Lamar Jackson

Mac Jones/Tua Tagovailoa/Kenny Pickett

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Guessing it will be LAC -1.5

I would bet my house on LAC if the line was that close.

What do you think it will be?

Chargers -5.5

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Guessing it will be LAC -1.5

I would bet my house on LAC if the line was that close.

It's in Jax

Ok, Chargers -3.5 maybe.

Still think it’s -5.5

 

[JaxBill]

It was always the Jaguars

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Well, entertaining game, but both these teams suck. Worst team in the playoffs was the winner of this game.

Still - once you’re in, it’s any given Sunday.

TEN makes a lot of teams look bad on offense.

Jags certainly more fun in the playoffs than the skeleton that was the titans missing 20 starters.

A play-off game for Jax could be a tremendous momentum builder for them as a franchise and group of players, regardless of outcome.

I agree, hoping the same for our Lions!

They’d be fun in the playoffs.

It’s at least gonna be fun seeing them play spoiler on SNF if they don’t make it.

But I hope they do.

Unfortunately for the Packers, the Lions will be a motivated team even if they can't make the playoffs. A win gives them a sweep over Green Bay and a winning record after starting 1-6, and I'm sure they want to carry that accomplishment into next season.

 

[Streetduck]

Y’all talk your trash the Jags have improved leaps and bounds and that’s what’s important to us Jag fans. First taste for this young team in the playoff, not expecting a Super Bowl but be careful betting your house. How many would have thought they’d beat Dallas?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

7 game losing streak.. Now fire Vrabel, and let's get to work.

I believe you've brought up firing Vrabel in other threads, so I'll say again what I said there:

He just won a power struggle with the GM. He's not going anywhere.

 

[-OZ-]

7 game losing streak.. Now fire Vrabel, and let's get to work.

I believe you've brought up firing Vrabel in other threads, so I'll say again what I said there:

He just won a power struggle with the GM. He's not going anywhere.

First losing season He’s had. Nobody really thinks he should be fired. Despite this epically bad last half of the season he’s still among the B+ coaches at worst.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Y’all talk your trash the Jags have improved leaps and bounds and that’s what’s important to us Jag fans. First taste for this young team in the playoff, not expecting a Super Bowl but be careful betting your house. How many would have thought they’d beat Dallas?

It’s a figure of speech, and only in the context of a suggested -1.5 line.

Take a deep breath. I was rooting for your jags all night. I’m not taking trash by any stretch, friend.

 

[Capella]

Now fire Vrabel,

I’m sorry what

 

[Streetduck]

Y’all talk your trash the Jags have improved leaps and bounds and that’s what’s important to us Jag fans. First taste for this young team in the playoff, not expecting a Super Bowl but be careful betting your house. How many would have thought they’d beat Dallas?

It’s a figure of speech, and only in the context of a suggested -1.5 line.

Take a deep breath. I was rooting for your jags all night. I’m not taking trash by any stretch, friend.

That’s fine 1.5 or not if the Jags win you would lose your house! Worst team in the playoffs, I didn’t address you directly or quote you on that. Seems like you need to take the deep breath friend. I’m cool my Jags are in and went from worst to first in the AFC South all is well. (And I know Travdogg made the worst team comment not you)

 

[rockaction]

It was always the Jaguars

Good to see you, GB. Haven't seen you around in a bit.

 

[rockaction]

I don't agree with the "fire Vrabel" comment, but he put too much on Dobbs's plate on that last drive. 3rd and 5 with Derrick Henry and a PS QB? You run the ball and let JAX try and win it. Vrabel's end of game management was brutal tonight.

He deserves kudos for taking a guy from the Lions PS and making him a viable QB for the week, though.

 

[Bri]

The more I see the replay, the more I think it was the worst call in years. I don't understand how the replay booth didn't overturn it.

I didn't expect the Titans to win or anything and I don't generally complain about calls but that was rough

 

[Bri]

There's usually a wild card team no respected or taken lightly that wins. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jags are that team.
They did a great job on D in the second half and that's when most teams don't have the energy or fortitude to stop Henry.

 

[Insein]

Every starting quarterback in the AFC playoffs was drafted in the last 6 years:

Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Lamar Jackson

Mac Jones/Tua Tagovailoa/Kenny Pickett

It's a somewhat important position.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Chargers @ Jags should be a fairly close betting line.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Y’all talk your trash the Jags have improved leaps and bounds and that’s what’s important to us Jag fans. First taste for this young team in the playoff, not expecting a Super Bowl but be careful betting your house. How many would have thought they’d beat Dallas?

It’s a figure of speech, and only in the context of a suggested -1.5 line.

Take a deep breath. I was rooting for your jags all night. I’m not taking trash by any stretch, friend.

That’s fine 1.5 or not if the Jags win you would lose your house! Worst team in the playoffs, I didn’t address you directly or quote you on that. Seems like you need to take the deep breath friend. I’m cool my Jags are in and went from worst to first in the AFC South all is well. (And I know Travdogg made the worst team comment not you)

Congrats to your jags. They make the playoffs more interesting than the Titans for sure.

But if the line is -1.5 I’m likely betting the chargers. No offense. It would be a very friendly line. I doubt Vegas has it that close but I could be wrong.

 

[sho nuff]

The more I see the replay, the more I think it was the worst call in years. I don't understand how the replay booth didn't overturn it.

I didn't expect the Titans to win or anything and I don't generally complain about calls but that was rough

Because it was a fumble. The ball was moving in his hand when it starts to come forward. I actually thought they might overturn because...well, the NFL typically does that when I am pretty sure of a call as they don't ever seem to apply consistent rulings...but that was clearly a fumble.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

PFF
@PFF
Jaguars over the last three years:
2020: Get #1 overall pick
2021:Get #1 overall pick
2022: AFC South champs

 

[Rubi]

Congrats to The Jags,you made the playoffs baby! And apologies for the attendance jokes,apparantley the game was a sellout with S.R.O. Way to go!

 

[Sam Quentin]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

 

[Sam Quentin]

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

Define “control “

If I can propel an object forward 10 yards? I clearly have control of that object

 

[Da Guru]

Titans lost faith in Willis?

When Dobbs could not get much going thought they would try Willis for some spark.

 

[Wingnut]

When did Profootballreference become Wikipedia?

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

Again that’s what the NFL calls it.

It is not literally an empty hand.

But the hand was not gripping the football at the time he pushed it forward. Ergo, it was clearly a fumble.

Playing games with semantics doesn’t change that.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

Again that’s what the NFL calls it.

It is not literally an empty hand.

But the hand was not gripping the football at the time he pushed it forward. Ergo, it was clearly a fumble.

Playing games with semantics doesn’t change that.

In order to propel the ball forward, he needs to have some degree of grasp on the ball.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

Again that’s what the NFL calls it.

It is not literally an empty hand.

But the hand was not gripping the football at the time he pushed it forward. Ergo, it was clearly a fumble.

Playing games with semantics doesn’t change that.

In order to propel the ball forward, he needs to have some degree of grasp on the ball.

No, he doesn’t.

and the refs on field and review officials in NY agreed.

 

[crushedspirit]

I don't agree with the "fire Vrabel" comment, but he put too much on Dobbs's plate on that last drive. 3rd and 5 with Derrick Henry and a PS QB? You run the ball and let JAX try and win it. Vrabel's end of game management was brutal tonight.

He deserves kudos for taking a guy from the Lions PS and making him a viable QB for the week, though.

Vrabel is a good/great regular season coach. The issue I would have if I was a Titan fan is if he can take them further. I think 2019 was the absolute ceiling, and I doubt he can duplicate it personally, and the 2 one-and-done appearances after that, plus this season's collapse adds to the doubts.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

Again that’s what the NFL calls it.

It is not literally an empty hand.

But the hand was not gripping the football at the time he pushed it forward. Ergo, it was clearly a fumble.

Playing games with semantics doesn’t change that.

In order to propel the ball forward, he needs to have some degree of grasp on the ball.

No, he doesn’t.

and the refs on field and review officials in NY agreed.

So the refs and the officials in NY don’t understand basic physics?

 

[rockaction]

I think 2019 was the absolute ceiling, and I doubt he can duplicate it personally, and the 2 one-and-done appearances after that, plus this season's collapse adds to the doubts.

You could substitute the word "Tannehill" in there instead of "Vrabel" and you'd have a sentence that makes just as much sense.

What I'm saying is that might be a build problem with the quarterback and surrounding cast that has carried him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Item 1. Forward Movement of Hand

When a player is in control of the ball and is attempting to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass.

Any time I throw a ball

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

If he didn’t have control, how could he propel the ball forward?

Shot put.

are you saying that a shot putter doesn’t have control of the shot put?

I would argue that a shot putter has complete control of the shot put and that shot putting a ball is a forward pass

I’m saying what the NFL rules are.

You asked how it could possibly be going forward without it being a pass and I answered accurately - it’s a push while fumbling. A “forward fumble” if you will.

The ball was clearly moving before his forward motion, ergo when he pushed it forward, by NFL definition it was an “empty hand” and thus a fumble.

Sorry you don’t like it, but that’s what it was. They got the call correct on the field, which is why it was upheld on review.

I think anybody can see that the hand was not empty at all and by any dictionary definition of “control” he had control over the ball.

Again that’s what the NFL calls it.

It is not literally an empty hand.

But the hand was not gripping the football at the time he pushed it forward. Ergo, it was clearly a fumble.

Playing games with semantics doesn’t change that.

In order to propel the ball forward, he needs to have some degree of grasp on the ball.

No, he doesn’t.

and the refs on field and review officials in NY agreed.

So the refs and the officials in NY don’t understand basic physics?

No, they understand basic rules of football.

Lack of control = “empty hand” = fumble, despite his pushing the ball (which he wasn’t gripping) forward.

You can look this up you know. I’ll leave you to do that. Have a good day.

 

[Bri]

The more I see the replay, the more I think it was the worst call in years. I don't understand how the replay booth didn't overturn it.

I didn't expect the Titans to win or anything and I don't generally complain about calls but that was rough

Because it was a fumble. The ball was moving in his hand when it starts to come forward. I actually thought they might overturn because...well, the NFL typically does that when I am pretty sure of a call as they don't ever seem to apply consistent rulings...but that was clearly a fumble.

How far did the ball go? What's the mechanics of that happening? Fumbles pop out and roll around and everyone dives pig piles on it.

This was a sound argument about the tuck rule game yet Brady and BB got their gift. I can't believe it's not relevant now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The more I see the replay, the more I think it was the worst call in years. I don't understand how the replay booth didn't overturn it.

I didn't expect the Titans to win or anything and I don't generally complain about calls but that was rough

You would need to see what they labeled a catch vs the Miami Dolphins vs New England last week
Thornton has 1 foot down in bounds, 2nd foot is completely out of bounds and they rule it a catch and nobody seems to understand why, not the TV Ref, nobody

 

[Bri]

The more I see the replay, the more I think it was the worst call in years. I don't understand how the replay booth didn't overturn it.

I didn't expect the Titans to win or anything and I don't generally complain about calls but that was rough

You would need to see what they labeled a catch vs the Miami Dolphins vs New England last week
Thornton has 1 foot down in bounds, 2nd foot is completely out of bounds and they rules it a catch and nobody seems to understand why, not the TV Ref, nobody

That stuff infuriates me.
The presentation of "we're going to review plays to catch mistakes to ensure a good game is called" becomes hog wash when everyone at home disagrees with a call.

I can't stand when both teams fans (millions of people) are in agreement and yet a call is the opposite.

The Jags Titans is divided, not this thread topic.

 

[Rubi]

When the arm is moving forward with the ball. It’s a forward pass

The ball didn’t move forward by magic and he didn’t bat it forward…

Fumble!! Need control moving forward

Define “control “

If I can propel an object forward 10 yards? I clearly have control of that object

Not if you wanted to propel that object 20 yards. You lost control. You did not control what you wanted to do with the object.