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- Thread starter Bri
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Femi and D got into a fight. It reads to me like he had a bad day, not as bad, but frustrated..
Big Jeff mixed it up and I just take that as typical type camp thing.
Very much a better day for the defense. They did far better and held Atlanta in check. There's a handful of plays that Atlanta's elite just made plays but sounds like they got it together today.
Femi and D got into a fight. It reads to me like he had a bad day, not as bad, but frustrated..
Big Jeff mixed it up and I just take that as typical type camp thing.
Very much a better day for the defense. They did far better and held Atlanta in check. There's a handful of plays that Atlanta's elite just made plays but sounds like they got it together today.
No idea what happened with Reese.
He stopped practicing a few days ago and was waived today. He was getting some limited work with the ones and then not.
Gray and Orj had been above him lately and then ACL tear for Orj and suddenly Reese isn't practicing.
Radio cautioned it may not be negative. He has zero reputation issues or history.
It may have been a trade worked out, don't let him get hurt, then trade fell through.
Could be anything
If so- because I definitely assume good things here, good dude-
I'm guessing his agent says he should go to whatever team was interested in the trade.
Maybe Patriots?
But again- no idea
One suggested health related or family related and we may not know
Very curious
He stopped practicing a few days ago and was waived today. He was getting some limited work with the ones and then not.
Gray and Orj had been above him lately and then ACL tear for Orj and suddenly Reese isn't practicing.
Radio cautioned it may not be negative. He has zero reputation issues or history.
It may have been a trade worked out, don't let him get hurt, then trade fell through.
Could be anything
If so- because I definitely assume good things here, good dude-
I'm guessing his agent says he should go to whatever team was interested in the trade.
Maybe Patriots?
But again- no idea
One suggested health related or family related and we may not know
Very curious
Yeah it feels like a busts next chance
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Any update on Winston?
Knee soreness, probably pushed it too hard
Just managing
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Have a rookie draft coming up this weekend and largely based on some of the reports you've provided here previously, he is an IDP I am considering with one of my later picks (I think he will slip to me). I understand he is coming off a torn ACL/surgery and the knee swelling/management may be completely normal. But as of the information available now... does the knee swelling give you any pause or reason to avoid him?
No it's normal and they're even raving about him in his absence so think of him like a first or second rounder that fell to them
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Pretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
massraider
Footballguy
Just heardPretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
He's going to be working with the trainers next week doing more arduous tests.
Sooo they probably "push him" and have a doc near and ice it up and/or drain it etc
If all is good, he'll return next week or they'll keep up the treatment
I think in that format I would be going best IDP available at 3.03, probably a DE at 3,.07 and then Winston as a FA. I see potential here but you are going to get far higher ranked rookies with your picks than Winston. Also with the injury management news coming out I think owners will look elsewhere.Pretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Do not disagree... in theory, we are talking about one of the top 7 IDP's at 3.07. With the possibility 1 or 2 have gone before the 3rd round, so it could be one of the top 9 or 10 IDP's instead. To your point, Winston still may not make the top 10.I think in that format I would be going best IDP available at 3.03, probably a DE at 3,.07 and then Winston as a FA. I see potential here but you are going to get far higher ranked rookies with your picks than Winston. Also with the injury management news coming out I think owners will look elsewhere.Pretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
As Bri alluded to, I do think Winston has a higher ceiling than his draft spot due to the torn ACL last season. And since ours isn't a dynasty league, we have to make a roster decision on these guys going into year 3 (we essentially have them on the taxi squad their first 2 years, although they are eligible to play). In recent years, I've found that a good box safety is typically playable sooner than a DE and often even sooner than a LB. So part of the interest is due to our league format and the fact we are a shallow IDP league (start 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB). So often DE's take longer before they are good enough in our league. As an example, I drafted Will Anderson and Jack Campbell 2 years ago and although it was very, very close with Anderson, I have better keeper options than Campbell this season.
More than you needed to know, but so much of this is our league context. Your point still applies though, and I will not pick Winston over a clearly better player. If this were a dynasty league your point would be even more true.
Thanks!
I assumed it was classic dynasty league - I also forgot to ask how many you start.Do not disagree... in theory, we are talking about one of the top 7 IDP's at 3.07. With the possibility 1 or 2 have gone before the 3rd round, so it could be one of the top 9 or 10 IDP's instead. To your point, Winston still may not make the top 10.I think in that format I would be going best IDP available at 3.03, probably a DE at 3,.07 and then Winston as a FA. I see potential here but you are going to get far higher ranked rookies with your picks than Winston. Also with the injury management news coming out I think owners will look elsewhere.Pretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
As Bri alluded to, I do think Winston has a higher ceiling than his draft spot due to the torn ACL last season. And since ours isn't a dynasty league, we have to make a roster decision on these guys going into year 3 (we essentially have them on the taxi squad their first 2 years, although they are eligible to play). In recent years, I've found that a good box safety is typically playable sooner than a DE and often even sooner than a LB. So part of the interest is due to our league format and the fact we are a shallow IDP league (start 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB). So often DE's take longer before they are good enough in our league. As an example, I drafted Will Anderson and Jack Campbell 2 years ago and although it was very, very close with Anderson, I have better keeper options than Campbell this season.
More than you needed to know, but so much of this is our league context. Your point still applies though, and I will not pick Winston over a clearly better player. If this were a dynasty league your point would be even more true.
Thanks!
Usually I dont focus on DE in rookie drafts but this format makes them more appealing as you could be looking at Carter or Walker at 3.07. The forced to pick IDP also influences this.
I guess Schwes doesnt fall to 3.03 (if he does smash draft), but maybe Emmanwori at 3.03 , DE or LB if you feel like it at 3.07 and then Winston in waivers. Im pretty sure Winston goes undrafted in this format.
I have a hard time taking DB's with any sort of draft capital. They are typically a dime a dozen and you can also find a top 15ish guy on the wire.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Wise advice in every regard... thanks scothawk.I assumed it was classic dynasty league - I also forgot to ask how many you start.Do not disagree... in theory, we are talking about one of the top 7 IDP's at 3.07. With the possibility 1 or 2 have gone before the 3rd round, so it could be one of the top 9 or 10 IDP's instead. To your point, Winston still may not make the top 10.I think in that format I would be going best IDP available at 3.03, probably a DE at 3,.07 and then Winston as a FA. I see potential here but you are going to get far higher ranked rookies with your picks than Winston. Also with the injury management news coming out I think owners will look elsewhere.Pretty much what I was thinking/hoping. Thanks Bri!
We have a three round rookie draft, with the 3rd round IDP only. Typically the top 1-2 IDP's may go in the mid-to-late 2nd round. But no more than that. And sometimes none go before the 3rd. I have 3.03 and 3.07. Was thinking Winston as an upside pick who is likely to get to me at 3.07.
Thanks again!
As Bri alluded to, I do think Winston has a higher ceiling than his draft spot due to the torn ACL last season. And since ours isn't a dynasty league, we have to make a roster decision on these guys going into year 3 (we essentially have them on the taxi squad their first 2 years, although they are eligible to play). In recent years, I've found that a good box safety is typically playable sooner than a DE and often even sooner than a LB. So part of the interest is due to our league format and the fact we are a shallow IDP league (start 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB). So often DE's take longer before they are good enough in our league. As an example, I drafted Will Anderson and Jack Campbell 2 years ago and although it was very, very close with Anderson, I have better keeper options than Campbell this season.
More than you needed to know, but so much of this is our league context. Your point still applies though, and I will not pick Winston over a clearly better player. If this were a dynasty league your point would be even more true.
Thanks!
Usually I dont focus on DE in rookie drafts but this format makes them more appealing as you could be looking at Carter or Walker at 3.07. The forced to pick IDP also influences this.
I guess Schwes doesnt fall to 3.03 (if he does smash draft), but maybe Emmanwori at 3.03 , DE or LB if you feel like it at 3.07 and then Winston in waivers. Im pretty sure Winston goes undrafted in this format.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Totally get it. Especially in dynasty format (or deeper leagues).
DE's are typically slow to be good enough in our league unless they are elite (Myles Garrett, Nick Bosa, Will Anderson... and in theory, Abdul Carter, etc.). LB's used to be the clear cut priority after an elite DE. With the IDP 'true position' moving most rush LB's to DE's, that has only caused good LB's to be even more valuable, imo. And DE's slightly less so due to the relative lack of scarcity now.
Agree it has always been easier to go grab a DB you can plug and play... but in our rookie draft, due to the specific nature of our league (which differentiates it from dynasty), I've had more success hitting on high level box safeties (Derwin James, Brian Branch, etc.) who contribute immediately. The LB picks I've made in recent years seem to take longer now as teams seem more reluctant to hand them the reigns out of the gate (think Jack Campbell or Edgerrin Cooper). Seems like more and more NFL teams use the rookie year as a learning year for young LB's now. Of course, in dynasty this matters less.
To be clear, I rarely use draft capital on DB. Like you said the wire is bountiful and I always build a strong core before the season starts. That said, the majority of my leagues are start 4 DB and having 4 good S is important. Other owners reach for DB too early for my liking in rookie drafts and as a result I never come away with a top ranked DB in any draft and its been that way for years. I would rather be taking RB/WR in the 3rd and 4th rounds than a rookie DB who may or may not contribute.
The big difference here is that this owner MUST take IDP in 3rd round, To me that brings the top DBs and I mean top only, into play. If there isn't a stud LB at 3.03 then I think Emmanwori makes sense. He is a great player and went to a defensive minded coach who is going to use him as a playmaker.
J Giles Band
Footballguy
This, exactly...
And after Schwesinger, I'm not sure Campbell and Knight are playable out of the gate. Good dynasty prospects for sure. And Knight likely starts and contributes. Just not sure he is a 'stud' LB. At least not immediately. I like Campbell's talent... but don't love the immediate situation. And then it falls off a cliff... I am sure another LB from the group will emerge. But who knows which one or when?
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The lack of other guys equal to Schwes is the only thing that makes me think there is a chance Winston gets drafted in the 3rd. Even then, I think there are other safetys ahead of him and I also think owners will chase LB prospects. A mini run there and you will be fine.This, exactly...
And after Schwesinger, I'm not sure Campbell and Knight are playable out of the gate. Good dynasty prospects for sure. And Knight likely starts and contributes. Just not sure he is a 'stud' LB. At least not immediately. I like Campbell's talent... but don't love the immediate situation. And then it falls off a cliff... I am sure another LB from the group will emerge. But who knows when?
I own 0 shares o Campbell because PHI has so many ILB and zero of Knight because he is 25 and I dont think he is definitely better than their other pick Barrett in the long term.
In your situation I am taking the 2 best IDP available with my picks, and going all in for Winston on the wire.
Or if Schwes drops to 3.01 try and trade up from 3.03. Im guessing that would be expensive though.
You could always take Schwes in the 2nd..........
J Giles Band
Footballguy
Schwesinger and Carter both could very well go in the 2nd round. But those would be the only two, I think. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.The lack of other guys equal to Schwes is the only thing that makes me think there is a chance Winston gets drafted in the 3rd. Even then, I think there are other safetys ahead of him and I also think owners will chase LB prospects. A mini run there and you will be fine.This, exactly...
And after Schwesinger, I'm not sure Campbell and Knight are playable out of the gate. Good dynasty prospects for sure. And Knight likely starts and contributes. Just not sure he is a 'stud' LB. At least not immediately. I like Campbell's talent... but don't love the immediate situation. And then it falls off a cliff... I am sure another LB from the group will emerge. But who knows when?
I own 0 shares o Campbell because PHI has so many ILB and zero of Knight because he is 25 and I dont think he is definitely better than their other pick Barrett in the long term.
In your situation I am taking the 2 best IDP available with my picks, and going all in for Winston on the wire.
Or if Schwes drops to 3.01 try and trade up from 3.03. Im guessing that would be expensive though.
You could always take Schwes in the 2nd..........
Cedric Gray ran with the starters during intrasquad and had a heckuva day.
This game just started.
He rushed the passers, smashed the RB out of the way, and sacked the QB.
I guess his chances of starting have come back to life.
Williams was such a lock and just got a day off too
This game just started.
He rushed the passers, smashed the RB out of the way, and sacked the QB.
I guess his chances of starting have come back to life.
Williams was such a lock and just got a day off too
Williams was in on next series. Something wrong with matchups. A "who's got him" scenario and then he chased a back down faaaast.
Easton Stick with an unbelievable (did you really do that?) throw towards four Titans and shocker it was intercepted and pick six.
I'm already wondering if this game is done as far as people that will make the roster.
Maybe one more series
Easton Stick with an unbelievable (did you really do that?) throw towards four Titans and shocker it was intercepted and pick six.
I'm already wondering if this game is done as far as people that will make the roster.
Maybe one more series
Deep shot, Harris tipped away
Secondary has been awesome. I feel like Falcons have 20 yards passing. QBs not good but...whatever.
Gimme pass to Franks as Titans way backed up with little time left. :18. Bit premature to do that.
Stick throws it away
Falcons to punt so that's it
Secondary has been awesome. I feel like Falcons have 20 yards passing. QBs not good but...whatever.
Gimme pass to Franks as Titans way backed up with little time left. :18. Bit premature to do that.
Stick throws it away
Falcons to punt so that's it
Gray looked real good.
Williams is so fast for a backer. It's constant "there he is again" just like their LB they foolishly traded away last year. He's always there unless ya go deep and he isn't supposed to be.
Gray...best ever game. Some on Twitter say it's because he played against backups.
He was an attitude adjustment effort issue and then a good boy and this is really his first camp. I think maybe everyone writing that Williams was a lock stirred him up. He looked inspired and sooo good.
He never has so it's possible it's the backups but I'd lean towards the staff got thru to him and he grew up
massraider
Footballguy
.@Titans HC Brian Callahan: Cedric Gray has really come along, and keeps showing up. He's making himself a case to play next to Cody Barton at ILB
I think the fact that he started the game that first series with Barton is telling. Barton played one series and left, so the plan was always to run with Gray and Williams. The fact that he had a great game on top of that...
What he said
Plus Wyatt had Callahan saying he's "surging."
It's not a me thing at all. Everyone had Williams with the spot locked up
I'd compare it to a WR having a couple TD practice then following it up with another. One is "nice but do that again" but when he does do it again...welp
Callahan singled out Marcus Harris and said Kendell Brooks has really come on in ST.
I think Jermari Harris maybe is leaning towards PS now or he's just trying to nudge him.
It's kind of funny that almost no one is giving much credit to the INTs thrown right into defenders laps. It's just "good play"
I think Jermari Harris maybe is leaning towards PS now or he's just trying to nudge him.
It's kind of funny that almost no one is giving much credit to the INTs thrown right into defenders laps. It's just "good play"
Radio discussion that a great week won't make someone a starter.
Cant forget Williams was afforded time off and has played well is there isn't a negative on him.
Supposing Gray is better, he wouldn't start til week four; share for a few weeks.
Chestnut split them for a long run today. A play Ward changed so what did the rookie see about the ILBs?
Cant forget Williams was afforded time off and has played well is there isn't a negative on him.
Supposing Gray is better, he wouldn't start til week four; share for a few weeks.
Chestnut split them for a long run today. A play Ward changed so what did the rookie see about the ILBs?
Snead returned
I don't think it was a veteran summer off at all. He's not legendarily type good.
Videos showed individual drills. Since he was working on the side last week that seems like typical progression. He told reporters he was in great shape but had to get in football shape which...all seems regular to me.
Not much on Winston this week. He must be well off to the side because reporters tweet he's not there but then that he is. I assume an "oh I see him over there" type thing
I don't think it was a veteran summer off at all. He's not legendarily type good.
Videos showed individual drills. Since he was working on the side last week that seems like typical progression. He told reporters he was in great shape but had to get in football shape which...all seems regular to me.
Not much on Winston this week. He must be well off to the side because reporters tweet he's not there but then that he is. I assume an "oh I see him over there" type thing
