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Broyles will man the slot, Young will line up outside opposite Calvin.
WisWolvrns
Footballguy
Young game has been compared to Desean Jackson a number of times coming out of college.
So it's just a matter of time I figure that his quickness and speed will translate into big games for Detroit as long as his head is screwed on straight and Stafford doesn't remain locked in on Calvin. I figure Tds will be tough for Young for anything but long bombs because Stafford has so much faith in Calvin and Pettigrew/Scheffler in the red zone he just focuses on them with throwing it up for grabs regardless of coverage...
So in a nutshell, I feel Young has the ability to be very productive, but he also needs Stafford to mature as a passer to spread the ball around to WR's other than Calvin Johnson. Even the the pre-season this year, Stafford was locking in only on Johnson... I took that as a little troubling... since one would figure Stafford knows what he has with Johnson, so in the preseason he should work more at throwing to the other WRs... guess we will know more in less than a week how things will pan out.
For this year, I'm not concerned with Broyles. Next year though, it will be an interesting scenario to figure out...
So it's just a matter of time I figure that his quickness and speed will translate into big games for Detroit as long as his head is screwed on straight and Stafford doesn't remain locked in on Calvin. I figure Tds will be tough for Young for anything but long bombs because Stafford has so much faith in Calvin and Pettigrew/Scheffler in the red zone he just focuses on them with throwing it up for grabs regardless of coverage...
So in a nutshell, I feel Young has the ability to be very productive, but he also needs Stafford to mature as a passer to spread the ball around to WR's other than Calvin Johnson. Even the the pre-season this year, Stafford was locking in only on Johnson... I took that as a little troubling... since one would figure Stafford knows what he has with Johnson, so in the preseason he should work more at throwing to the other WRs... guess we will know more in less than a week how things will pan out.
For this year, I'm not concerned with Broyles. Next year though, it will be an interesting scenario to figure out...
jurb26
Footballguy
Broyles is virtually no threat to Young this year or next. Young is vastly more talented IMO. He will moreover into the 2 spot and not relinquish it unless he get moved to another team than the Lions. Broyles is a slot guy.
I don't know what to think of this guy. Or, more to the point, I don't know what to think of his situation.
I DO believe he's the most talented, biggest upside #2 target on that team. I don't know if it'll play out that way.
I'm not sure he ends up taking the bulk of the #2 WR work away from Burleson.
I'm not sure Pettigrew doesn't end up as the ACTUAL #2 target in your average Stafford progression.
I'm not sure what's going to shake out in DET's backfield, and how many catches that guy is going to grab.
I'm not even close to comfortable figuring out how Broyles is going to fit into the picture.
The only thing I am fairly confident in is the fact that DET has one gigantic mouth to feed on that WR corps, and all Hell's forces combined aren't going to keep Stafford from forcing the rock to MTron. So what you've got is limited upside, with lots and lots and lots of question marks about everything after that. I think it's okay to swallow that risk when you're talking about a later-round TE flyer like Pettigrew. But for a WR, where if he isn't producing 900/7 or better he's probably hurting your team, I'd rather let someone else take the risk.
I could very well eat it on this one, and I know that. But I'll let somebody else profit from Young this year if it turns out there's profit to be had there. I like the prospects of guys like Malcom Floyd, Nate Washington, both OAK receivers, or Lance Moore better, all of whom are being drafted around the same time...even later picks like Greg Little or Danny Amendola give me a better sense of possibility...
I think of him as the NFC's Jon Baldwin. I like his talent, and I like what he MIGHT be able to do with it...but I'm willing to wait a year.
I DO believe he's the most talented, biggest upside #2 target on that team. I don't know if it'll play out that way.
I'm not sure he ends up taking the bulk of the #2 WR work away from Burleson.
I'm not sure Pettigrew doesn't end up as the ACTUAL #2 target in your average Stafford progression.
I'm not sure what's going to shake out in DET's backfield, and how many catches that guy is going to grab.
I'm not even close to comfortable figuring out how Broyles is going to fit into the picture.
The only thing I am fairly confident in is the fact that DET has one gigantic mouth to feed on that WR corps, and all Hell's forces combined aren't going to keep Stafford from forcing the rock to MTron. So what you've got is limited upside, with lots and lots and lots of question marks about everything after that. I think it's okay to swallow that risk when you're talking about a later-round TE flyer like Pettigrew. But for a WR, where if he isn't producing 900/7 or better he's probably hurting your team, I'd rather let someone else take the risk.
I could very well eat it on this one, and I know that. But I'll let somebody else profit from Young this year if it turns out there's profit to be had there. I like the prospects of guys like Malcom Floyd, Nate Washington, both OAK receivers, or Lance Moore better, all of whom are being drafted around the same time...even later picks like Greg Little or Danny Amendola give me a better sense of possibility...
I think of him as the NFC's Jon Baldwin. I like his talent, and I like what he MIGHT be able to do with it...but I'm willing to wait a year.
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You're not saying Pettigrew's a later round TE flyer, are you? He's easily a top 5-10 TE and has been the last couple of years. I agree with much of your post though about the uncertainty in Detroit. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Not late, just "later." IIRC, he's going around 100 overall right now. Maybe I have that wrong. I think of him as "later" because I see him right below that top-4 group, alongside Davis et al, and he's going after them.
I don't care what role he fills. How ####### awesome is it to have a guy like this on the team?
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
As a Lions Fan I like him, I just don't see him going for more that 700 yards this year. He NEEDED to workout and lose weight and I think he knows it. He's got some young guys ready to take his spot.
Like any young WR in the NFL Titus Young will have to prove it on the field. Sure he has had a great pre season but that is over. He will have to prove it when it counts, in a real game that matters. Getting off to a good start early in the year is the key. Game 1 will tell if Young is ready to break out.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My breakout WR of the year. I may be way off base here, but I expect Young to triple Burleson's numbers across the board.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In best ball I think this guy is a steal but if I had to start him every week in leagues where you fill out the weekly roster, that would be tough.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Probably because Burleson just may have already had his best season as a Lion.
For me, the reason to choose Titus Young over Nate Burleson is that Young has done more with his opportunities thus far. Last year, Young had 607 yards and 6 TDs from 85 targets. Burleson had 757 yards and 3 TDs from 110 targets.
If you give them about equal targets this year (say 100 apiece), then Young is far more valuable. His stats will go up while Burleson's will go down. I think Young earned more opportunities based on his performance last year. 100 targets in 2012 seems reasonable.
If you give them about equal targets this year (say 100 apiece), then Young is far more valuable. His stats will go up while Burleson's will go down. I think Young earned more opportunities based on his performance last year. 100 targets in 2012 seems reasonable.
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th3f00l
Footballguy
I think burleson lines up as a wide-out to draw the coverage away from Johnson. Young will do more work in the slot, making him more productive than burleson, because stafford will almost always toss it up for megatron if he goes deep. Young will act like a TE to drop the ball off to to move the chains, or turn a broken play into a short gain.
EBF
Footballguy
Deep threats tend to average more yards per target than possession receivers.
Doesn't necessarily make them better.
I don't see the opportunity for a breakout season with Calvin, Burleson, Broyles, Pettigrew, Scheffler, and possibly even Jahvid around.
This offense can support more than one productive WR, but that's a lot of mouths to feed. And you know Calvin is the boss in the red zone.
Doesn't necessarily make them better.
I don't see the opportunity for a breakout season with Calvin, Burleson, Broyles, Pettigrew, Scheffler, and possibly even Jahvid around.
This offense can support more than one productive WR, but that's a lot of mouths to feed. And you know Calvin is the boss in the red zone.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The bolded players are mostly irrelevant.
EBF
Footballguy
Burleson had 73 catches last year, but he's mostly irrevelant?Okay...
Broyles will vulture slot receptions and in the unlikely event that Best plays, he will become a big part of the passing game like he always has been.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I believe he's behind Logan on both.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My statement has nothing to do with last year's statistics. They mean nothing.
EBF
Footballguy
Burleson is still on the roster and he's listead ahead of Young on every depth chart I can find, so unless you know something that everyone else doesn't, I'd say his presence is still very relevant.
Young is a DeSean Jackson feast-or-famine type. He will hit some home runs, but he probably won't catch enough balls to be a reliable weekly starter. Burleson, Pettigrew, and possibly Broyles will vulture most of the short and intermediate stuff. I would only buy Young in best ball formats.
Young is a DeSean Jackson feast-or-famine type. He will hit some home runs, but he probably won't catch enough balls to be a reliable weekly starter. Burleson, Pettigrew, and possibly Broyles will vulture most of the short and intermediate stuff. I would only buy Young in best ball formats.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I see a dramatic decrease in Burleson's numbers because I see Young becoming a huge focus for Stafford. It's not me disrespecting Burleson as much as it is my anticipation of Young having a monster season. He is supremely talented and he'll never see a double-team as long as Calvin is on the field.Anyway, I respect your opinion but it's pointless to bicker about it. We'll see how it shakes out.
I am starting Young with confidence right out of the gate in week 1.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Here are a couple of nice articles about Titus. The first one is from Christoper Harris. The second is from the Detroit Free Press.
I wish I had seen every Lions play, so I could speak with absolute authority on this, but I haven't. I'm looking at whatever stats I can find to put together the puzzle on the Lions offense, and the results of my research are inconclusive. Is Young actually a deep threat? Is he a possession receiver / 3rd down type? Is he a red zone guy? What is he?According to ESPN's YAC stat tables, here's how the Lions receivers performed last year:Calvin Johnson -- 158 targets, 96 receptions, 1681 yards, 16 touchdowns, long of 73 yards, 32 20+ yard plays, 524 YACBrandon Pettigrew -- 126 targets, 83 receptions, 777 yards, 5 touchdowns, long of 27 yards, 7 20+ yard plays, 324 YACNate Burleson -- 110 targets, 73 receptions, 757 yards, 3 touchdowns, long of 47 yards, 7 20+ yard plays, 406 YACTitus Young -- 84 targets, 48 receptions, 607 yards, 6 touchdowns, long of 57 yards, 7 20+ yard plays, 129 YACSo Calvin had 32 plays of 20+ yards. Everyone else had exactly 7. Calvin's the deep threat, then, right? And everyone else is more of a possession type?Burleson had 406 yards after the catch, and Young only had 129. Does that mean that Burleson had more short routes that he turned into big plays? Or that Stafford hit him more in space with a chance to run? Was Young just falling down after he caught the ball? Or did he run more sideline routes?To me it looks like one big-play receiver (Calvin) and three possession / 3rd down / second read / outlet types. And that Young did more with his targets in his rookie year than Pettigrew or Burleson did.So is Young actually a deep threat guy? Is that what the low YAC means? That he ran deep, caught it, and fell down ... and that's how he got his seven 20+ yard plays? Whereas Burleson caught the short ball and ran further with it to get his seven 20+ yard plays?It's hard for me to construct the picture that doesn't hold Pettigrew, Burleson, and Young as a 3-way second fiddle to Calvin ... with Young being the best-per-target at it.
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jabarony
Footballguy
I know every player in every thread is going to have a breakout year, but I'd suggest tempering your expectations on this one. I really don't chime in on the 31 other teams. However, one thing I know is the Leos and Titus isn't going to have the uptick in stats many are predicting. He'll be a nice 2C to Burleson & Pettigrew, but that's about it. Lack of focus and lack of physicality will limit him. Plus, if Broyles continues his rehab pace, he'll chip away at Titus n Burleson's #'s as well
I'd go with 60/700/5. If I'm shortchanging him, it's probably not by much.
I'd go with 60/700/5. If I'm shortchanging him, it's probably not by much.
EBF
Footballguy
He's 5'11.3" 174 pounds, which makes him one of the thinnest receivers in the league. His game at Boise was mainly about getting behind the defense and hitting home runs. Can he also catch short passes? Sure, but a guy that size is going to have trouble beating the jam. It won't be such a big problem when he's operating out of the slot, but if he's not a full-time outside WR then it's hard for me to envision the breakout FF season. Especially when he'll be competing with so many other good players for targets.
I see Calvin as the #1 option, Burleson as the solid WR2 who can do a little bit of everything, Young as the deep threat from the slot and Broyles/Pettigrew as the secondary possession receivers. All of those guys are good and all of them will command targets if healthy. I would say Young is a lot more likely to produce like Mario Manningham than Victor Cruz. He is a similar type of player.
As for the YAC issue, I don't think any one type of receiver dominates that category. A lot of it depends on usage and being put in positions to catch the ball and run in space. I watched Young pretty extensively in college because he caught my eye early in his career at Boise. IMO he's a pure deep threat and not the kind of rugged possession WR who's going to catch 80+ balls in the NFL. DeSean Jackson with less speed. Mario Manningham. Those are the guys I would compare him to.
I see Calvin as the #1 option, Burleson as the solid WR2 who can do a little bit of everything, Young as the deep threat from the slot and Broyles/Pettigrew as the secondary possession receivers. All of those guys are good and all of them will command targets if healthy. I would say Young is a lot more likely to produce like Mario Manningham than Victor Cruz. He is a similar type of player.
As for the YAC issue, I don't think any one type of receiver dominates that category. A lot of it depends on usage and being put in positions to catch the ball and run in space. I watched Young pretty extensively in college because he caught my eye early in his career at Boise. IMO he's a pure deep threat and not the kind of rugged possession WR who's going to catch 80+ balls in the NFL. DeSean Jackson with less speed. Mario Manningham. Those are the guys I would compare him to.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
http://www.nflrush.com/story/highlights-pre-week-2-lions-27-vs-ravens-12
Right near the end at about the 1:10 mark, a good look at Young's TD @ Baltimore working from the slot.
Right near the end at about the 1:10 mark, a good look at Young's TD @ Baltimore working from the slot.
I think you know more about Titus Young than I do. Particularly his college play and usage.Here's what I saw during the preseason: 24 yard touchdown over the middle and breaking tackles
And what I saw last season: 2 yard touchdown crossing route from the slot
So I'm wondering if his game is developing and evolving. If he's more than just a burner to the Lions' coaching staff, then he could prove more valuable from a fantasy perspective also.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Lord knows I've been wrong before, but I am really, really excited about this kid's upside.
We already know what Burleson is. He's a capable WR with limited upside. We haven't seen anything close to Young's potential yet.
We already know what Burleson is. He's a capable WR with limited upside. We haven't seen anything close to Young's potential yet.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I like Young. Saw all of Detroit's games last year and Titus to me is the real deal. He is explosive and will get the 2nd most fantasy points out of the wide receivers.
Starting T Young this weekend with confidence.
Starting T Young this weekend with confidence.
JPeso
Footballguy
Titus is far superior to Burleson at this stage in both careers and Broyles can't hold his jock. I also think it's unfair to lump DeSean and Titus at the same type of player. Not to say Titus has more of an impact, but he's a different animal in terms of what he brings to the game. He's always shown more a propensity to go over the middle dating back to his college days. I know it's an easy comparison because of their size, but I find it lazy when I see it utilized.
He didn't say anything about their style of play. I find it lazy when a critic can't be bothered to read and understand the post he's criticizing.
JPeso
Footballguy
Huh?
jurb26
Footballguy
He said he is "D. Jackson with less speed." That was the comparission. Seems like he did in fact sight D. Jackson as the type of player Young is. I thought is was a rather clear corelation. Maybe you agree with that, maybe you don't. Seems pretty obvious that EBF feels Young and Jackson are very similar players though.
Shocker, a body catchI get why Titus is creeping up sleeper lists after Cruz and Brown's recent breakouts.I guess I'm on record as being a Young doubter. Undersized, not that physical, isn't a natural hands catcher IMO. I don't think he has Cruz's catching ability and I don't think he is dangerous in the open field like Antonio.Largely his value is a play action type deep threat, but why throw it deep to Young when you can toss it to Calvin?Broyles is the guy that I expect to work the slot long term in Detriot. I'll pass on Titus.
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