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TJ Housh to Seattle (1 Viewer)
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
I agree. i think they pressed so hard for TJ so they could free the pick to go OL, given Crabtree's foot issue.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
not really. The sa;ary cap took a bigboost b/c revenue. I think you'll see at the end of FA season this # isn't that bad.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
20-25 million for 3 years in the prime of a #1 recevie (hell he was yardage leader 2 yrs ago, no?) with cuttable 4/5 years without too much salary cap exposure (3/6 million at that point to gain 10/20 million in cap space) not so bad really.I mean CJ got 4 yrs 60 million. Now Haynsworth is woth 100 million. I think you all are thinking in 1997 dollars.
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
This is the reason that, as a 'hawks fan, I like the deal.
massraider
Footballguy
They take the full hit on any signing bonus that gets prorated. If he has roster bonuses of 5 mill this year and next, and a 5 mill SB, then they could cut him after two years, and the cap hit is only 3 mill.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
is there a difference? I though a SB was guaranteed money.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Matt Millen agrees with you.
massraider
Footballguy
But it isn't the only way to guarantee money. Teams can give a SB, which is guaranteed, and is prorated over the life of the deal.Then there are roster bonuses, which only count the year they are issued.I will also add that these numbers that are reported are skewed. They might be including his 2009 salary as guaranteed, even tho it technically isn't. They might also include a roster bonus next year, which is likely, but not guaranteed.DeAngelo Hall was reported to get 24 mill in guarantees. Raiders gave him 8 mill, and cut him.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Contract talk bores me. 
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
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Avery
Footballguy
I guess others like Housh a lot more then me. Regardless of the money they spent on him, I don't see him as a #1 WR.With so much WR talent, maybe they will go with an OL or something in round 1 and then a WR like Britt in round 2.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't know how much of this I agree with. He proved himself last year to be a pretty dependable target and at times he was the only target. He had a few drops but he was a rookie, see if it continues. Granted also that who knows how much the Mora WCO will resemble the Walrus Coast Offense but I just don't see why you'd have a standout receiving TE and then come up with ways to keep the ball out of his hands. While I don't expect him to lead the team again, keeping him in more doesn't seem like the smart way of going about things.Couch Potato said:Contract talk bores me.
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What if both Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe go before they pick? Do they take Oher?Big Dumb Ape said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Since Holmgren came to twon, Seattle has largely been a 1a/1b type of team. Sometimes even 1c. He won't be called upon to be a true WR1 like in other offenses.Avery said:Hipple said:I guess others like Housh a lot more then me. Regardless of the money they spent on him, I don't see him as a #1 WR.With so much WR talent, maybe they will go with an OL or something in round 1 and then a WR like Britt in round 2.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I hope not! Oher may make a great OL down the line and they could certainly try plugging him in at G right away but he's a late round 1 projection and I don't want to see them passing on top 5 talent for him.
Incogneto
Footballguy
I would still be ok with Andre Smith....but if this is the case, I would guess they go Curry, with a wildcard being a QB....Stafford or Sanchez.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Maybe they can go see if Andre Smith is hiding under his bed, drag him out and draft him.
Incogneto
Footballguy
I have seen Oher projected anywhere from 5th to 16th. taking him at #4 is NOT a stretch, but I still think I would take Andre Smith before him.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
$15mm guaranteed is actually a very reasonable deal for Housh. I had thought some team would go nuts and blow the bank on him, but this seems like a deal where, if he plays at his optimum level well into the contract, he'll make a boatload. But if he fades, the Seahawks haven't mortgaged later years by signing him.
Well done.
Well done.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
They saw this day coming. It wasn't a surprise. That's why they spent their 2nd and 3rd round picks on WRs last year.ETA -- they also have Coles coming in for a visit.I don't think they are looking at Crabtree. Just my opinion. Cincy is just the kind of team to ignore Andre Smith's red flags and draft OL at #6.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
They will need a hell of lot more than Andre Caldwell and Jerome I don't have a clue Simpson as their backup plan for when Ocho becomes a problem.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Chuck, you know I'm never wrong except most of the time. Trust me!
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Bruce, I have never doubted you all the time
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't see Ruskell pulling the trigger on A Smith after his disappearing act. To be honest, I haven't paid too much attention to mocks since the combine and the last few I saw had Oher in the back half. But I don't see Timmay rewarding Smith with top 4 money and I could easily live with Oher if his value is judged to be higher. Or if they are somehow able to drop back even a few slots, though I admit it doesn't seem a likely year for movement in the top picks.
kevjones22
Footballguy
Even without Crabtree I like the depth at WR, I still see 2-3 #2 WRs on the team with no real #1
Starting WR: Deion Branch (slot), Nate Burleson, TJ Housh
TE: John Carlson
Young WR: Ben Obomanu, Jordan Kent, Courtney Taylor
Starting WR: Deion Branch (slot), Nate Burleson, TJ Housh
TE: John Carlson
Young WR: Ben Obomanu, Jordan Kent, Courtney Taylor
weasel3515
Footballguy
Couch Potato said:Contract talk bores me.It's about what goes on ON the field for me.SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
They might need Carlson to block more since their O-line is not very good. Unfortunately, TJ and Branch are the same type of WR so the value of both will probably be hurt. Did Bobby Engram get cut yet?Whoo hoo. We have a legit, healthy WR now.
And this signing by no means rules out drafting Crabtree. Housh is still old and we still have a need to draft a WR for the future.
It lowers the percentage of us drafting him but not as much as some think IMO.
That said, I would like to trade down(obviously) or draft Smith or Monroe, and go WR in teh 2nd round like Robiskie.
And this signing by no means rules out drafting Crabtree. Housh is still old and we still have a need to draft a WR for the future.
It lowers the percentage of us drafting him but not as much as some think IMO.
That said, I would like to trade down(obviously) or draft Smith or Monroe, and go WR in teh 2nd round like Robiskie.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he's a UFA
Couch Potato
Footballguy
His contract is up and he's a UFA. No word on him visiting any teams that I've read. The latest I saw, from January 18 article:
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Um, negatory on Andre Smith. There was exactly one OL they didn't talk to at the combine. That was Andre.I could possibly see Oher at that spot. I'd kinda like to see someone that another team wants bad enough for us trade down a little and get an extra pick or two if they can't have either of the top 2 OT.-QG
zamboni
Footballguy
Based on early talk, it sure doesn't seem like new OC Greg Knapp intends to have Carlson stay in much:Couch Potato said:Contract talk bores me.
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/footbal...ives/161196.aspGranted, this was about a month ago, and well before the Housh signing, but still shows that Carlson should be a big part of the passing game.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Thanks Zamboni (and Mad Sweeney in post 64). I'm happy for you guys to help me be better edumacated about this. 
Enforcer
Footballguy
A bit much? Do you know the exact breakdown of the dollars each year? You have to know that the numbers the agent throws out are just numbers that will never come to fruition. Big money free agent NFL players simply don't play to the end of their contracts. If I'm wrong about this please correct me.
cstu
Footballguy
We've already discussed what the deal boils down to and it's around $8M a year for 3 years. Some people think that's still too much for what they are getting.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
We've been waiting since Paul Skansi hung it up.Glad to see Seattle get a good WR.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Totally disagree.Seattle has had garbage WRs for the past 1/2 decade.They finally landed a legit #1 WR who is durable and productive.Excellent signing for Seattle.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can envision Curry, Jason Smith, and Monroe being the top 3 picks.In which case I think the Seahawks should take Crabtree anyway with Stafford being the second option.
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seahawk 17
Footballguy
I think it's a good signing, money is not as bad as people are making it out to be. I think that Seattle now goes DL in the draft, especially with the loss of Rocky Berhnard(sp). No way Carlson stays in and blocks. He can be the TE that they wanted JeremyStevens to be when they drafted him #1. Housh, Branch,Burleson, Engram...that's a fairly stout 4WR set.I don't know how much of this I agree with. He proved himself last year to be a pretty dependable target and at times he was the only target. He had a few drops but he was a rookie, see if it continues. Granted also that who knows how much the Mora WCO will resemble the Walrus Coast Offense but I just don't see why you'd have a standout receiving TE and then come up with ways to keep the ball out of his hands. While I don't expect him to lead the team again, keeping him in more doesn't seem like the smart way of going about things.Couch Potato said:Contract talk bores me.
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Even with this signing I am still debating over whether or not I want Crabtree. Any time I think of Fitz or Boldin I am firmly in the Crabtree vein. One thing did occur to me though, drafting Crabtree would be a tacit admission (especially with TJ now in the fold) that Ruskell's grand plan of going with the young WRs after letting Djax go and not addressing the position at all last off season was a total failure. They'd end up getting rid of Courtney Taylor, Logan Payne, and probably Bumpu or Jordan Kent and possibly even Obamanu. All the guys that Timmay (as Ruskell is known in Seahawk circles) insisted could carry the load rather than acquire a WR last offseason. A lot of GMs don't like to make these kind of admissions. I think it would also no doubt be the end of KoRo and Engram in Seattle in which case they'd have to keep one or two of the "promising" guys above, maybe Obu and Kent or Bumpus.But who knows. I think if he's there and the choice is between him and Oher, then go BPA. And if Crabtree is there it's hard to imagine there'd be a better player available.
MG345
Footballguy
I hope they bring Engram back, but seeing how they won't be running many 4 WR sets, I wonder how much they will be willing to sign him for. Honestly, between Housh, Burleson, Branch and Carlson....where does Engram fit in? I wouldn't be upset if they cut Branch (or tried to trade him as unlikely as that would be) and resigned Engram to play slot. I think the chemistry that Engram and Hasselbeck is worth bringing him back.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wasn't there talk that the team believed that Locklear could move from the right to left side when Jones hangs it up? I would think that would preclude drafting Oher (who I really like BTW and think is worth the #4 pick).
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Carlson isn't anywhere near as athletic as Stevens was supposed to be, but he can be a reliable and credible TE threat. Unless Bobby swallows his pride and takes a backup role he'll most likely be gone. I'd love to see him there but he'd have a hard time getting on the field with those other three above him. Hass is going to have to learn to get along without him and that is my biggest on field concern. Hass plays with a lot less confidence when Bobby is out there. Maybe Matt can talk one of the sides into a more reasonable deal to keep him around for a little longer.I think it's a good signing, money is not as bad as people are making it out to be. I think that Seattle now goes DL in the draft, especially with the loss of Rocky Berhnard(sp). No way Carlson stays in and blocks. He can be the TE that they wanted JeremyStevens to be when they drafted him #1. Housh, Branch,Burleson, Engram...that's a fairly stout 4WR set.I don't know how much of this I agree with. He proved himself last year to be a pretty dependable target and at times he was the only target. He had a few drops but he was a rookie, see if it continues. Granted also that who knows how much the Mora WCO will resemble the Walrus Coast Offense but I just don't see why you'd have a standout receiving TE and then come up with ways to keep the ball out of his hands. While I don't expect him to lead the team again, keeping him in more doesn't seem like the smart way of going about things.Couch Potato said:Contract talk bores me.
It's about what goes on ON the field for me.
SEA needed a reliable possession guy since they are committing a lot more heavily to the run and ball control this year. Housh will give them a reliable guy who will know how to find the open spaces and move the chains. He'll once again have a high # of catches and a low YPC. Branch's numbers will suffer for it, but hey, if you can't stay healthy your team has to make moves like this. He'll likely move to the slot and Burleson will stay outside. Carlson's numbers will take a hit too, but I suspect that part of the thinking in getting TJ was to have Carlson available more than last year to stay in and block.
