To all the "experts" who doubted Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[RKMoney]

Anyone who watched last Sunday saw what many got to see during VY's college days, carried his team on his back and single handily won it for them.

How could any "expert" doubt this guy is still beyond me.

 

[Two Deep]

I'm certainly no expert but I can safely say 1 game does not make a career. If I were you I would sit back and take a wait and see approach because when he comes back and plays like #### your left looking silly.

 

[Eviloutsider]

I'n no expert nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn express but I do think Young will be a bust. Opinion, nothing more than that.

 

[mbuehner]

Strong words about a guy with a sub 50% completion percentage. If Young can run to pass the ball efficiently, he will be a great QB. If he runs to run the ball, he will put up pretty stats and lose a bunch of games. And probably flip off the crowd. Jury is still very much out.

 

[RKMoney]

I'm certainly no expert but I can safely say 1 game does not make a career. If I were you I would sit back and take a wait and see approach because when he comes back and plays like #### your left looking silly.

Sounds like a similar statement some people made about him in his early college career.

 

[RKMoney]

Strong words about a guy with a sub 50% completion percentage. If Young can run to pass the ball efficiently, he will be a great QB. If he runs to run the ball, he will put up pretty stats and lose a bunch of games. And probably flip off the crowd. Jury is still very much out.

sub 50% or not, the guy wins.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

 

[RKMoney]

I'n no expert nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn express but I do think Young will be a bust. Opinion, nothing more than that.

This site is based on them.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

We're seeing Young learn and grow as an NFL qb. The more he learns and adjusts to the faster game, the better he gets. It's just like what we saw at Texas, when he struggled early, but showed flashes of brilliance. Then he started to pick up the offense, and we saw what he could really become. The second half of his soph year, and his entire junior year, when he knew the offense better than anyone else on the field, he was unstoppable.

What he's doing is no surprise to people who watched him every week at Texas. The only ones who are surprised or still doubt he'll do everything it takes to be a great pro are those who didn't see his body of work from h.s. thru college.

His effect on the offense is immense. He's a consummate leader. You're already hearing the Titans players talk about how his leadership and people skills are impacting the team...and does anyone think it's a coincidence that the Titans are suddenly able to run the ball, while his former Texas mates are struggling in the same regard?

 

[redman]

He is definitely the best touch football player in the NFL.

 

[RKMoney]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score? The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly). So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Sounds similar to USC fans who said they messed up and not so much VY beating them. Facts are they couldn't stop him when it counted. Period.We haven't seen this big of a comeback from a rookie QB since Elway by the way.

 

[Banger]

If Kiwanuka doesn't fall asleep and makes the easy tackle we don't have this thread. VY is surprising me so far in that he's not been as awful as I thought he would be but he has a way to go before he's good. An interesting story though and he looks to have some upside.

 

[BigRed]

I'm certainly no expert but I can safely say 1 game does not make a career.

It does if you're a homer.

 

[Todem]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score? The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly). So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all around skills?Vince Young is going to be a special player.

 

[RKMoney]

VY has "it", you can't put your finger on it and while his % aren't going to blow anyone away, he flat out wins. What a special QB the Titans have and will get to enjoy for many years to come.

 

[aldelgreco]

He is definitely the best touch football player in the NFL.

You sound like Merrill Hodge, and I want to beat Merrill Hodge in the face with a brick.HE didn't mention anything about VYs superman status while only crediting the win to a NYG meltdown.I guess he credits the aggy, OK state and USC comeback wins his Sr. year in college as meltdowns as well.The sooner you haters shut up, the less stupid you will look in the long run, seriously.

 

[RKMoney]

Interested to hear if Joe has changed his mind about him since he wasn't very found of VY.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What he's doing is no surprise to people who watched him every week at Texas.His effect on the offense is immense. He's a consummate leader. You're already hearing the Titans players talk about how his leadership and people skills are impacting the team...and does anyone think it's a coincidence that the Titans are suddenly able to run the ball, while his former Texas mates are struggling in the same regard?

As someone who watched Vince throughout his college career, I cant agree more. His commitment and intensity just gets his teammates to believe in winning and play harder. He's 4-4 as a rookie starter for one of the worst teams in the league, and he's just scratching the surface of his potential. He does have a lot to work on (ball security, accuracy, not taking big hits all stand out as problem areas), but you can count on Vince to work as hard as humanly possible to improve his game.His career is going to be a fun one to watch.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Strong words about a guy with a sub 50% completion percentage. If Young can run to pass the ball efficiently, he will be a great QB. If he runs to run the ball, he will put up pretty stats and lose a bunch of games. And probably flip off the crowd. Jury is still very much out.

Have you seen how many drops the Titans receivers have produced? Besides, what stat is more imprtant than W's and L's? The guy has always shown unselfishness in that he'd take whatever the defense gave him and do whatever it takes to win. Bottom line.Flip off the crowd? If he was gonna do that, he woulda done it early on at Texas when people were calling for his move to wr.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

 

[RKMoney]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

VY has "it", you can't put your finger on it and while his % aren't going to blow anyone away, he flat out wins. What a special QB the Titans have and will get to enjoy for many years to come.

One big part of the "it" is making his teammates believe they will find a way to win. The last QB I can remember who had that strong an effect was Elway, and that's whose rookie comeback record Vince broke this weekend.

 

[mbuehner]

Vince Young and John Elway have no business being mentioned in the same breath at this point. Come on folks, it was 1 game against an injury riddled team desperately trying to lose.

Young has been basically playing like a rookie playsm but he certainly has shown real flashes of talent. But so did Jeff George (who had a very similar rookie season btw). Keep the band wagon idling for a few more weeks.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

VY has "it", you can't put your finger on it and while his % aren't going to blow anyone away, he flat out wins. What a special QB the Titans have and will get to enjoy for many years to come.

One big part of the "it" is making his teammates believe they will find a way to win. The last QB I can remember who had that strong an effect was Elway, and that's whose rookie comeback record Vince broke this weekend.

Exactly. Despite being behind, everyone on the Texas sideline during the Rose Bowl knew they were gonna win when they got the big 4th down stop...and every one of them, to a man, said they knew that because they knew there was no way that Young wouldn't score in that situation if they got him the ball.You can already see the same effect on the Titans' outlook.Screw stats. Gimme the W.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

 

[redman]

He is definitely the best touch football player in the NFL.

You sound like Merrill Hodge, and I want to beat Merrill Hodge in the face with a brick.HE didn't mention anything about VYs superman status while only crediting the win to a NYG meltdown.I guess he credits the aggy, OK state and USC comeback wins his Sr. year in college as meltdowns as well.The sooner you haters shut up, the less stupid you will look in the long run, seriously.

Overreact much? Is VY your baby's daddy or something? It's called , guy, but I won't bother you with it any more during your Messianic worship.

 

[RKMoney]

What he's doing is no surprise to people who watched him every week at Texas.His effect on the offense is immense. He's a consummate leader. You're already hearing the Titans players talk about how his leadership and people skills are impacting the team...and does anyone think it's a coincidence that the Titans are suddenly able to run the ball, while his former Texas mates are struggling in the same regard?

As someone who watched Vince throughout his college career, I cant agree more. His commitment and intensity just gets his teammates to believe in winning and play harder. He's 4-4 as a rookie starter for one of the worst teams in the league, and he's just scratching the surface of his potential. He does have a lot to work on (ball security, accuracy, not taking big hits all stand out as problem areas), but you can count on Vince to work as hard as humanly possible to improve his game.His career is going to be a fun one to watch.

I think anyone who followed him in his UT years saw the same thing so far with TEN. 4-4 record on an awful team is key here. He's a flat out winner and has the intangibles that you can't teach. You can have a good arm, etc. but fail at leadership, VY is a leader.

 

[Lord Lucan]

I thought Young had a really good game and was moving the ball with fluency, but it's worth remembering the Giants were wihout both stud pass-rushing defensive ends and both starting CBs.

 

[RKMoney]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

I've watched just about every game he's played in since college and yes I did watch it. I would suggest you do as well beat writer. Anyone who compares him to a scratch golfer better find another profession or at least follow his career before you comment or you only come off looking like a chump.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

Dude, in any big comeback win, there are big mistakes by the losing team that allowed the comeback.

 

[RKMoney]

Vince Young and John Elway have no business being mentioned in the same breath at this point. Come on folks, it was 1 game against an injury riddled team desperately trying to lose. Young has been basically playing like a rookie playsm but he certainly has shown real flashes of talent. But so did Jeff George (who had a very similar rookie season btw). Keep the band wagon idling for a few more weeks.

What I stated was correct though regarding rookie QB leading their team that far down in the 4th quarter.

 

[Todem]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

When you can bring a team back down 21-0 in the 4th quarter wih a OL as horrid as the Titans and no WR that is at a high level to speak of, and your a rookie to boot, then yes I see that as star quality. Tell me how would Big Ben do on this team? Super Bowl? Yeah right. When Young get's a good line in front of him and a high quality wide out look out. The sky is the limit for his skill set. It is obvious to me. Hey you have your opinion and you get to write about it. I respect your thought's that he may be better than average. I just disagree with you. And yes I did watch the game. And in Football you get many chances. In Golf you don't.

 

[TinHat]

I wasn't big on VY, but after watching the game, I think he might have "it."

 

[RKMoney]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

Dude, in any big comeback win, there are big mistakes by the losing team that allowed the comeback.

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

 

[RKMoney]

I wasn't big on VY, but after watching the game, I think he might have "it."

 

[KiddLattimer]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A GIANTS FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

UT fans need to calm down when someone thinks one of their own isn't "The Greatest Ever"

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anyone who watched last Sunday saw what many got to see during VY's college days, carried his team on his back and single handily won it for them.How could any "expert" doubt this guy is still beyond me.

I like VY, and I drafted him to one of my dynasty teams this past spring, but it's pretty silly to call people out after one good game.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Hey, whatever you say, Captain Hyperbole.Everyone bow down to the beat writer. BTW, there are boatloads of sportswriters who don't know squat about what they report on...but I'm sure you're not one of them.

 

[mbuehner]

In other news, Cedric Benson ran for 46 yards and a touch on 10 carries this week.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Hey, whatever you say, Captain Hyperbole.Everyone bow down to the beat writer. BTW, there are boatloads of sportswriters who don't know squat about what they report on...but I'm sure you're not one of them.

Thanks for the unbiased, well informed opinion.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Hey, whatever you say, Captain Hyperbole.Everyone bow down to the beat writer. BTW, there are boatloads of sportswriters who don't know squat about what they report on...but I'm sure you're not one of them.

Thanks for the unbiased, well informed opinion. Hook em horns!

Having watched 5 solid years of Vince Young at qb, I'd say my opinion is as well-formed as anybody's. Find one single factual inaccuracy in what I've posted here. Please.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Awesome. This thread will now be bumped after ever Tennessee game for the next 1-2 seasons. Looking forward to it.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Hey, whatever you say, Captain Hyperbole.Everyone bow down to the beat writer. BTW, there are boatloads of sportswriters who don't know squat about what they report on...but I'm sure you're not one of them.

Thanks for the unbiased, well informed opinion. Hook em horns!

Having watched 5 solid years of Vince Young at qb, I'd say my opinion is as well-formed as anybody's. Find one single factual inaccuracy in what I've posted here. Please.

You havent actually said anything informative yet.

 

[WhoDat]

Did you actually watch the game or are you basing it on a summary and a box score?

The Giants made 2 or 3 BONEHEAD plays on 4th down that would have ended drives, on plays where Young looked average at best. (Kiwi's inability to wrap up for fear of a flag and Frank Walker's late hit out of bounds)

Had the Giants not made those plays the drive would have ended for Tenn and his stats would have ended around 175yds passing and 50 rushing (roughly).

So the short answer is... Yes, Young made some nice plays when given a second chance, but his initial effort was average. Most quarterbacks in the NFL will succeed (or at least make a better play than the 1st) if given a second chance, and Young is no different.

So to answer your question about him "single handedly" winning the game... he had a lot of help from big blue's mistakes. I do think he will be a very good player someday, but lets not blow this win out of proportion and start carving his bust for Canton just yet.

Fantsy football is killing the sport.

Vince Young is a winner. Anyone watch the Rose Bowl last year? Need I say anymore about this guy's leadership and all apround skills?

Vince Young is going to be a special player.

No doubt and this thread will prove it.

Again, let me ask you... DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE GAME or see highlights and a box score?I could care less about VY's FANTASY value. I am a beat writer for a local newspaper and I cover the Giants. What I saw from Young was a better than average quarterback, for a rookie. He made some big plans when given a second chance but looked very average the rest of the time.

There is no discrediting Young for making the plays when he did, but the first time he had a chance to make them ... he did nothing to indicate "Super-Stardom" is ahead. If a WR gets open by 15 yards but he is open the cornerback fell down... does that make the WR a star in the making?

Think about it another way, if the average scratch golfer was given a second chance on every shot, he would be the next Tiger Woods.

I agee FF is killing the sport. One of the more astute observations on the boards in a long while.As far as Young, he is winning football games DESPITE his current and temporary deficiencies in the NFL. He is only going to get better in time.

I (blanking) hate the Longhorns with a passion...HATE THEM...but even I will admit Young is good...really good. No, we do not need to bronze a bust for Canton just yet but you have to admit he looks much better than anyone could have expected.

Even I thought...hoped... he would struggle...struggle to a point that you could finally laugh at him like some circus freakshow on Sundays...but it is not anywhere near that bad. Last time I checked the Titans have several retreads and developmental players at skill positions. Regardless of his completion percentage Young is currently working a small miracle with guys like B. Wade, Scaife, B. Jones and D. Bennett. That is not exactly Joiner, Winslow, Jefferson and Chandler.

And as far as watching the game goes I have known and seen Young play since high school. I even managed a few field level visits to those annual games up in Dallas. Young wins games. Period. Most recently, he tagged the Giants for 24 in the second half.

Causality is much like statisitics. Depending on who is looking at the cause or numbers they can see or attempt create whatever they want. If/then...completion percentages...whatever. Roll it around anyway you want but Young has made the Titans much more competitive on Sundays and he is winning games.

Oh, OU still got to the title game and M. Brown could have never pulled off what Stoops did this year. C'mon, I can't say that many nice things about a Longhorn without some sort of jab.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Awesome. This thread will now be bumped after ever Tennessee game for the next 1-2 seasons. Looking forward to it.

Only on games when VY does well. When he gets picked 3-4 times, it will be found on page 7

 

[PatsWillWin]

Awesome. This thread will now be bumped after ever Tennessee game for the next 1-2 seasons. Looking forward to it.

Only on games when VY does well. When he gets picked 3-4 times, it will be found on page 7

Negative. It will also be bumped when he plays like ####.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I think what is lost from my posts is that I do think Young will be a good (if not great) quarterback someday, but the initial post than no expert can doubt him based on one win is just stretching it a little too far for my taste.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone who watched last Sunday saw what many got to see during VY's college days, carried his team on his back and single handily won it for them.How could any "expert" doubt this guy is still beyond me.

I like VY, and I drafted him to one of my dynasty teams this past spring, but it's pretty silly to call people out after one good game.

I believe that there is a Joe T post in the Lee Evans thread that's proof of that.I will say that Young is fairly clutch. He doesn't choke under the pressure like Eli Manning or Rex Grossman. But at some point you just have to take into account his stats and they're just absolutely terrible right now. The Titans may be winning games, but it's not because Young is putting together complete games. They're winning games because they manage to keep the games close and make the right plays at the right time. Right now Young's biggest impact is as a leader IMO, not his play on the field. If he doesn't get better throwing the ball, defenses are going to play just to stop the run and contain Young to the pocket and the Titans will be in a lot of trouble. I watched most of the game Sunday and Young's accuracy was terrible for the most part. He must have underthrown severely at least a half dozen balls. Honestly, in a lot of ways he reminds me of Donovan McNabb when he first entered the league. If he can be 90% of what McNabb became he'll be a success. But McNabb didn't truly become a great QB until his accuracy improved.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Dude, he's a beat writer, you think they have an ounce of logic when their team gets their ### handed to them on a platter.

Some people would rather give reasons as to why someone didn't beat them and instead say it was totally their teams fault.

I am a beat writer, NOT A FAN. Its my job to report on football. YOU are a fan, but hey, I'm sure you're not biased being from Austin and all. I am telling you what I saw, and yes I do like Vince and his FUTURE in the league, but FUTURE is the key word.

So in the meantime, keep yelling "hook em horns" get started on Vince's HOF speech and next week when he throws for 125 yards, 1TD and 3 INTs, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Hey, whatever you say, Captain Hyperbole.Everyone bow down to the beat writer. BTW, there are boatloads of sportswriters who don't know squat about what they report on...but I'm sure you're not one of them.

Thanks for the unbiased, well informed opinion. Hook em horns!

Having watched 5 solid years of Vince Young at qb, I'd say my opinion is as well-formed as anybody's. Find one single factual inaccuracy in what I've posted here. Please.

Anyone who watched last Sunday saw what many got to see during VY's college days, carried his team on his back and single handily won it for them.

How could any "expert" doubt this guy is still beyond me.

I like VY, and I drafted him to one of my dynasty teams this past spring, but it's pretty silly to call people out after one good game.

I believe that there is a Joe T post in the Lee Evans thread that's proof of that.I will say that Young is fairly clutch. He doesn't choke under the pressure like Eli Manning or Rex Grossman.

But at some point you just have to take into account his stats and they're just absolutely terrible right now. The Titans may be winning games, but it's not because Young is putting together complete games. They're winning games because they manage to keep the games close and make the right plays at the right time.

Right now Young's biggest impact is as a leader IMO, not his play on the field.

If he doesn't get better throwing the ball, defenses are going to play just to stop the run and contain Young to the pocket and the Titans will be in a lot of trouble.

I watched most of the game Sunday and Young's accuracy was terrible for the most part. He must have underthrown severely at least a half dozen balls.

Honestly, in a lot of ways he reminds me of Donovan McNabb when he first entered the league. If he can be 90% of what McNabb became he'll be a success. But McNabb didn't truly become a great QB until his accuracy improved.

Well saidFunny how no one here is pumping up Jake Plummer for just winning, in spite of poor stats.

 

[Banger]

I don't watch a lot Titans games but I do know that they probably have one of the worst backfields in the game, the worst set of wr's, average at best TE's and one of the worst defenses in the game. Considering they have won 4 games with a rookie QB (and were 1 minute away from beating the Ravens) is impressive regardless of the circumstances. Also kudo's to Fisher one of the most under-rated coach's in the league IMO.