To those who question Leinarts Deep Accuracy? (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...y-Fitzgerald-TD

Looks pretty good to me. ...there are other highlights to show you but I'm about to run to work; and this one is the most impressive. Considering it's in snowy conditions, Leinart hadn't played much at all that year, and that he hits Fitzgerald directly in stride. It wouldn't have matter what WR you put there. Perfect pass.

 

[pq9090]

yea, that should clear all doubts

 

[Matt Waldman]

FYI - That's a pass that covered approximately 36 yards in the air from where he released it to where Fitzgerald caught in stride. It was a nice pass, but here are some things I still question:

1. Leinart threw the ball with a perfect pocket around him. I have not seen him throw the ball on the move and complete a pass over 35 yards with strong accuracy. This takes elite arm strength. This video only shows him completing a pass that take average pro QB arm strength that every QB on an NFL depth chart can throw.

2. This pass was a demonstration of good timing and anticipation off a quick read with good protection. Can he buy time under pressure, reset his feet, and still make this throw of that distance with accuracy?

3. Can he throw a ball with accuracy over 40 yards on a consistent basis?

4. This was a nice pass in snowy conditions, but the fact Fitzgerald seemed to have a huge lead over two DBs on a snowy field looked like a blown coverage. There's also a strong possibility both defenders were at a big disadvantage due to the snow.

It's a nice pass, but I think it raises more questions than puts them to rest.

 

[Longhorn daddy]

FYI - That's a pass that covered approximately 36 yards in the air from where he released it to where Fitzgerald caught in stride. It was a nice pass, but here are some things I still question: 1. Leinart threw the ball with a perfect pocket around him. I have not seen him throw the ball on the move and complete a pass over 35 yards with strong accuracy. This takes elite arm strength. This video only shows him completing a pass that take average pro QB arm strength that every QB on an NFL depth chart can throw. 2. This pass was a demonstration of good timing and anticipation off a quick read with good protection. Can he buy time under pressure, reset his feet, and still make this throw of that distance with accuracy? 3. Can he throw a ball with accuracy over 40 yards on a consistent basis? 4. This was a nice pass in snowy conditions, but the fact Fitzgerald seemed to have a huge lead over two DBs on a snowy field looked like a blown coverage. There's also a strong possibility both defenders were at a big disadvantage due to the snow. It's a nice pass, but I think it raises more questions than puts them to rest.

From a long time poster at your old website, you are the man dude, I respect your opinion above all others fantasy. thanks, I have had those same thought but couldn't spell them out like that.Nice posting.

 

[KCC]

yea, that should clear all doubts

 

[bostonfred]

FYI - That's a pass that covered approximately 36 yards in the air from where he released it to where Fitzgerald caught in stride. It was a nice pass, but here are some things I still question: 1. Leinart threw the ball with a perfect pocket around him. I have not seen him throw the ball on the move and complete a pass over 35 yards with strong accuracy. This takes elite arm strength. This video only shows him completing a pass that take average pro QB arm strength that every QB on an NFL depth chart can throw. 2. This pass was a demonstration of good timing and anticipation off a quick read with good protection. Can he buy time under pressure, reset his feet, and still make this throw of that distance with accuracy? 3. Can he throw a ball with accuracy over 40 yards on a consistent basis? 4. This was a nice pass in snowy conditions, but the fact Fitzgerald seemed to have a huge lead over two DBs on a snowy field looked like a blown coverage. There's also a strong possibility both defenders were at a big disadvantage due to the snow. It's a nice pass, but I think it raises more questions than puts them to rest.

1. I think that's fair. It was a nice dropback pass. That's all it really was. Nothing special, but it's worth noting that he can do it. It doesn't really raise huge questions - there aren't many QBs who can throw the ball more than 35 yards with strong accuracy in the cold with pressure on them. 2. One good read that he made was to throw the ball to Fitz' outside shoulder on a sideline route because the defender had the inside. It's not like he just threw it up there, he led Fitzgerald deep, hit him in stride, and hit him high enough that the defender couldn't get to it. 3. Consistent basis? How many passes does the average NFL QB take per year that travel over 40 yards in the air? 4. I read your post before I saw the video and I expected blizzard conditions. Fitzgerald beat the d-backs who were playing a little tighter than they should have been because they didn't think Leinart would throw it deep. And the good news for Leinart is that defenses will continue to play Fitzgerald that way until Leinart consistently beats them with it.

 

[Genghis Khan]

FYI - That's a pass that covered approximately 36 yards in the air from where he released it to where Fitzgerald caught in stride. It was a nice pass, but here are some things I still question:

1. Leinart threw the ball with a perfect pocket around him. I have not seen him throw the ball on the move and complete a pass over 35 yards with strong accuracy. This takes elite arm strength. This video only shows him completing a pass that take average pro QB arm strength that every QB on an NFL depth chart can throw.

2. This pass was a demonstration of good timing and anticipation off a quick read with good protection. Can he buy time under pressure, reset his feet, and still make this throw of that distance with accuracy?

3. Can he throw a ball with accuracy over 40 yards on a consistent basis?

4. This was a nice pass in snowy conditions, but the fact Fitzgerald seemed to have a huge lead over two DBs on a snowy field looked like a blown coverage. There's also a strong possibility both defenders were at a big disadvantage due to the snow.

It's a nice pass, but I think it raises more questions than puts them to rest.

1. I think that's fair. It was a nice dropback pass. That's all it really was. Nothing special, but it's worth noting that he can do it. It doesn't really raise huge questions - there aren't many QBs who can throw the ball more than 35 yards with strong accuracy in the cold with pressure on them. 2. One good read that he made was to throw the ball to Fitz' outside shoulder on a sideline route because the defender had the inside. It's not like he just threw it up there, he led Fitzgerald deep, hit him in stride, and hit him high enough that the defender couldn't get to it.

3. Consistent basis? How many passes does the average NFL QB take per year that travel over 40 yards in the air?

4. I read your post before I saw the video and I expected blizzard conditions. Fitzgerald beat the d-backs who were playing a little tighter than they should have been because they didn't think Leinart would throw it deep. And the good news for Leinart is that defenses will continue to play Fitzgerald that way until Leinart consistently beats them with it.

Or the bad news.

 

[Tau837]

For his career, Leinart is 10/27 for 399 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 interception on passes thrown 31+ yards in the air. (Data from ESPN.) That's actually pretty good - 103.8 QB rating. However, he is only 2/9 for 40 yards, 0 TDs, 0 interceptions since 2006, so it's been awhile. It will be interesting to see how he performs on the field this season. I am not a believer.

 

[bostonfred]

For his career, Leinart is 10/27 for 399 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 interception on passes thrown 31+ yards in the air. (Data from ESPN.) That's actually pretty good - 103.8 QB rating. However, he is only 2/9 for 40 yards, 0 TDs, 0 interceptions since 2006, so it's been awhile. It will be interesting to see how he performs on the field this season. I am not a believer.

Another way of saying that is that he was 8/18 for 359 yards and 2 TDs on long pass attempts in 12 games started his rookie year, which is even more impressive. But I'm sure people will focus on what he did while coming in late in games, playing with a shoulder injury his sophomore season, or on short notice when Warner decides on game day that his neck hurt and he wouldn't be able to play even though he'd said he was going to all week. That fits their preconceived negativity about Leinart much better. BTW, is there any stat showing how many of those 9 passes since 2006 were hail mary bombs?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Pennington threw a 50 yarder every now and again... and hell I can walk up to the lanes and land a strike

 

[Tau837]

For his career, Leinart is 10/27 for 399 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 interception on passes thrown 31+ yards in the air. (Data from ESPN.) That's actually pretty good - 103.8 QB rating. However, he is only 2/9 for 40 yards, 0 TDs, 0 interceptions since 2006, so it's been awhile. It will be interesting to see how he performs on the field this season. I am not a believer.

Another way of saying that is that he was 8/18 for 359 yards and 2 TDs on long pass attempts in 12 games started his rookie year, which is even more impressive.

Well, if you want to focus on breaking down his rookie year, you should probably look at the whole pictureasses of up to 30 yards: 206/359 (57.4%), 2188 yards (6.1 ypa), 9 TDs, 11 interceptions, 70.9 QB ratingPasses of 31+ yards: 8/18 (44.4%), 359 yards (19.9 ypa), 2 TDs, 1 interception, 136.1 QB ratingSure, that is a nice performance on those 18 attempts of 31+ yards. But it is a horrid performance on all of his other passes, which collectively represented 95% of his rookie season performance.

But I'm sure people will focus on what he did while coming in late in games, playing with a shoulder injury his sophomore season, or on short notice when Warner decides on game day that his neck hurt and he wouldn't be able to play even though he'd said he was going to all week. That fits their preconceived negativity about Leinart much better. BTW, is there any stat showing how many of those 9 passes since 2006 were hail mary bombs?

Nice shot at Warner. You are welcome to go through the play by play to count hail marys.

 

[bostonfred]

For his career, Leinart is 10/27 for 399 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 interception on passes thrown 31+ yards in the air. (Data from ESPN.) That's actually pretty good - 103.8 QB rating. However, he is only 2/9 for 40 yards, 0 TDs, 0 interceptions since 2006, so it's been awhile. It will be interesting to see how he performs on the field this season. I am not a believer.

Another way of saying that is that he was 8/18 for 359 yards and 2 TDs on long pass attempts in 12 games started his rookie year, which is even more impressive.

Well, if you want to focus on breaking down his rookie year, you should probably look at the whole pictureasses of up to 30 yards: 206/359 (57.4%), 2188 yards (6.1 ypa), 9 TDs, 11 interceptions, 70.9 QB ratingPasses of 31+ yards: 8/18 (44.4%), 359 yards (19.9 ypa), 2 TDs, 1 interception, 136.1 QB ratingSure, that is a nice performance on those 18 attempts of 31+ yards. But it is a horrid performance on all of his other passes, which collectively represented 95% of his rookie season performance.

But I'm sure people will focus on what he did while coming in late in games, playing with a shoulder injury his sophomore season, or on short notice when Warner decides on game day that his neck hurt and he wouldn't be able to play even though he'd said he was going to all week. That fits their preconceived negativity about Leinart much better. BTW, is there any stat showing how many of those 9 passes since 2006 were hail mary bombs?

Nice shot at Warner. You are welcome to go through the play by play to count hail marys.

That probably sounded harsher than I meant it, but I'm not taking a shot at Warner. I like Warner, and I think I had traded him away in any league where I owned him by then so I don't have any pent up resentment or anything. But that's what happened. And it's an important detail to point t out, because Warner was supposed to start all week, which means Leinart hasn't had a game where he prepared to be the starter since his sophomore season, in 2007, where his starts included San Francisco, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Seattle when they were the 6th ranked D in the league, and the game that he hurt his shoulder and went out for the season. Those are his only starts since his rookie season, which makes the "he's gotten worse at being a quarterback" theory seem less likely to me than the "Warner took over because he's a hall of famer and it let Leinart learn for a few more years" theory. As for the deep balls, I'm not going to go through the play by plays, and I don't expect you to. But when we're comparing his numbers in mop up duty to his numbers during starts, it makes sense to consider the situation he was probably throwing those balls in, especially with a single digit sample size. We're looking at a very skewed sample size when we look at Leinart's numbers after his rookie year. I do think it's worth noting that he looked really good at the deep ball, because people assme it's the thing he's worst at. I'd think that 8 for 18 is above average compared to the league average, but I can't say for sure. His QB rating for those plays will generally be skewed since QB rating favors the numbers that long passes generate. The QB rating and stats when you exclude his best plays are no more meaningful than looking at Chris Johnson's YPC except his longest runs - it gives you a rough idea of what his other plays look like, but you can't expect them to be on par with the rest of the league's numbers. It's also possible that his numbers are artificially high on his long passes because teams are giving it to him and selling out on the short pass. Similarly, his numbers may be artifically low on short passes for the same reason. Especially during a rookie year when he likely telegraphed things and played more situational football than an experienced QB.