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Tom Brady looking like a 6th Rd Draft Pick (1 Viewer)

pizzatyme said:
bostonfred said:
CalBear said:
bostonfred said:
If you want to talk about something getting swept under the rug by the national media, though, Manning's horrendous performance in his one championship season, when he threw 7 INTs against 3 TDs, and was bailed out again and again by his defense - that was swept under the rug. Because it doesn't fit the storyline that people want for Manning. I can understand that - and he's certainly earned a pass in many respects, as you say. But let's not act like Brady's been the media darling and Manning has never made a mistake that the media didn't exaggerate.
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Why is Manning at all relevant to how badly Brady is sucking?
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Because the guy who started this thread is a Colts fan and a Manning fan who has quieted down in the face of my factual arguments that indisputably prove that Brady is the best QB to ever live.
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This post is hilarious! You have facts to prove that Brady is the best QB to ever live? I'm guessing there are a few who will not agree with you.
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Indisputable doesn't mean that nobody will try to dispute it, just that nobody will successfully do so.

 
bostonfred said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Brady has earned a pass in many respects, but if Peyton put up a 4th quarter like that in one of those games it would be the talk of the media for weeks. For Brady it was never even brought up.
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You've answered your own point by simultaneously bringing it up and conceding that he has earned a pass in many respects. It was certainly brought up, in New England and in the national media. People were talking about whether 3 wins in 5 Superbowls is as impressive as 3 wins in 4 Superbowls, there was speculation that Welker was shipped out of town because he couldn't catch a first down pass when they needed him most - the fallout has been substantial. As it should be. It's also ameliorated by his Superbowl success. As it should be. Just like you said, in fact.If you want to talk about something getting swept under the rug by the national media, though, Manning's horrendous performance in his one championship season, when he threw 7 INTs against 3 TDs, and was bailed out again and again by his defense - that was swept under the rug. Because it doesn't fit the storyline that people want for Manning. I can understand that - and he's certainly earned a pass in many respects, as you say. But let's not act like Brady's been the media darling and Manning has never made a mistake that the media didn't exaggerate.
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I don't live in New England and I can't recall ever hearing anything in the media about the 4th quarter of those games other than Wes Welker "dropping" a pass. Forget Brady's late game interception on a drive that would have sewn up the Super Bowl, and forget Brady's staggeringly bad 4th quarter numbers. Neither were mentioned and even here on FBG where everyone follows football very closely people were surprised to see those numbers when I posted them a few weeks later.

Meanwhile, if Peyton had put those numbers up you can bet than my grandmother living in England who occasionally flips on ESPN to watch soccer highlights would be able to recite those numbers out of memory from having them beaten into her head by the analysts.

 
Bostonfred is grasping for straws. Sorry bud, Brady will never win another superbowl. Now that he can no longer get away with cheating he is about on the same level as gabbert.

 
bostonfred said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Brady has earned a pass in many respects, but if Peyton put up a 4th quarter like that in one of those games it would be the talk of the media for weeks. For Brady it was never even brought up.
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You've answered your own point by simultaneously bringing it up and conceding that he has earned a pass in many respects. It was certainly brought up, in New England and in the national media. People were talking about whether 3 wins in 5 Superbowls is as impressive as 3 wins in 4 Superbowls, there was speculation that Welker was shipped out of town because he couldn't catch a first down pass when they needed him most - the fallout has been substantial. As it should be. It's also ameliorated by his Superbowl success. As it should be. Just like you said, in fact.If you want to talk about something getting swept under the rug by the national media, though, Manning's horrendous performance in his one championship season, when he threw 7 INTs against 3 TDs, and was bailed out again and again by his defense - that was swept under the rug. Because it doesn't fit the storyline that people want for Manning. I can understand that - and he's certainly earned a pass in many respects, as you say. But let's not act like Brady's been the media darling and Manning has never made a mistake that the media didn't exaggerate.
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that's it

no more papa john's for you

you are cut off!

 
Tom Brady should definitely be proud of going against a rookie, seeing his defense force four turnovers, and managing to win by only 3 at home against a team most had projected to be a bottom 5 NFL team this year. :lol:

 
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2-0 is what counts.

Another interesting fact:

The first QB drafted in the 2000 draft was Chad Pennington by the NY Jets.

 
I do agree that many times people like to dole out credit when someone plays badly but will pimp them profusely for all eternity as being the driving force to victory.

No one remembers Peyton going 15-30 for 170 yards with no TDs and 2 picks to beat BAL on the way to his one SB victory. People forget Big Ben's 9-21 for 123 yard performance in the SB with no TD and 2 picks. Or his 10-19 for 133 yards and 0 TD with 2 INTs game against the Jets. And those are QB performances on Super Bowl runs.

And I'm not sure I fully buy the concept that Joe Montana was the greatest of all time because he was undefeated in 4 Super Bowls. No doubt he played out of his mind in those games. But by extension it means he DID NOT play in or win the SB in 11 other seasons. Some of those seasons ended with Joe completing 8 passes for 98 yards with 0 TD and 2 INTs or the following year going 12 for 26 for 109 yards with 0 TD and a pick. (He may be the best QB ever, I just don't think he would get it based only on SB performances.)

It's still a team game, and no matter how you slice it, one guy is not going to win a SB all by himself when teams play 19 or 20 games in a season.

 
It's ####### absurd that this thread has 62 replies already... I ####### HATE THE PATS AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, but this is just plain ridiculousness and stupid!!!

Guy is still near the top of his game. This thread should not be responded to by anyone, regardless how much you hate the Pats.

 
Guys if I lived outside of New England I'd be jealous of how incredible the Patriots franchise has been for a decade too. All that matters at the end of the day is wins..just saying ;) Keep it classy kids.

 
Right, wins is all that matters....that is superbowl wins. How many superbowl wins do the patriots have after spygate?

 
This is exactly what people are talking about with the decline of the Shark Pool. This should have been locked/deleted after about post 2.

Pizzatyme joins Phenix on the list of people I've blocked.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
It's ####### absurd that this thread has 62 replies already... I ####### HATE THE PATS AS MUCH AS THE NEXT GUY, but this is just plain ridiculousness and stupid!!!

Guy is still near the top of his game. This thread should not be responded to by anyone, regardless how much you hate the Pats.
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Relax! Just having some fun here. Brady is a great QB but he has had a rough go of it thus far and has looked average.

I'm sure he will look better once he has players to help him.

 
People get too uptight in here IMO. WTH else is there to talk about today besides last night's game and Vic Ballard's injury?

Some of you take this way too seriously!

If you don't like it, don't open the thread. The title was pretty clear!

 
Ghost Rider said:
Tom Brady should definitely be proud of going against a rookie, seeing his defense force four turnovers, and managing to win by only 3 at home against a team most had projected to be a bottom 5 NFL team this year. :lol:
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So how bad is Tony Romo and the Cowboys? they had 6 turnovers handed to them, two of them returned for touchdowns and still only won by 6

 
I admit I don't know everything about Spygate so I have some questions.

I thought Spygate was only from 2000 - 2002 and part of 2007

I also thought I heard that the Patriots were stealing signals during the game too, I think it was Hines Ward complaining about it, is that illegal?

Why would it be illegal, if a team gives away their signals in game, and another team is smart enough to catch on isn't that the opponents fault?

Please don't kill me on this, I am not trolling.

Lastly, can we stop with the how many titles have they won since Spygate, they still have been to a couple of Super Bowls and AFC title games, it isn't like they fell off the map.

 
CalBear said:
bostonfred said:
If you want to talk about something getting swept under the rug by the national media, though, Manning's horrendous performance in his one championship season, when he threw 7 INTs against 3 TDs, and was bailed out again and again by his defense - that was swept under the rug. Because it doesn't fit the storyline that people want for Manning. I can understand that - and he's certainly earned a pass in many respects, as you say. But let's not act like Brady's been the media darling and Manning has never made a mistake that the media didn't exaggerate.
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Why is Manning at all relevant to how badly Brady is sucking?
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Because you're being fished by third tier shtick.
 
weebs said:
Right, wins is all that matters....that is superbowl wins. How many superbowl wins do the patriots have after spygate?
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How many Super Bowl wins do the Pats have, not counting the years when they won the Super Bowl? That's right, none!

 
bostonfred said:
Cementing his status as the greatest quarterback in nfl history with an undefeated start under adversity that his contemporaries have never faced. Give him welker and moss for one year - one offseason to get to know both of them, after they looked like scrubs the year before - and he sets an nfl record for tds and an nfl record for offensive production. Give him just one guy starter caliber wideout - a guy who would be the second or third receiver on his contemporaries' teams - and he surpasses marinos yardage mark. Give him one borderline starter, troy brown, and he gets the guy 100 receptions and take them to the superbowl. Give him nothing - his best receiver was on the roster bubble and made the roster as a punt returner - and he still leads them to a 2 and 0 start. The greatest to ever play the game, period.
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you are in la la land bro if your gonna say he is greatest ever. I think Montana,Elway,Favre, Marino,Brees,Pmanning all have something to say to that NE slappy... your on cloud nine I wouldn't even think he is top 3 all time moron.

 
bostonfred said:
The patriots have the best record in the nfl right now. Teams like san francisco and the broncos need to win this weekend to keep pace. Why? Is it because the defense has allowed the most rushing yards in the nfl? Certainly not. Is it ridley, who was benched for fumbling twice and responded with an anemic 40 yard performance and a bobbled pass that was nearly turned over again? I doubt it. Is it his kicker, who missed a crucial field goal last night in a game decided by 3 points? Nope. Is it the receivers, who have dropped passes, run the wrong routes, failed to get both feet in bounds, bobbled touchdown catches, and gotten hurt? Not hardly.

Its a guy named Tom motherloving brady - the guy who took totally different teams to five different superbowls - the guy with the nfl touchdwon and interception records - the guy who has helped three different targets set nfl records of their own - the guy who has 50 straight games with a touchdown pass, just four behind drew brees' record of 54 - you know, that tom brady? The greatest to ever play the game, bar none?

This year is just another seemingly insurmountable mountain for him to climb. Remember that you were shovelling dirt on his grave yet again at the start of the season when, once again, he defies every so called expert's prognostications and once again takes this team further than anyone expected. I'm sure its exciting to root for guys who are given every opportunity to succeed, who leave a rebuilding team for a team with demaryius and decker and then add another stud receiver in the offense, or who can dump greg jennings and still have jordy, cobb, finley, and leave a guy who caught 14 tds last year on the bench while their new stud running back scores a td instead, and so on. What brady does each year is so much more indicative of his individual greatness, his ability to lead a team to victory, than any of his contemporaries. What he showed last night - and not for the first time in his career - was that he literally does not need a starting caliber receiver to win a game. Amazing.
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what has he won after spygate.. Bill Belicheat is a loser and a cheater and Brady is a system guy... Not the greatest ever you need to quit saying nonsense... Spygate

 
BF is a NE slappy and Brady is a twink homo spygate systematic a## clown... Don't be scared guys don't give that fool credence or anything to go on. Brady isn't the greatest of all time idiot.. I can name 5 guys better right here....

Montana

Unitas

Elway

Manning

Favre

Brees

Rodgers (When all said and done

 
he is very good just not greatest ever or 2nd best or 3rd best... Know his place in history as a little cheating whiny brat that played in a great system.. top 12 qb of all time Is as high as I go...

 
T with T said:
BF is a NE slappy and Brady is a twink homo spygate systematic a## clown... Don't be scared guys don't give that fool credence or anything to go on. Brady isn't the greatest of all time idiot.. I can name 5 guys better right here....

Montana

Unitas

Elway

Manning

Favre

Brees

Rodgers (When all said and done
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Post of the Year material here.

 
bostonfred said:
CalBear said:
bostonfred said:
If you want to talk about something getting swept under the rug by the national media, though, Manning's horrendous performance in his one championship season, when he threw 7 INTs against 3 TDs, and was bailed out again and again by his defense - that was swept under the rug. Because it doesn't fit the storyline that people want for Manning. I can understand that - and he's certainly earned a pass in many respects, as you say. But let's not act like Brady's been the media darling and Manning has never made a mistake that the media didn't exaggerate.
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Why is Manning at all relevant to how badly Brady is sucking?
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Because the guy who started this thread is a Colts fan and a Manning fan who has quieted down in the face of my factual arguments that indisputably prove that Brady is the best QB to ever live.
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You are zealous in your efforts to show Brady has been better than Manning, even when that isn't the subject of discussion. But you've never shown that he has been better than Montana or Unitas were. IMO those are the top two QBs of all time, and everyone else (to date) is competing for third place in the rankings.

 
Brady could have went down as the greatest of all time but his team lost 2 SBs when he was the QB. He is 3-5, solid but those two losses are big cracks in the discussion of best of all time.

Peyton Manning had chances to go down as the greatest of all time. However, his poor playoff performances after many great regular seasons hurt his reputation. Even if you get past that, he then lost in the SB when Indy was a solid favorite to win.

Both players will go down as two of the greatest Qbs of all time and the two best of their era. You will have people discussing these two against each other for eternity.

Not everything can be tested and measured and put neatly on a spreadsheet for all to see. Many players played in different eras, under different NFL rules effecting how defenses and offenses can compete against each other.

Nobody has ever played better under pressure and as smoothly as Joe Montana. He was perfect in the SB, he didn't have that let down, he wouldn't let his team lose.

 
yes Montana and Unitas are the best 2 without question.... brady and manning and the rest come after sorry NE homer fan.

 
Montana and Unitas???

Bostonfred has FACTS that PROVE Brady is the " best QB to have ever lived". Just ask him. :rolleyes:

 
for my money brady will go down as one of the 2 best QBs right there with manning, and it'll probably be dealer's choice

followed closely by elway

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Brady could have went down as the greatest of all time but his team lost 2 SBs when he was the QB. He is 3-5, solid but those two losses are big cracks in the discussion of best of all time.

Peyton Manning had chances to go down as the greatest of all time. However, his poor playoff performances after many great regular seasons hurt his reputation. Even if you get past that, he then lost in the SB when Indy was a solid favorite to win.

Both players will go down as two of the greatest Qbs of all time and the two best of their era. You will have people discussing these two against each other for eternity.

Not everything can be tested and measured and put neatly on a spreadsheet for all to see. Many players played in different eras, under different NFL rules effecting how defenses and offenses can compete against each other.

Nobody has ever played better under pressure and as smoothly as Joe Montana. He was perfect in the SB, he didn't have that let down, he wouldn't let his team lose.
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I don't get into the "Best QB ever" debates so that's not what this is, but people don't seem to realize that Brady walked off the field with 2 minutes or less on the clock with the lead in both Super Bowl losses. He gets blamed for his defense, and crazy helmet catches when the facts are he could just as easily been 5-0 in the Super Bowl.

I also think Marino is one of the best ever, and don't think his SB record, or lack thereof, should play a role in that decision.

 
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