Tom Brady VS the Jets Who is considering sitting him? (1 Viewer)

[SYMPHONY X]

ASYSAlways Start Your Studs

Try telling that to the Greene and Turner owners..the 1st week proved that ASYS is an old and tired theory. Gotta be willing to change it up a bit if you have bench players with decent matchups when your studs are playing against top-5 defenses.

Just because they might have been your first and second picks at the position doesn't make them studs. Greene and Turner were promising RB1 prospects but have hardly achieved 'stud' status yet, if they ever do. There are only a handful of players at each position that rate 'stud' status. Brady is one of them at QB. Certainly he may have an off week, but if you play the 'bench him based on matchup' game you are going to lose more often than not.

Yeah, you make a good point here about Greene and Turner, but just insert an established stud into the equation, and I believe that you need to at least consider benching them versus a top D, if you have other viable options. Many people probably didn't bench Chris Johnson last year versus the Steelers D, and I don't blame them, but he was held to like 62 yards rushing and no TD's. He will probably have a better game against them this coming Sunday than he did last year (some short fields to work with off of Dixon turnovers), but I wouldn't exactly be licking my chops this week if I owned CJ, and would definitely consider benching him if I had other options.While it's hard to bench Brady on any given week, he did totally kill me last year in week 14 when he had a bad game versus a tough D (can't remember who it was). I had a sinking feeling in my gut all week that he was gonna have a bad game, but I didn't have any other options at QB to start in place of him. Didn't help that I had Moss too. Maybe I am a little snake-bitten by that Sorry to hijack here, but perhaps a whole thread could be started about the ASYS thinking. I have probably been burned by following it just as much as being rewarded, so in the end I guess go with your gut.

 

[Abrantes]

You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

If you didn't want differing opinions, perhaps you shouldn't have started this thread. And I'm not a Pats guy, guy.

 

[BAY_AREA_GIANT]

First off about Revis... Quote from Don Banks Story on SI.com "Holdout or no holdout, Revis was his usual impenetrable self, and the Ravens barely tested him." So please do not start by saying Brady will be able to pick on Revis because of his holdout. NO ONE is in mid-season form as it is the beginning of the season.

SI Jets Ravens

The Jets D was stout. Only reason the Ravens scored a TD was because of a Pass interference call to put them on the 1 yard line. There are a few very good passing O's in the league. Colts, Saints, Texans, Patriots to name a few. All of them would have a subpar day VS the Jets D. I cannot agree with you saying that Brady will have a "unusually strong game statistically"

No one expects Brady to pick on Revis with Moss. Welker is pretty good.I don't like this statement:

"Only reason the Ravens scored a TD was because of a Pass interference call to put them on the 1 yard line."

1. Penalties are part of the game. The Jets secondary made some huge mistakes..can't ignore that fact.

2. On a separate drive, Cromartie intercepted Flacco's pass at the NYJ 3 because Flacco made a very poor pass. It wasn't because of great defense.

 

[PatsFanCT]

You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

If you really have extra tickets, PM me with the details.

 

[Neofight]

I own the Jets D and I'm actually facing the Brady owner this week, and from that perspective I wouldn't mind at all if he benched Brady. It's not the greatest matchup as the Jets D is stout, but their strength is their run D. Cromartie and Wilson looked pretty underwhelming in coverage and so even if Revis is able to completely nuetralize Moss, Brady still has Welker and a bunch of other legit receiving options. I see no reason to bench him unless you have a really strong back up with a good match up.

Define "bunch of other Legit receiving options" I don't see much very scary past Welker.

MossWelkerTateHernandezGronkowskiEdelmanFaulkMorrisTaylorYah, its pretty much just Welker.

you are making my point for me bud... How many of those guys are on your team (even bench players) as a WR besides Moss and Welker?

These players encompass three distinct positions. I'm not sure why you would have two WR's from the same team on your roster, much less three.

 

[Maui Monster]

You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

If you didn't want differing opinions, perhaps you shouldn't have started this thread. And I'm not a Pats guy, guy.

Dude, chill. I was speaking to all the Pats fans with Patriots helmets in their name and people named PatsFanCT... Get it? and it was not an insult merely a statement.

 

[Maui Monster]

I own the Jets D and I'm actually facing the Brady owner this week, and from that perspective I wouldn't mind at all if he benched Brady. It's not the greatest matchup as the Jets D is stout, but their strength is their run D. Cromartie and Wilson looked pretty underwhelming in coverage and so even if Revis is able to completely nuetralize Moss, Brady still has Welker and a bunch of other legit receiving options. I see no reason to bench him unless you have a really strong back up with a good match up.

Define "bunch of other Legit receiving options" I don't see much very scary past Welker.

MossWelkerTateHernandezGronkowskiEdelmanFaulkMorrisTaylorYah, its pretty much just Welker.

you are making my point for me bud... How many of those guys are on your team (even bench players) as a WR besides Moss and Welker?

These players encompass three distinct positions. I'm not sure why you would have two WR's from the same team on your roster, much less three.

I should have said rostered in your league... my mistake

 

[Neofight]

Define "bunch of other Legit receiving options" I don't see much very scary past Welker.

MossWelkerTateHernandezGronkowskiEdelmanFaulkMorrisTaylorYah, its pretty much just Welker.

you are making my point for me bud... How many of those guys are on your team (even bench players) as a WR besides Moss and Welker?

These players encompass three distinct positions. I'm not sure why you would have two WR's from the same team on your roster, much less three.

I should have said rostered in your league... my mistake

In that case, many of them are. In my leagues the only ones that aren't are Faulk and Morris. Lots of upside in the Pats passing game.

 

[Abrantes]

You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

If you didn't want differing opinions, perhaps you shouldn't have started this thread. And I'm not a Pats guy, guy.

Dude, chill. I was speaking to all the Pats fans with Patriots helmets in their name and people named PatsFanCT... Get it? and it was not an insult merely a statement.

Oh, don't worry. I "get it". Still not sure why you opened this thread if you'd rather belittle them than listen to valid arguments. Clearly you have your mind made up already.

 

[Bristol]

I have Moss and considered sitting him, but I remembered the one, hard and fast rule of Fantasy Football!

YOU NEVER BENCH YOUR STUDS!!!!!

 

[Maui Monster]

OK I am going to ignore Rams Fan from Rio. I did not belittle anyone. Was just a spirited conversation. This is what this board is for...

Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far with guys like Jason Campbell vs Rams, Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Jay Cutler and all the usual suspects. Methinks bottom line if you have a strong matchup with another QB I would take it.

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[jurb26]

Only two QB's threw for 2 TD or more last season vs the Jets - Henne at home and Peyton at home in the AFCC - and they just shut down Flacco. If you have another QB1 with a decent matchup then I'd bench Brady on the road vs the Jets.

The Jets didn't come anywhere close to shutting Flacco down. Flacco missed several deep balls and had a few other dropped. On top of that the Jets pass interferenced their way to stealing about 100 yds away from Flacco's passing stats as well. Flacco still put up 250 yds.

 

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You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

Revis will be on Moss. New England's short dink/dunk passes to Welker/Faulk/Hernandez should be sufficient to slow down that jets blitz. I figure Gronk will likely be held in to help block as he's a better blocker than Hernandez.The upside is the Pats won't have to score more than 14-17 points to beat the Jets thanks to their completely inept offense. NE will stack the box and dare Sanchez (lol) to beat them. If he plays anything like last week that's a recipe for success.

 

[Abrantes]

Sorry you couldn't handle a simple question. Just seems like confirmation bias is running rampant here. Good luck, bud.

 

[Maui Monster]

You Pats guys should buy my extra tickets to the game on eBay so you can watch Brady run for his life...

Revis will be on Moss. New England's short dink/dunk passes to Welker/Faulk/Hernandez should be sufficient to slow down that jets blitz. I figure Gronk will likely be held in to help block as he's a better blocker than Hernandez.The upside is the Pats won't have to score more than 14-17 points to beat the Jets thanks to their completely inept offense. NE will stack the box and dare Sanchez (lol) to beat them. If he plays anything like last week that's a recipe for success.

Good Analysis. I agree with you here.

 

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OK I am going to ignore Rams Fan from Rio. I did not belittle anyone. Was just a spirited conversation. This is what this board is for...Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far with guys like Jason Campbell vs Rams, Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Jay Cutler and all the usual suspects. Methinks bottom line if you have a strong matchup with another QB I would take it.B

IF you've got someone who will post better than 250-300 yards with 1-2 TDs and 1 INT then I would start them for certain. Only problem is there's not a whole lot of QBs that are a lock for those kind of numbers and if you have Brady, chances are you don't have one of the others.I'd also like to add that Jets D took a pretty nice hit with Jenkins going down. There will have to be some adjustment by the ILB to compensate for that gap that was previously reliably filled. With Jenkins down the Jets can't count on up to plug the center and spread out a bit more to cover the quick outs. They're going to have to pick their poison and Brady will do what he does and take what the Jets D gives him. Finally, look for Tate to be a possible flex play in deep leagues and Brady will push the deep ball to the other side of the field to keep the middle open for Welker/Hernandez.

 

[PatsFanCT]

OK I am going to ignore Rams Fan from Rio. I did not belittle anyone. Was just a spirited conversation. This is what this board is for...Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far with guys like Jason Campbell vs Rams, Kyle Orton, Vince Young, Jay Cutler and all the usual suspects. Methinks bottom line if you have a strong matchup with another QB I would take it.B

IF you've got someone who will post better than 250-300 yards with 1-2 TDs and 1 INT then I would start them for certain. Only problem is there's not a whole lot of QBs that are a lock for those kind of numbers and if you have Brady, chances are you don't have one of the others.

I believe Brady is a lock for at least 250 and 2 TD's. Once the Pats get a sizable lead, the Jets defense will break down and Brady and co will keep their foot on the gas.

 

[humans_being]

Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far

B

And this is what you get for $29.95 I might sit him for Eli, but there aren't 14 other QB's that i'd rather have starting this week than Brady. Bottom line is that if you have other viable options then one might want to think about sitting him, but the Kyle Orton's and Jay Cutler's of the world are NOT viable options.

 

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Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far

B

And this is what you get for $29.95 I might sit him for Eli, but there aren't 14 other QB's that i'd rather have starting this week than Brady. Bottom line is that if you have other viable options then one might want to think about sitting him, but the Kyle Orton's and Jay Cutler's of the world are NOT viable options.

I don't get this. If you don't like what FBG provides for the "whopping" $29.95 they charge then dont' pay it.... but to badmouth it as inaccurate (they recently were proven to be the most accurate overall) or a bad value ($30 for a season of info is a steal) is a bit silly.

They have brady projected for 250 / 1.4 TD / 0.9 INT and I think that's pretty accurate. A couple of the guys over him are BARELY over him and only there due to increased rushing yardage and odds of a rushing TD. It's valid.

 

[jimed]

I think you will see Revis roll to Welker more than in the past. He freakin killed them last year.

Crom is good in coverage (just wont/cant tackle anyone) for Moss, and he will have help over the top. Brady prolly wont have alot of shots to take the top off of the Defense, and if he does, he has to hit the first 2, to stop the blitzing.

Not alot of QB/WR combos I would rather have trying to rip apart the top of this defense, Peyton/Collie, or Schaub/AJ, but with Hou, your second & 3rd recievers do not equate to Welkers threat.

Crumpler & Gronk will be in all day widening the edge for blitzes, and Taylor/Morris/Faulk will chip all day before vacating the backfield.

Look for Hernandez to have a good day, as Welker clears out the middle, leaving TE drags..

Just my Opinion

 

[Jed]

ASYSAlways Start Your Studs

Try telling that to the Greene and Turner owners..the 1st week proved that ASYS is an old and tired theory. Gotta be willing to change it up a bit if you have bench players with decent matchups when your studs are playing against top-5 defenses.

 

[shnikies]

ASYSAlways Start Your Studs

Try telling that to the Greene and Turner owners..the 1st week proved that ASYS is an old and tired theory. Gotta be willing to change it up a bit if you have bench players with decent matchups when your studs are playing against top-5 defenses.

If Greene is a stud then how many studs are there in fantasy football? Picking out a couple performances in a week doesn't prove much.

 

[shnikies]

Footballguys cheatsheets has Tom Brady Ranked 15 so far

B

And this is what you get for $29.95 I might sit him for Eli, but there aren't 14 other QB's that i'd rather have starting this week than Brady. Bottom line is that if you have other viable options then one might want to think about sitting him, but the Kyle Orton's and Jay Cutler's of the world are NOT viable options.

As a Bears fan, I'd prefer you not say what's in bold again. That grouping disturbs me. On another note, I pay that money for the excellent software and Bloom's opinions. If Bloom weren't involved I probably wouldn't pay it.

 

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I think you will see Revis roll to Welker more than in the past. He freakin killed them last year.

I'm curious to see this, but I'd be amazed if they left Cromartie on Moss. Cromartie had a hard time vs Flacco in single coverage... no way they leave him alone with Moss. IF they double Moss then Tate will kill them deep with fades/posts on the other side or it will leave the middle wide open for Gronk/Hernandez.Also, Revis' strength is in deep one on one coverage with 1s. He's ability to hang step for step with those guys is somewhat wasted on a guy like welker that run abrupt one-cut timing routes. I see no way they don't play Revis on Moss 90% of the time he's on the field.... but we'll see.

 

[Road Warriors]

For the topic, I considered it briefly, but decided Brady in this matchup is no worse than Farve with no weapons.

IMO, this all comes down to the Jets front 7 vs. the Pats OL. I didn't get to see the NE/CIN game, but in select highlights, I was reminded of early 2007, with Brady sitting back with a nice comfortable pocket and plenty of time to survey the field. Was that the case more often than not in week 1?

The Jets D is stout, but losing Jenkins will hurt both against the run and in collapsing the pocket up the middle. If the Pats interior line can create a solid pocket for Brady, I expect to see a pretty typical passing day for Brady. If week one is any indication, this collection of receivers brings Brady back to spreading the ball around more, and even accounting for Revis shutting down one of the receiving threats ( likely Moss ) there will be other matchups that the Pats can exploit.

The Jets looked active in the pass rush against BAL, but mostly with blitzes, leaving lots of single coverage. They didn't get to Flacco all that often, even with the pressure packages, totaling 2 sacks and 5 QB hits. I would guess that if the Pats OL can keep Brady upright equally as well as BAL did with Flacco, Brady will be able to move the ball through the air with some consistency.

Any Jets homers have some insight on the strength of the Jets pass rush?

In any case, I love this rivalry and can't wait for Sunday.

 

[otb_lifer]

Couple of points to consider here in this matchup ...

Heap had a pretty damn good game Monday night, even dropping what would've been 'bout a 30 yard TD early on ... Wilson may have stripped it last second, but Heap didn't quite secure it, and it was right on his fingertips. He was getting open quite often ... bodes well for the Pats TE's ...

The Jets are on the short week, coming off a very draining game, that saw their defense on the field 2/3 of the game. Though they only scored 10 points, Baltimore had that defense working OT to keep the score close, and to their credit, the Jets D was up to that task. That was a hard hitting, intense game ... with quite a bit of buildup, to say the least ... now the Jets public enemy number one rolls in ...firing on all cylinders, it seems.

The Ravens did not have a legit "stretch the field" type WR ... Mason may be the closest, but is not, at this stage of his career, the deep threat Moss or Tate can provide Sunday.

The Pats are catching the Jets at a good time this week ... I think the passing game (Brady) will do just fine. The Pats can put their boot on the Jets throat early in the season, by putting them intio an 0-2 hole ... it's certainly not gonna happen on the ground, so look for Brady and co. to have success in the NEW and improved swamp on Sunday.

All that said, will be an entertaining game ... the bad blood here is certifiable ... and probably the league's marquee rivalry at this time.

 

[Maui Monster]

Sat Tom Brady and Started Jay Cutler. Looking good for me. Can we all agree that starting a QB in NY Jets stadium is going to result in a subpar day?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Sat Tom Brady and Started Jay Cutler. Looking good for me. Can we all agree that starting a QB in NY Jets stadium is going to result in a subpar day?

You have Brady AND Cutler on a team? Congrats I guess.250ish/2/2 is fine by me against one of the best defenses in the NFL.