Tony Romo - Is he elite yet? (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet. It was like some thought he was already the number 3 QB in the NFL before he had ever proven himself over the long haul, something he still hasn't done. Consider this:

Last year:

-Once he became the full-time starter in the second half of the first game against the Giants, over the seven games, he threw 12 TDs and 5 INTs. Counting the playoff game, in his last six games, he threw 7 TDs and 8 INTs.

This year:

-In the first 13 games, he threw 35 TDs and 14 INTs. Counting the playoff game, in his last four games, he threw 2 TDs and 6 INTs.

This appears to be a clear-cut case of a guy who doesn't finish seasons well. Consider, too, that, in both playoff games, the offense underperformed by wide margins, scoring a total of 30 points in the two games combined (the other 7 Dallas points coming off of a kickoff return), and in those games, Romo did not perform well.

Am I saying he is not good? Of course not. I think he is a very good player. But he is not elite quite yet. He needs to prove himself in January before he is elite, and before he should be mentioned with guys who have proven that they can win in the playoffs.

I know will some will say, "Any QB who throws for 36 TDs in a season is pretty darn good," but remember that Steve Beuerlein once threw for 36 TDs in a season with the Carolina Panthers. I am just saying...

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

nope.

He can scramble a bit and at time makes him look good. But he has a solid run game and targets in TO and Witten. I think someone like Cutler,McNabb,Brees would put up better numbers.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

When Peyton Manning lost his first 3 playoff games people still thought of him as an elite quarterback. Why should it be different for Tony Romo?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

So no, Romo isn't an elite QB yet and I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

 

[Jason Wood]

It really comes down to your own personal definition of "elite."

If you reserve "elite" for those players who you think are among the best to ever play the position, clearly Romo falls short.

If you consider "elite" to be a QB that can and will go to multiple Pro Bowls and has the chance to play a big role in at least one championship, I would say yes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

Absolutely not. Roethlisberger has won a Super Bowl, and he was a major reason why, playing splendidly in all three AFC playoff games. Okay, he struggled in the actual Super Bowl, but the fact of the matter is, the '05 Steelers don't make it to the Super Bowl without Ben Roethlisberger playing as well as he did in the playoffs. Tony Romo has not come close to doing what Roethlisberger has done, so sorry, no way I am putting Romo in the same tier as Big Ben...yet.And to compare, in this first two seasons as a starter, Romo went 0-2; Roethlisberger went 5-1, with his only loss being to the Patriots, the dynasty of the 00's.

Also, as far as Favre goes, who really was expecting him to be this good against this year? Not many. So his resurgence back near the top has been somewhat of a surprise, so you can see why, back in September, some of us were putting him in the same category as Roethlisberger or even Romo. Favre had struggled the past few years, but his play this year was a reminder that, when he is on his game, there are few better.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

So no, Romo isn't an elite QB yet and I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

I agree that I wouldn't put Roethlisberger in Favre's class -- he's only been in the league four years. However three of those four years were pretty darn good. I think Roethlisberger and Romo belong in the same discussion but until Romo starts winning in the post season I would put him below Big Ben.

 

[Bankerguy]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

 

[Jason Wood]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

So no, Romo isn't an elite QB yet and I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

I agree that I wouldn't put Roethlisberger in Favre's class -- he's only been in the league four years. However three of those four years were pretty darn good. I think Roethlisberger and Romo belong in the same discussion but until Romo starts winning in the post season I would put him below Big Ben.

I think Big Ben is, right now, in a class by himself. He's obviously below Brady/Manning, but if I were building a franchise I would probably opt for him ahead of Brees/McNabb because of his age and playoff success.

 

[pats3in4]

His name is not on the list.

(see the 2nd segment)

 

[Texasmouth]

Romo is elite. I think he is a top 10 QB in the league if not top 5.

He isnt really even in his second year yet either. He has started a season and a half and he is already this good.

The only people dogging this guy are the typical Cowboy haters.

 

[redman]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

He has benefitted from some top notch WR's/TE to throw to, so it'll be interesting to see how he does long term, but I'm impressed so far as a general matter.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

Absolutely not. Roethlisberger has won a Super Bowl, and he was a major reason why, playing splendidly in all three AFC playoff games. Okay, he struggled in the actual Super Bowl, but the fact of the matter is, the '05 Steelers don't make it to the Super Bowl without Ben Roethlisberger playing as well as he did in the playoffs. Tony Romo has not come close to doing what Roethlisberger has done, so sorry, no way I am putting Romo in the same tier as Big Ben...yet.And to compare, in this first two seasons as a starter, Romo went 0-2; Roethlisberger went 5-1, with his only loss being to the Patriots, the dynasty of the 00's.

Also, as far as Favre goes, who really was expecting him to be this good against this year? Not many. So his resurgence back near the top has been somewhat of a surprise, so you can see why, back in September, some of us were putting him in the same category as Roethlisberger or even Romo. Favre had struggled the past few years, but his play this year was a reminder that, when he is on his game, there are few better.

Trent Dilfer won a SB and Marino didn't but Marino is light years ahead of Dilfer as a QB. The SB thing only counts so far......you also have to throw in your own sports common sense.Rothlesberger is not better than Romo just because his team won a SB nor is Rothlesberger better than every QB that didn't win one.

As far as trying to convince you about Romo and Rothlesberger I'm not going to try. I've seen them both play many many times and when watching and evaluating their play, there's very little difference in how good each player is. They both can be outstanding and they both can screw up. If I had to choose one of them to play for me, it would be Romo, I'm sure you'd pick Ben but to think Ben is in a different class than Romo I think you're fooling yourself.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

So no, Romo isn't an elite QB yet and I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

I agree that I wouldn't put Roethlisberger in Favre's class -- he's only been in the league four years. However three of those four years were pretty darn good. I think Roethlisberger and Romo belong in the same discussion but until Romo starts winning in the post season I would put him below Big Ben.

That's fair, and I respect opinions but when I just evaluate the QB play, I don't see much of a difference. I think Romo definately played better than Ben this year in the playoffs even though both lost in their first try.Pittsburgh's style when they did win their SB was perfect for a young QB where he wasn't asked to win games. They ran the ball and played great defense and sprinkled in he had to make some throws and towards the end some clutch throws.

The Dallas offense is based on throwing the ball and the defense is not nearly as dominating as that Steeler defense that won the SB that year. Ben did the job and deserves his ring but he hardly carried the team that season to where Dallas asks a lot more of Romo if they are to win.

 

[scott72]

Romo is elite. I think he is a top 10 QB in the league if not top 5.

 

[Bankerguy]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

He has benefitted from some top notch WR's/TE to throw to, so it'll be interesting to see how he does long term, but I'm impressed so far as a general matter.

This is the part that scares me about Romo as a Cowboy fan. How much of this success is indeed TO and Witten. Just even using TO as an example. Look at what he did for McNabb. While I admit I am down more on McNabb than the average observer. The talent around the QB has a huge impact.Hopefully the Cowboys continue to give Romo weapons to work with. So far, he has shown that he can effectively utilize them.For the rest...the jury is still out.

 

[DawnBTVS]

I'd put Roethlisberger ahead of Romo, especially based on this season (not including the past seasons either).

Roethlisberger put up 32 TD vs. 11 INT in only 404 attempts (and threw for 3,154 yards while completing 65% of his passes). Romo on the other hand threw for 36 TD vs. 19 INT in 520 attempts (throwing for 4,211 yards and completing 64% of his passes). Romo had 4 more TD and 8 more INT in 116 more throws.

While Romo is asked to carry the team on his back in comparison to Roethlisberger, Ben has done about as well as he can with the number of attempts he's had to throw too.

The one thing that concerns me about Romo is his high interception rates. In 2006, he had a 3.86% rate (13 in 337) and this year was 3.65% (19 in 520). Ben has been since 2007: 2.72% (11 in 404), 4.90% (23 in 469), and 3.36% (9 in 268). I'm more concerned because Romo has thrown the ball a lot more than Roethlisberger although we saw that Ben was able to be efficient in his 3rd season. Maybe Romo will pull off the same feat.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Romo is elite. I think he is a top 10 QB in the league if not top 5.

He isnt really even in his second year yet either. He has started a season and a half and he is already this good.

The only people dogging this guy are the typical Cowboy haters.

HATERS!!!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Trent Dilfer won a SB and Marino didn't but Marino is light years ahead of Dilfer as a QB. The SB thing only counts so far......you also have to throw in your own sports common sense.

Spare me the tired old Dilfer argument. I never said, "Roethlisberger is better than Romo JUST because he was won a Super Bowl." Big Ben is not some chump who got lucky to be QBing a team that had a for-the-ages defense that won him a Super Bowl; he is a stud QB whose play was integral to his team winning it all. I would prefer you focus on the arguments I did make. TIA.

Rothlesberger is not better than Romo just because his team won a SB nor is Rothlesberger better than every QB that didn't win one.

I agree. Link to where anyone said that was the reason, please?

As far as trying to convince you about Romo and Rothlesberger I'm not going to try. I've seen them both play many many times and when watching and evaluating their play, there's very little difference in how good each player is. They both can be outstanding and they both can screw up. If I had to choose one of them to play for me, it would be Romo, I'm sure you'd pick Ben but to think Ben is in a different class than Romo I think you're fooling yourself.

Sorry, but you cannot ignore the facts, and so far, the fact of the matter is that Tony Romo has not shown that he can end a season well and play well in the playoffs. Roethlisberger has. If you think that puts them in the same class, that is fine. That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but I am not about to put a guy who is not a proven winner yet in the same class as a guy who IS a proven winner.And like I said before, it is extremely rare for a QB to be considered elite before he proves himself in the playoffs. Romo needs to step it up come playoff time before he is an elite QB. That is how I see it.

 

[JPeso]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

He has benefitted from some top notch WR's/TE to throw to, so it'll be interesting to see how he does long term, but I'm impressed so far as a general matter.

This is the part that scares me about Romo as a Cowboy fan. How much of this success is indeed TO and Witten. Just even using TO as an example. Look at what he did for McNabb.

McNabb had done well before TO came along. I would not be 'scared' of a TO-less Romo. He will be fine.

 

[redman]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

He has benefitted from some top notch WR's/TE to throw to, so it'll be interesting to see how he does long term, but I'm impressed so far as a general matter.

This is the part that scares me about Romo as a Cowboy fan. How much of this success is indeed TO and Witten. Just even using TO as an example. Look at what he did for McNabb. While I admit I am down more on McNabb than the average observer. The talent around the QB has a huge impact.Hopefully the Cowboys continue to give Romo weapons to work with. So far, he has shown that he can effectively utilize them.For the rest...the jury is still out.

Like with Crayton, I came out of this season with a reduced impression of Romo, though with Romo like I said above it's mostly favorable. The most disturbing thing I saw was a breakdown in Romo's leadership when it was needed most. He looked like he got flustered and it changed his normally cool on-field persona. That carried over post-game with him hanging his head just like he did last year after the Seattle loss. To me, he doesn't look like a leader at such moments. He needs to grow up and stop being the celebrity QB that Parcells told him not to be.

 

[Bankerguy]

Romo is very good imo. I would not call him elite.

He has benefitted from some top notch WR's/TE to throw to, so it'll be interesting to see how he does long term, but I'm impressed so far as a general matter.

This is the part that scares me about Romo as a Cowboy fan. How much of this success is indeed TO and Witten. Just even using TO as an example. Look at what he did for McNabb. While I admit I am down more on McNabb than the average observer. The talent around the QB has a huge impact.Hopefully the Cowboys continue to give Romo weapons to work with. So far, he has shown that he can effectively utilize them.For the rest...the jury is still out.

Like with Crayton, I came out of this season with a reduced impression of Romo, though with Romo like I said above it's mostly favorable. The most disturbing thing I saw was a breakdown in Romo's leadership when it was needed most. He looked like he got flustered and it changed his normally cool on-field persona. That carried over post-game with him hanging his head just like he did last year after the Seattle loss. To me, he doesn't look like a leader at such moments. He needs to grow up and stop being the celebrity QB that Parcells told him not to be.

I won't diagree too much here. The leadership is there, he just needs a steady hand with helping him better understand it and to continue growing. Next year wil be an important year for Romo when we look back at his career. He will either continue to grow or just be the Danny White.

 

[scott72]

Trent Dilfer won a SB and Marino didn't but Marino is light years ahead of Dilfer as a QB. The SB thing only counts so far......you also have to throw in your own sports common sense.

Spare me the tired old Dilfer argument. I never said, "Roethlisberger is better than Romo JUST because he was won a Super Bowl." Big Ben is not some chump who got lucky to be QBing a team that had a for-the-ages defense that won him a Super Bowl; he is a stud QB whose play was integral to his team winning it all. I would prefer you focus on the arguments I did make. TIA.

Rothlesberger is not better than Romo just because his team won a SB nor is Rothlesberger better than every QB that didn't win one.

I agree. Link to where anyone said that was the reason, please?

As far as trying to convince you about Romo and Rothlesberger I'm not going to try. I've seen them both play many many times and when watching and evaluating their play, there's very little difference in how good each player is. They both can be outstanding and they both can screw up. If I had to choose one of them to play for me, it would be Romo, I'm sure you'd pick Ben but to think Ben is in a different class than Romo I think you're fooling yourself.

Sorry, but you cannot ignore the facts, and so far, the fact of the matter is that Tony Romo has not shown that he can end a season well and play well in the playoffs. Roethlisberger has. If you think that puts them in the same class, that is fine. That is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but I am not about to put a guy who is not a proven winner yet in the same class as a guy who IS a proven winner.And like I said before, it is extremely rare for a QB to be considered elite before he proves himself in the playoffs. Romo needs to step it up come playoff time before he is an elite QB. That is how I see it.

Romo isn't even close to elite. Take away TO, Witten, and MB3 and we'll see how good he is. Remember when Favre just had Driver? Yeah he wasn't very good then either. Supporting cast is HUGE. When Romo wins something then maybe he can be bumped up a bit, but saying he's elite is a complete joke at this point.

 

[Ridgelake]

There are 2 elite QBs right now, Manning and Brady. You might be able to argue that Farve is in that class as well. So no, Romo is not elite.

I do think Romo has some exceptional skills that MAY translate to elite status in time. 1) He has a lightning fast release. Faster than Marino's actually. 2) He normally is very accurate, though that took a nose dive at the end of this year, probably because of the thumb injury. 3) He has improvisational skills the likes of which are rarely seen. 4) During the regular season, he showed the ability to remain calm in the face of adversity. In the playoffs this year though, he seemed rattled more than I've ever seen him. 5) He has the respect of his teammates. He had to earn his way to where it is. His teammates know that. 6) He is a very hard worker, readily acknowledged as a one of the first to arrive and last to leave.

But Romo still has things to learn. He does have clunker games. Buffalo this past year was a great example. To his credit, he talked about how much he learned from that game.

1) He hasnt seen it all yet like a Manning or Brady. But he's only played for 1.5 years. 2) The Hollywood life may get to him. Get him away from his roots. It will be interesting to see where this part goes. 3) He may or may not learn to control his emotions better based upon the playoff game. Again, the playoff pressure got to him this year. Will he handle it better next time? Dunno.

The bottom line is that he's got all the tools to be successful, to be elite. There are a few question marks about him. But who can you not say that about? He's not there yet. But I wouldn't bet against it happening.

Think of it this way. If you were starting a franchise today, what QBs would you want more than Romo? Not (m)any.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'd put Roethlisberger ahead of Romo, especially based on this season (not including the past seasons either).Roethlisberger put up 32 TD vs. 11 INT in only 404 attempts (and threw for 3,154 yards while completing 65% of his passes). Romo on the other hand threw for 36 TD vs. 19 INT in 520 attempts (throwing for 4,211 yards and completing 64% of his passes). Romo had 4 more TD and 8 more INT in 116 more throws.While Romo is asked to carry the team on his back in comparison to Roethlisberger, Ben has done about as well as he can with the number of attempts he's had to throw too.The one thing that concerns me about Romo is his high interception rates. In 2006, he had a 3.86% rate (13 in 337) and this year was 3.65% (19 in 520). Ben has been since 2007: 2.72% (11 in 404), 4.90% (23 in 469), and 3.36% (9 in 268). I'm more concerned because Romo has thrown the ball a lot more than Roethlisberger although we saw that Ben was able to be efficient in his 3rd season. Maybe Romo will pull off the same feat.

Romo also played with much better protection (sacked 24x compared to 47 for Big Ben). Roethlisberger was running for his life all year and still posted the second-best passer rating in the NFL.

 

[scott72]

There are 2 elite QBs right now, Manning and Brady. You might be able to argue that Farve is in that class as well. So no, Romo is not elite.

I do think Romo has some exceptional skills that MAY translate to elite status in time. 1) He has a lightning fast release. Faster than Marino's actually. 2) He normally is very accurate, though that took a nose dive at the end of this year, probably because of the thumb injury. 3) He has improvisational skills the likes of which are rarely seen. 4) During the regular season, he showed the ability to remain calm in the face of adversity. In the playoffs this year though, he seemed rattled more than I've ever seen him. 5) He has the respect of his teammates. He had to earn his way to where it is. His teammates know that. 6) He is a very hard worker, readily acknowledged as a one of the first to arrive and last to leave.

But Romo still has things to learn. He does have clunker games. Buffalo this past year was a great example. To his credit, he talked about how much he learned from that game.

1) He hasnt seen it all yet like a Manning or Brady. But he's only played for 1.5 years. 2) The Hollywood life may get to him. Get him away from his roots. It will be interesting to see where this part goes. 3) He may or may not learn to control his emotions better based upon the playoff game. Again, the playoff pressure got to him this year. Will he handle it better next time? Dunno.

The bottom line is that he's got all the tools to be successful, to be elite. There are a few question marks about him. But who can you not say that about? He's not there yet. But I wouldn't bet against it happening.

Think of it this way. If you were starting a franchise today, what QBs would you want more than Romo? Not (m)any.

I'm not sure how you wouldn't include Favre in that group since he holds all the major records and has one a SB. How would Manning be ahead of Favre?

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Yes, what means elite? Elite in next year's fantasy draft or elite in history.

Right now Romo is probably a top-5 Cowboy quarterback and, as yet, couldn't carry Staubach's jock strap.

 

[nysfl2]

This year:

-In the first 13 games, he threw 35 TDs and 14 INTs. Counting the playoff game, in his last four games, he threw 2 TDs and 6 INTs.

To be fair, TO missed or was not healthy for 2 1/2 of these last four games this year. I don't think it's accurate that he is a guy that can't finish the season strong. My impression of him is that he is a good quarterback that is surrounded by very good talent, which allows him to put up elite numbers. I have concerns about how well he'll do once TO slows down or retires.

 

[Tanner9919]

nope.He can scramble a bit and at time makes him look good. But he has a solid run game and targets in TO and Witten. I think someone like Cutler,McNabb,Brees would put up better numbers.

McNabb has had just one 'good' season, really..the rest is garbage..Brees is decent, Cutler is not on Romo's level.two years as a starter, 64.5% comp., 97 rating..55/36, W/L record.not too shabby, now is it?better than Carson Palmer..

 

[Tanner9919]

When Peyton Manning lost his first 3 playoff games people still thought of him as an elite quarterback. Why should it be different for Tony Romo?

Peyton Manning has gone one-n-done in he playoffs 4 or 5 times now..two of those games were AT HOME..not exactly an elite QB ..he's a great stat compiler, but the great one's don't lose games at home in post season, as much as he does..

 

[TD Ryan]

define "elite".

based on my own interpretation of elite, I don't think Romo's there yet.

He's got a chance to get there/be there some day.

but so too did Kurt Warner and Scott Mitchell.

is Romo a guy who had a couple of good seasons

or

an elite NFL QB?

only time will tell.

 

[Road Warriors]

Romo is elite. I think he is a top 10 QB in the league if not top 5.

He isnt really even in his second year yet either. He has started a season and a half and he is already this good.

The only people dogging this guy are the typical Cowboy haters.

HATERS!!!

I thought this was reserved for the Patriots thread. Nice use of schtick spread.

 

[erikf08]

Romo was elite this year. Top 4 qb. I know the last month did not do him justice, but we all know from a fantasy perspective this guy was lights out for 13 weeks this year. If Patrick Crayton could catch the ball we might be talking about Romo in a different way today. He makes some tremendous throws, usually something out of nothing...but that too is his downfall...he wants to make every play rather than just throwing the damn ball into the 3rd row. If he can improve on this year, he will be on his way to elite status for his position. If he continues to make the same bonehead mistakes but put up solid fantasy numbers overall, he will be in the same class as Bulger/Hasselbeck.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Romo will psychologically be extremely undervalued in next year's FF drafts because of his playoff performance.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Romo is elite. I think he is a top 10 QB in the league if not top 5.

He isnt really even in his second year yet either. He has started a season and a half and he is already this good.

The only people dogging this guy are the typical Cowboy haters.

HATERS!!!

I thought this was reserved for the Patriots thread. Nice use of schtick spread.

Oh no, this is universal. It is hardly limited to any particular team. It is dedicated to the complete and total overuse of the word "hater", PERIOD.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I am remember back when Romo was lighting it up back in September, I and several others were told we were nuts because we were saying that Romo wasn't as good as guys like Favre and Roethlisberger yet.

Here's where you probably ran into trouble, the bolded part. How do you put Brett F. and Roethlisberger in the same category?Tony Romo and Roethlisberger are in the same class. QB's like Brady, Brett F and P. Manning are in an entirely different one.

So no, Romo isn't an elite QB yet and I'm sure he'd say the same thing.

I agree that I wouldn't put Roethlisberger in Favre's class -- he's only been in the league four years. However three of those four years were pretty darn good. I think Roethlisberger and Romo belong in the same discussion but until Romo starts winning in the post season I would put him below Big Ben.

That's fair, and I respect opinions but when I just evaluate the QB play, I don't see much of a difference. I think Romo definately played better than Ben this year in the playoffs even though both lost in their first try.Pittsburgh's style when they did win their SB was perfect for a young QB where he wasn't asked to win games. They ran the ball and played great defense and sprinkled in he had to make some throws and towards the end some clutch throws.

The Dallas offense is based on throwing the ball and the defense is not nearly as dominating as that Steeler defense that won the SB that year. Ben did the job and deserves his ring but he hardly carried the team that season to where Dallas asks a lot more of Romo if they are to win.

I think they are very close. I think the original post with Favre was used not really comparing the 3 in terms of their career, but more in that they all seem to be gunslingers that make some plays a more conservative QB would not make, yet they also make some head scratching throws. Actually Romo makes probably the least head scratching throws of the 3. Roethlisberger and Romo are pretty close and arguments can be made for either one. If I had to choose I would probbaly take Roethlisberger, but it is very close.

 

[Dodge]

Elite quarterbacks win playoff games.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Romo will psychologically be extremely undervalued in next year's FF drafts because of his playoff performance.

I doubt it. He'll be one of the top 3 QB's taken in almost every league.

He'll be #3, but pushed down in the actual draft because of the performance. Where you would have to spend a 2nd-3rd rounder to get him, you'd now have to spend a 4th-6th rounder.That's still value. You can't just go by where he ranks among his position.

 

[redman]

Romo will psychologically be extremely undervalued in next year's FF drafts because of his playoff performance.

I doubt it. He'll be one of the top 3 QB's taken in almost every league.

He'll be #3, but pushed down in the actual draft because of the performance. Where you would have to spend a 2nd-3rd rounder to get him, you'd now have to spend a 4th-6th rounder.That's still value. You can't just go by where he ranks among his position.

He won't be #3 if Favre returns. I agree though, the value comes from guys who were down this year, like Bulger. Romo won't slip past 5 or 6 at worst, and even that would be low.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He's an elite fantasy QB.

That's fine, but this thread is about whether or not he is an elite NFL quarterback, not an elite fantasy football QB.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Romo will psychologically be extremely undervalued in next year's FF drafts because of his playoff performance.

I doubt it. He'll be one of the top 3 QB's taken in almost every league.

He'll be #3, but pushed down in the actual draft because of the performance. Where you would have to spend a 2nd-3rd rounder to get him, you'd now have to spend a 4th-6th rounder.That's still value. You can't just go by where he ranks among his position.

Romo put up the second-most points in fantasy football this year. People aren't just going to forget that because of one mediocre playoff game. You are dreaming if you think he makes it out of the third round undrafted.

Please link to where I said they were going to "forget".And as for your strange argument about second-most points, the top 6 scorers in FF this year were all QBs, and 9 out of 10 were. Using second-most points in FF is a pretty large misstatement to exaggerate your point.Are you saying we should draft all 9 of those QBs in the first 4 rounds? I hope not.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He's an elite fantasy QB.

That's fine, but this thread is about whether or not he is an elite NFL quarterback, not an elite fantasy football QB.

Sorry. I thought this was a fantasy football site.

It is, but that doesn't mean that every single thread is about fantasy football, regardless of whether or not it is in the Shark Pool.

 

[Borat]

There are 2 elite QBs right now, Manning and Brady. You might be able to argue that Farve is in that class as well. So no, Romo is not elite.

I do think Romo has some exceptional skills that MAY translate to elite status in time. 1) He has a lightning fast release. Faster than Marino's actually. 2) He normally is very accurate, though that took a nose dive at the end of this year, probably because of the thumb injury. 3) He has improvisational skills the likes of which are rarely seen. 4) During the regular season, he showed the ability to remain calm in the face of adversity. In the playoffs this year though, he seemed rattled more than I've ever seen him. 5) He has the respect of his teammates. He had to earn his way to where it is. His teammates know that. 6) He is a very hard worker, readily acknowledged as a one of the first to arrive and last to leave.

But Romo still has things to learn. He does have clunker games. Buffalo this past year was a great example. To his credit, he talked about how much he learned from that game.

1) He hasnt seen it all yet like a Manning or Brady. But he's only played for 1.5 years. 2) The Hollywood life may get to him. Get him away from his roots. It will be interesting to see where this part goes. 3) He may or may not learn to control his emotions better based upon the playoff game. Again, the playoff pressure got to him this year. Will he handle it better next time? Dunno.

The bottom line is that he's got all the tools to be successful, to be elite. There are a few question marks about him. But who can you not say that about? He's not there yet. But I wouldn't bet against it happening.

Think of it this way. If you were starting a franchise today, what QBs would you want more than Romo? Not (m)any.

I'm not sure how you wouldn't include Favre in that group since he holds all the major records and has one a SB. How would Manning be ahead of Favre?

If the discussion is about "right now," then it's Brady and Manning, and everyone else is on the outside looking in.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

This got me thinking about what other QBs took over a team that had an excellent offense, including an elite WR on the roster. Here's a comparison between Romo and another QB who fit that category, in their first full season as starters. The numbers are shockingly similar. Player B has had a fairly distinguished career since, but I don't think he's ever really been considered an elite QB.

  G 	GS 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Int 	Sck 	SckY 	Rate 
A 16	16	335	520	64.4	4,211	8.1	36	19	24	176	97.4

B 16	16	355	561	63.3	4,278	7.6	31	10	24	155	97.6

 

[scott72]

There are 2 elite QBs right now, Manning and Brady. You might be able to argue that Farve is in that class as well. So no, Romo is not elite.

I do think Romo has some exceptional skills that MAY translate to elite status in time. 1) He has a lightning fast release. Faster than Marino's actually. 2) He normally is very accurate, though that took a nose dive at the end of this year, probably because of the thumb injury. 3) He has improvisational skills the likes of which are rarely seen. 4) During the regular season, he showed the ability to remain calm in the face of adversity. In the playoffs this year though, he seemed rattled more than I've ever seen him. 5) He has the respect of his teammates. He had to earn his way to where it is. His teammates know that. 6) He is a very hard worker, readily acknowledged as a one of the first to arrive and last to leave.

But Romo still has things to learn. He does have clunker games. Buffalo this past year was a great example. To his credit, he talked about how much he learned from that game.

1) He hasnt seen it all yet like a Manning or Brady. But he's only played for 1.5 years. 2) The Hollywood life may get to him. Get him away from his roots. It will be interesting to see where this part goes. 3) He may or may not learn to control his emotions better based upon the playoff game. Again, the playoff pressure got to him this year. Will he handle it better next time? Dunno.

The bottom line is that he's got all the tools to be successful, to be elite. There are a few question marks about him. But who can you not say that about? He's not there yet. But I wouldn't bet against it happening.

Think of it this way. If you were starting a franchise today, what QBs would you want more than Romo? Not (m)any.

I'm not sure how you wouldn't include Favre in that group since he holds all the major records and has one a SB. How would Manning be ahead of Favre?

If the discussion is about "right now," then it's Brady and Manning, and everyone else is on the outside looking in.

How do you figure? Manning is chasing Favre for most TD's, yards, consecutive starts, completions, and 3,000 yard seasons. They both have one ring and you still say Manning is above Favre? The only thing Brady has on Brett is Super Bowl wins.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Elite is reserved for Brady, Manning and Favre.

Rothliesburger and Romo are in the same tier with Ben slightly ahead of Romo.

 

[Phlash]

This got me thinking about what other QBs took over a team that had an excellent offense, including an elite WR on the roster. Here's a comparison between Romo and another QB who fit that category, in their first full season as starters. The numbers are shockingly similar. Player B has had a fairly distinguished career since, but I don't think he's ever really been considered an elite QB.

G 	GS 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Int 	Sck 	SckY 	Rate A 16	16	335	520	64.4	4,211	8.1	36	19	24	176	97.4B 16	16	355	561	63.3	4,278	7.6	31	10	24	155	97.6

Who is player B!

 

[FUBAR]

How do you figure? Manning is chasing Favre for most TD's, yards, consecutive starts, completions, and 3,000 yard seasons. They both have one ring and you still say Manning is above Favre? The only thing Brady has on Brett is Super Bowl wins.

Pass %Peyton - 64.2%Brady - 63.0%Favre - 61.4%TD:INTPeyton - 2:1 Brady - 2.3:1 Favre - 1.5:1 Regular Season recordeyton - 105-55 (.656) Brady - 84-24 (.777) Favre - 159-94 (.628)It appears the only thing Favre has on either is longevity.

 

[FUBAR]

This got me thinking about what other QBs took over a team that had an excellent offense, including an elite WR on the roster. Here's a comparison between Romo and another QB who fit that category, in their first full season as starters. The numbers are shockingly similar. Player B has had a fairly distinguished career since, but I don't think he's ever really been considered an elite QB.

Who is player B![/QUOTE]Well, it's not Steve Young, although he's done fairly well too. [COLOR=#ffffff]BTW, this is a hint[/COLOR]

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

This got me thinking about what other QBs took over a team that had an excellent offense, including an elite WR on the roster. Here's a comparison between Romo and another QB who fit that category, in their first full season as starters. The numbers are shockingly similar. Player B has had a fairly distinguished career since, but I don't think he's ever really been considered an elite QB.

Who is player B![/QUOTE]Well, it's not Steve Young, although he's done fairly well too. [COLOR=#ffffff]BTW, this is a hint[/COLOR][/QUOTE]Player B is Jeff Garcia.  Really, there a number of similarities between Romo and Garcia.  Both were small school QBs who went undrafted.  Both are mobile and can extend plays.  Both are average to slightly below average in size and arm strength, but make up for it with a quick, accurate release.  Romo has the advantage of starting his NFL run a few years earlier; Garcia was 30 in 2000 while Romo was only 27 this year.