Top 3 Overrated Players in the Draft (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Tedd Ginn is one I see as over-rated. The guy's TINY! He might make a decent return man (ala Hester), but I doubt he makes any significant impact as a receiver. Some safety is going to behead the guy.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Olsen, Ginn and Branch

 

[wadegarrett]

1. Brady Quinn2. Antonio Pittman3. Sydney Rice

just wondering LHUCKS, why Pittman?too small?

He's not particularly good at anything. An NFL caliber RB would have done a lot more in his collegiate situation.

 

[5Rings]

1) Leon Hall. I didn't think he was that good at UM, looks to go in the 10-15 range and thats kinda high for a guy who will likely be an average CB2-3 type player.

2) Amobi Okoye. Sure he has potential, but I've seen this guy lately in the top 8 on some mocks...kinda high to be taking a guy on potential alone. In the win now NFL, how long will you have to wait for this kid to make an impact and justify his draft status and salary?

3) Lawrence Timmons. Is he that much better than the LBs you'll get in rds 2-3? I wasn't impressed with him last year, and his combine #s are nothing special.

 

[LHUCKS]

1. Brady Quinn2. Antonio Pittman3. Sydney Rice

just wondering LHUCKS, why Pittman?too small?

He's not particularly good at anything. An NFL caliber RB would have done a lot more in his collegiate situation.

 

[switz]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

 

[Jayded]

1. JaMarcus Russell

2. Leon Hall

3. Marshawn Lynch

 

[KING]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

if it takes 2 - 3 years to get production, then he's not #1 overall material. so you give this dude 30+ million signing bonous to do squat for 2 years, then when he finally starts to produce, he's a RFA. now a year later you have to tag him, and or pump more money into him. no thanks

 

[Chaos Commish]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

if it takes 2 - 3 years to get production, then he's not #1 overall material. so you give this dude 30+ million signing bonous to do squat for 2 years, then when he finally starts to produce, he's a RFA. now a year later you have to tag him, and or pump more money into him. no thanks

Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers...

 

[KING]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

if it takes 2 - 3 years to get production, then he's not #1 overall material. so you give this dude 30+ million signing bonous to do squat for 2 years, then when he finally starts to produce, he's a RFA. now a year later you have to tag him, and or pump more money into him. no thanks

Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers...rick mirer, ryan leaf.......

 

[RazorsEdge]

1) Jamarcus Russell

2) Brady Quinn

3) Dwayne Jarrett

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Craig Davis, WR, LSU

Tank Tyler, DT, NC State

Lawrence Timmons, LB, Florida St

 

[KING]

craig davis is overrated? don't you have to be rated to be overrated

 

[Chaos Commish]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

if it takes 2 - 3 years to get production, then he's not #1 overall material. so you give this dude 30+ million signing bonous to do squat for 2 years, then when he finally starts to produce, he's a RFA. now a year later you have to tag him, and or pump more money into him. no thanks

Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers...rick mirer, ryan leaf.......

Now that's not the point you were making at all. Leaf was thrown to the wolves as a rookie. You are being critical of developing franchise QBs, suggesting it isn't worth it. That flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Most teams would rather take a year or two to develop a QB. Palmer and Rivers are great examples. If you think he's going to bust fine, but the need to properly develop a QB over a year or two doesn't make him a bad early first round pick. Young, Leinart and Cutler were all forced into action sooner than the franchises preferred.

 

[Chaos Commish]

craig davis is overrated? don't you have to be rated to be overrated

He's routinely getting second round projections.eta... Bloom care to comment on the choice anyway? I kind of like the three #2s... Gonzo, Smith and Davis...

 

[grind]

Is this thread "official"?

 

[NoFBinLA]

This is excellent analysis, gentleman.

Thanks.

What do you expect from a bunch of dudes on a message board? If anyone here knew what they were talking about, they'd be in a Front Office somewhere.

You're not?

Seriously, I'd go with:

JaMarcus Russell - Has great measurables and upside, but I've heard (no link handy, sorry) he's got a bit of a questionable work ethic. Plus, and this isn't on him so much as the situation, if he goes to OAK, he's gonna get creamed early and often. Does he have the toughness to weather that? I don't know enough about him to say.

Brady Quinn - Weis + Notre Dame = Instant Stud apparently - unless you're me. While he has been in a 'Pro Offense', his decision making skills seemed questionable at times in some bigger games. I think he could be good, I just think he's been talked up more for the Weis/ND thing than anything else.

Maybe I just hate Notre Dame, I dunno. (not really)

better off for him to drop in the draft and sit a year or so ala Carson Palmer, IMO. But I think he could go too high and will struggle in a shaky offensive situation.

I don't have a third right now....

 

[KING]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Actually, I think you are in the majority in that thinking. The problem is that most QBs drafted in the top 5 don't get the opportunity to carry a clipboard for two years. And that damages them beyond repair usually.

if it takes 2 - 3 years to get production, then he's not #1 overall material. so you give this dude 30+ million signing bonous to do squat for 2 years, then when he finally starts to produce, he's a RFA. now a year later you have to tag him, and or pump more money into him. no thanks

Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers...rick mirer, ryan leaf.......

Now that's not the point you were making at all. Leaf was thrown to the wolves as a rookie. You are being critical of developing franchise QBs, suggesting it isn't worth it. That flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Most teams would rather take a year or two to develop a QB. Palmer and Rivers are great examples. If you think he's going to bust fine, but the need to properly develop a QB over a year or two doesn't make him a bad early first round pick. Young, Leinart and Cutler were all forced into action sooner than the franchises preferred.

i think my point is, you pick a QB in the top of the draft, you usually expect returns now. culpepper is a good example of a project. you don't pick a guy at #1 to sit for a year or 2. palmer and rivers could have started day 1, they just happen to have decent QB's in front of them in kitna, and a guy names brees.there are a couple of QB's that do come to mind that had time to develope but never did, andre ware? he wasn't forced into action and didn't do squat. how about klingler?

 

[JimboJim]

1) Leon Hall. I didn't think he was that good at UM, looks to go in the 10-15 range and thats kinda high for a guy who will likely be an average CB2-3 type player.2) Amobi Okoye. Sure he has potential, but I've seen this guy lately in the top 8 on some mocks...kinda high to be taking a guy on potential alone. In the win now NFL, how long will you have to wait for this kid to make an impact and justify his draft status and salary?

Hall - I do like Hall, but he isn't Champ Bailey (true lockdown CB). He would be an excellent fit in a cover-2. Without there being a true stud CB in the draft, I could see one going in the 10-15 range. However, I agree that's probably too high for him. A player like Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, Darelle Revis or Marcus McCauley could be had a bit later and produce just as much.Okoye - I think Okoye is one of the more seasoned players at DT. He was a four year starter. People like to label him with the "potential" tag because he is so young, but that's really not the case. 15 tackles for loss and 8 sacks his senior year for an interior D-lineman is tremendous. I think the biggest question with Okoye is whether he can develop additional moves beyond a a bull-rush. At less than 300 lbs, might have trouble in the NFL with the bull-rush. Reminds me of LaRoi Glover.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

craig davis is overrated? don't you have to be rated to be overrated

He's routinely getting second round projections.eta... Bloom care to comment on the choice anyway? I kind of like the three #2s... Gonzo, Smith and Davis...

Davis is the classic 2nd round WR who has everything he needs to succeed except being a natural when it comes to catching the ball. With so many upside WRs available on the second day, I personally wouldn't touch him until around the time guys like Laurent Robinson are going off the board.

 

[Chaos Commish]

i think my point is, you pick a QB in the top of the draft, you usually expect returns now.

I think we just agree to disagree on this point. I cannot recall any team expecting immediate returns on a QB regardless of how early he was chosen.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Greg Olsen

Dwayne Jarrett

and Joe Staley

 

[dpee]

This is excellent analysis, gentleman.

Thanks.

What do you expect from a bunch of dudes on a message board? If anyone here knew what they were talking about, they'd be in a Front Office somewhere.

if anyone here were the son or relative of a previous owner, theyd be in the front office.

 

[NorrisB]

2. Antonio Pittman

Translation = " I have him on this list because I hate the Big10 "

Lucks why havent you responded to this? Is it because its the truth?

 

[LHUCKS]

2. Antonio Pittman

Translation = " I have him on this list because I hate the Big10 "

Lucks why havent you responded to this? Is it because its the truth?

Because I don't respond to fishing. If you look in the underrated thread you'll notice I listed a Big10 player as well. I leave my Pac10 shtick in the FFA.

 

[The Jacket]

Joe Staley

Jamaal Anderson

Aaron Ross

 

[Two Deep]

1. Jamarcus Russell2. Michael Bush3. Ted Ginn

 

[mightyeskimo]

1. Brady Quinn2. Antonio Pittman3. Sydney Rice

I couldn't agree with Pittman being on this list more! Totally overrated! Antonio Pittman=Quentin Griffin

 

[Warpig]

1. Jamarcus Russell

I see him as an all or nothing guy...like most QBs, it's going to depend on his ability to make decisions at NFL speed...very hard to determine that.

I agree. I just think that people are more in love with his measurables than what he's actually capable of doing on the field. Too many people have been burned drafting by measurables instead of game tape.

a lot of people thought the same thing about Vince Young last year (me included) and his success will probably help keep Russell's value high.

I was thinking that, but I don't remember hearing anything about Russell's leadership ability. If anything I've heard that he wasn't much of a leader. Plus Russell didn't put up the kind of wins and numbers Young did. Russell's maturity and discipline is also questionable from what I've heard from all the analysts. But they all agree that he has all the physical attributes to be great.

 

[NorrisB]

1. Jamarcus Russell2. Michael Bush3. Ted Ginn

 

[Wildman]

Quinn

Pittman

Meachem

 

[LHUCKS]

Feel free to make any edits...this is going into the archives.

 

[LHUCKS]

2. Troy Smith

where is he projected to go these days?

about a second-fourth rounder, he should be an undrafted free agent

Any team that drafts Smith in the second round should automatically fire their scouting department.

 

[Bonzai]

amobi okoye

chris houston

greg olsen

 

[Fiddles]

Feel free to make any edits...this is going into the archives.

watch out for those purges

 

[TheGreatest]

Why do I keep seeing G. Olsen on this list? He is rated the #1 TE currently and I think rightly so. Someone please explain to me why he is overated.

 

[WampusCat43]

I'll go with Quinn, Adams, and Olsen.

Quinn for all the reasons that have been listed ad nauseum.

Adams because he disappears at times. He may work out as a situational pass rusher, but that would have to disappoint whoever drafted him that high.

Olsen - what's he done, besides run real fast?

 

[LHUCKS]

Feel free to make any edits...this is going into the archives.

watch out for those purges

yeah...I'll make a summary post.

 

[TheGreatest]

Olsen - what's he done, besides run real fast?

Have you not seen Olsen play? He has been one of the best TE's in the nation the past 2 years. He is being hyped up a little more because of his speed, but even before he ran at the combine he was considered the best TE in this draft.

 

[jurb26]

Olsen - what's he done, besides run real fast?

Have you not seen Olsen play? He has been one of the best TE's in the nation the past 2 years. He is being hyped up a little more because of his speed, but even before he ran at the combine he was considered the best TE in this draft.

I don't get it either. It certainly has become the "in" thing to dog on Olsen of late. The guy is tops at his position for good reason. The only thing I can gather is that people seem to think he will go too high in the 1st? Even still, I don't think I've seen him ranked in the top half of the draft anywhere.

 

[Marc Faletti]

Levi Brown tops the list for me. He could go as high as 8, even though teams know he lacks the mauler mentality. If you'll recall, 2 recent guys to go that high with similar measurables and a similar lack of true nastiness were Leonard Davis and Mike Williams. Bottom line, it's hard to be a franchise LT if you don't want to rip people's heads off every single play, no matter how good of a 330lb. ballerina you'd be.

Next is Ginn. In my mind, you're getting a bad carbon copy of half of Reggie Bush. If he really decides to become a technician, maybe he can carve out an every-down role, but right now he doesn't run routes well enough to be a top 20 WR pick. Plus, _how_ long did that foot bother him since the title game? Durability questions have been officially raised. He might be good in the return game, but bad teams drafting in the top 20 need more than a fragile Devin Hester.

Third is Russell. I believe he'll be a starter in this league, but I could see him as a frustrating and inconsistent one who alternates between playing like the best in the league and one of the worst in the league, maybe in the same series. One thing I know for sure is that this year's Russell would rank behind last year's Young, Leinart, and Cutler on the same board, and for a guy to go #1 overall a year after the exact same version of the player wouldn't have been taken in the top 10 says he's overrated. Should he be taken in the first? You betcha. His potential at QB makes him worth it. But #1 overall? Hmmmm.

 

[LHUCKS]

Levi Brown tops the list for me. He could go as high as 8,

Actually he could go #5 to the Cards...Wisenhunt stated yesterday on sports talk radio that Brown is one of their top rated offensive lineman and he also stated they have not heard any calls regarding a trade up to their draft position...don't be surprised if the Cards reach on Brown.

 

[jurb26]

Next is Ginn. In my mind, you're getting a bad carbon copy of half of Reggie Bush. If he really decides to become a technician, maybe he can carve out an every-down role, but right now he doesn't run routes well enough to be a top 20 WR pick. Plus, _how_ long did that foot bother him since the title game? Durability questions have been officially raised. He might be good in the return game, but bad teams drafting in the top 20 need more than a fragile Devin Hester.

Ginn did decide to become a technician last year and spent tons of time polishing his routes. They improved by leaps and bounds in 2006 because of it. Ginn has only played WR for 3 years. The foot is a non-issue. Would you have rather he rushed the foot and only made it worse and then reports to camp with the problem? Ginn did the right thing with the foot. Even still, he impressed scouts while running at 75% at his individual work out. Seems a lot of people are reaching for reasons not to like Ginn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Levi Brown tops the list for me. He could go as high as 8,

Actually he could go #5 to the Cards...Wisenhunt stated yesterday on sports talk radio that Brown is one of their top rated offensive lineman and he also stated they have not heard any calls regarding a trade up to their draft position...don't be surprised if the Cards reach on Brown.

Cutting a big, slow experienced left tackle to draft a big, slow inexperienced left tackle.No wonder the Cardinals have a bad case of foreversuck.

 

[JohnnyU]

I guess I'm in the minority thinking Russell will make a good NFL QB..albeit after a year or two carrying a clipboard.

Tedd Ginn is one I see as over-rated. The guy's TINY! He might make a decent return man (ala Hester), but I doubt he makes any significant impact as a receiver. Some safety is going to behead the guy.

Ted Ginn Jr - 6'0" 175 lbsMarvin Harrison - 6'0" 185 lbs

I can see Ginn gaining 10 lbs.

 

[WhoDat]

Quinn

G. Adams

R. Nelson

 

[Marc Faletti]

Next is Ginn. In my mind, you're getting a bad carbon copy of half of Reggie Bush. If he really decides to become a technician, maybe he can carve out an every-down role, but right now he doesn't run routes well enough to be a top 20 WR pick. Plus, _how_ long did that foot bother him since the title game? Durability questions have been officially raised. He might be good in the return game, but bad teams drafting in the top 20 need more than a fragile Devin Hester.

Ginn did decide to become a technician last year and spent tons of time polishing his routes. They improved by leaps and bounds in 2006 because of it. Ginn has only played WR for 3 years. The foot is a non-issue. Would you have rather he rushed the foot and only made it worse and then reports to camp with the problem? Ginn did the right thing with the foot. Even still, he impressed scouts while running at 75% at his individual work out. Seems a lot of people are reaching for reasons not to like Ginn.

If Ginn really did try to become a technician, then I am even more alarmed. You'll struggle to find a scout who claims routes/technique are a strength for him, and if that's even after he spent a year trying to make it a strength, that's a bad sign.Also, it took him, what, 3 months to get to 75% on the foot? He'd practically have missed the whole NFL season if the same thing happened in week 1, and as I recall (could be wrong here), it wasn't supposed to be a 12 week type of injury.Not reaching at all for reasons to be concerned, IMHO. Anyone can be wrong in this speculative process, but I don't think it's wacky to be down on Ginn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Also, it took him, what, 3 months to get to 75% on the foot? He'd practically have missed the whole NFL season if the same thing happened in week 1, and as I recall (could be wrong here), it wasn't supposed to be a 12 week type of injury.

Was it ever actually said what the injury was? I'm willing to bet it was a high ankle sprain. If it was, there's no wonder it's taken this long to heal.

 

[jurb26]

Next is Ginn. In my mind, you're getting a bad carbon copy of half of Reggie Bush. If he really decides to become a technician, maybe he can carve out an every-down role, but right now he doesn't run routes well enough to be a top 20 WR pick. Plus, _how_ long did that foot bother him since the title game? Durability questions have been officially raised. He might be good in the return game, but bad teams drafting in the top 20 need more than a fragile Devin Hester.

Ginn did decide to become a technician last year and spent tons of time polishing his routes. They improved by leaps and bounds in 2006 because of it. Ginn has only played WR for 3 years. The foot is a non-issue. Would you have rather he rushed the foot and only made it worse and then reports to camp with the problem? Ginn did the right thing with the foot. Even still, he impressed scouts while running at 75% at his individual work out. Seems a lot of people are reaching for reasons not to like Ginn.

If Ginn really did try to become a technician, then I am even more alarmed. You'll struggle to find a scout who claims routes/technique are a strength for him, and if that's even after he spent a year trying to make it a strength, that's a bad sign.Also, it took him, what, 3 months to get to 75% on the foot? He'd practically have missed the whole NFL season if the same thing happened in week 1, and as I recall (could be wrong here), it wasn't supposed to be a 12 week type of injury.Not reaching at all for reasons to be concerned, IMHO. Anyone can be wrong in this speculative process, but I don't think it's wacky to be down on Ginn.

It's not wacky to be down on any player. It is wacky to not gather all the information and understand them however. I'm providing you with some information that it seems you hadn't known regarding Ginn. It doesn't seem any of it will matter as you've already made up your mind anyway.

 

[LHUCKS]

have opinions changed?