Top 5 Receivers from now going forward (1 Viewer)

[Holy Schneikes]

lol @ santana moss being top 5.....lol

Just out of curiosity, were you LOLing in 2005 when he was #3 and put up 1500 yards?Moss has always had the talent, he just hasn't had the system and/or supporting cast. It LOOKS like he has those things this year. He's getting targets and red zone opps.Why is it so crazy to think he might continue to do well? Personally, I think it's a little crazy that so few people even consider him for top 5 going forward, when he is top 5 right now, and has been top 5 for a complete season before.

 

[Marc Levin]

The problem with SMoss has been consistency.

Top-5 is a slight stretch for me because of that factor - but nothing to LOL at. We really don't know exactly how far Zorn and Campbell can propel S Moss.

 

[Jayrod]

This thread caught my eye as I've just been offered Edwards and Galloway for Colston.Edwards is nowhere to be seen on any of the lists in this thread.

I'm still praying Braylon turns it around, but I'm not very optimistic.My top 5 forward:1) Marshall2) Steve Smith3) Fitzgerald4) Jennings5) Boldin

 

[Holy Schneikes]

The problem with SMoss has been consistency.Top-5 is a slight stretch for me because of that factor - but nothing to LOL at. We really don't know exactly how far Zorn and Campbell can propel S Moss.

That's the problem with EVERY WR who isn't ridiculously good. The better the season, the more "consistent" it seems to be. For example, despite his reputation, in 2005, Moss was one of the most "consistent" guys in the league. He had only one game with less than 50 yards receiving.Steve Smith, who was #1 that year, had 4 games with less than 50 yards (he had EIGHT last year, and he's in most people top 5 right now). Chad Johnson had 1, Fitzgerald had 4. Those are all guys whose "consistency" no one seemed to have a problem with (at least going into this year).Receivers are pretty much inconsistent by nature. The only difference is some of them get the label and some don't. IMO, consistency is CONSISTENTLY weighted way too heavily in evaluating receivers, particularly since it almost always INCONSISTENTLY applied.

 

[Jambi]

This thread caught my eye as I've just been offered Edwards and Galloway for Colston.

Edwards is nowhere to be seen on any of the lists in this thread.

I'm still praying Braylon turns it around, but I'm not very optimistic.My top 5 forward:

1) Marshall

2) Steve Smith

3) Fitzgerald

4) Jennings

5) Boldin

All over Wayne? I'm not seeing it. Maybe one of them.

 

[Marc Levin]

The problem with SMoss has been consistency.Top-5 is a slight stretch for me because of that factor - but nothing to LOL at. We really don't know exactly how far Zorn and Campbell can propel S Moss.

That's the problem with EVERY WR who isn't ridiculously good. The better the season, the more "consistent" it seems to be. For example, despite his reputation, in 2005, Moss was one of the most "consistent" guys in the league. He had only one game with less than 50 yards receiving.Steve Smith, who was #1 that year, had 4 games with less than 50 yards (he had EIGHT last year, and he's in most people top 5 right now). Chad Johnson had 1, Fitzgerald had 4. Those are all guys whose "consistency" no one seemed to have a problem with (at least going into this year).Receivers are pretty much inconsistent by nature. The only difference is some of them get the label and some don't. IMO, consistency is CONSISTENTLY weighted way too heavily in evaluating receivers, particularly since it almost always INCONSISTENTLY applied.

I am talking drops and target to catch ratio. The last two years, his catch ratio hovered around 52-53% after his Jets days when he was a 62% guy. In his Pro Bowl year, he caught 62.6% of his targets. This year? He is dead on 62.7% catch percentile. If he maintains that number, he could be top-5. If he starts dropping balls and falls to his career average catch percentage, he will be the inconsistent S Moss I am talking about.Re: your other point about inconsistency, all you have to do is look at his game logs to see what I meant - he would artificially inflate his EOY numbers by having 2-3 blow-up games. Between 2006 and 2007, he had exactly 7 games with double digit standard FPs - and 55 and 61 catches each year is not significant in PPR leagues. That is not "typical inconsistency" that we see in other top-12 WRs.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

The problem with SMoss has been consistency.Top-5 is a slight stretch for me because of that factor - but nothing to LOL at. We really don't know exactly how far Zorn and Campbell can propel S Moss.

That's the problem with EVERY WR who isn't ridiculously good. The better the season, the more "consistent" it seems to be. For example, despite his reputation, in 2005, Moss was one of the most "consistent" guys in the league. He had only one game with less than 50 yards receiving.Steve Smith, who was #1 that year, had 4 games with less than 50 yards (he had EIGHT last year, and he's in most people top 5 right now). Chad Johnson had 1, Fitzgerald had 4. Those are all guys whose "consistency" no one seemed to have a problem with (at least going into this year).Receivers are pretty much inconsistent by nature. The only difference is some of them get the label and some don't. IMO, consistency is CONSISTENTLY weighted way too heavily in evaluating receivers, particularly since it almost always INCONSISTENTLY applied.

I am talking drops and target to catch ratio. The last two years, his catch ratio hovered around 52-53% after his Jets days when he was a 62% guy. In his Pro Bowl year, he caught 62.6% of his targets. This year? He is dead on 62.7% catch percentile. If he maintains that number, he could be top-5. If he starts dropping balls and falls to his career average catch percentage, he will be the inconsistent S Moss I am talking about.Re: your other point about inconsistency, all you have to do is look at his game logs to see what I meant - he would artificially inflate his EOY numbers by having 2-3 blow-up games. Between 2006 and 2007, he had exactly 7 games with double digit standard FPs - and 55 and 61 catches each year is not significant in PPR leagues. That is not "typical inconsistency" that we see in other top-12 WRs.

I did look at his game logs, and you are right, he had some big games that inflated his season. But guess what - so did the other top receivers that year (again, Steve Smith is a prime example that no one has a problem ranking highly) and in most years. That's my issue, the vast majority of good/great seasons by any receivers are composed of a few stinkers, a bunch of "average/solid" games, and two or three mega-games. So the week-to-week consistency just isn't that big of an issue for me. Randy Moss 2007-type seasons are pretty hard to come by.But now you are also talking about year to year consistency, which is a different animal. Moss hasn't had a great year since '05. Can't argue that. But the question is why, and has whatever was causing the poor production changed.As far as catch % goes, I'm not sure it has a whole lot to do with what most folks consider "consistency". There are a lot of things that go into that number that have nothing to do with the receiver's skill. QB/system are huge factors right off the bat. Also, "deep threat" receivers tend to have lower numbers there as well obviously (while their YPC is typically higher). Owens is catching less than half of the balls thrown to him so far this year (and has historically had pretty low numbers in this area), and no one is dropping him for that. Calvin Johnson, who I am seeing a lot on the lists is right around 50% this year and was even worse last year. D Bowe is at 46%. Think that has anything to do with his QBs and his team?Bottom line is that Moss has talent, and is getting lots of targets and lots of red zone opps. He has shown in his career that when given those opportunities, he produces. I wouldn't call him a lock to be top 5, just because it's hard to be sure the Skins can keep it up. But if the Skins DO keep it up, I think Moss will keep up his end of the bargain for fantasy owners.

 

[ultimatefootballnetwork]

1) Marshall

2) Megatron

3) TO

4) Steve Smith

5) Fitz

Followed by-

Wayne (I think the Colts are cooked)

Andre Johnson (still plenty of targets and faced good defenses so far)

Greg Jennings (need to see Rodgers throw)

Boldin

Plex

Other guys I like going forward

Roddy White

Cotchery

Bowe

Colston(?)

 

[MogusMaximus]

TOS SmithAJWayneBowe

...............Bowe instead of Marshall? What are you, high?

 

[Jayrod]

This thread caught my eye as I've just been offered Edwards and Galloway for Colston.

Edwards is nowhere to be seen on any of the lists in this thread.

I'm still praying Braylon turns it around, but I'm not very optimistic.My top 5 forward:

1) Marshall

2) Steve Smith

3) Fitzgerald

4) Jennings

5) Boldin

All over Wayne? I'm not seeing it. Maybe one of them.

I just don't see Indy really turning it around without establishing more of a running game. I think ARI lives and dies on Warner's arm and will be behind a lot. I think Steve Smith plays like an animal the rest of the year and Jennings is just on fire right now.

 

[the_future420]

TOS SmithAJWayneBowe

...............Bowe instead of Marshall? What are you, high?

Any list that doesnt have Marshall listed first, I pretty much ignored.