Top 6 WRs going into next yr (1 Viewer)

[H.K.]

Seriously? You're going to use Cutler's first 2 games to project 2007?

Ok then. I hope more people do.

BTW, I assumed you were fishing by the system comment. IIRC, Walker was top 5 before they switched to Cutler.

OK, your post tells me two critical things:1) You don't play in PPR, because Walker was not Top 5 through Week 12.

2) With Cutler at QB, Walker has had a monumental drop in production and value.

If you want to waste an early round pick on Walker and bank on him being top 5 next year with Cutler at QB, that's your business.

 

[Synthesizer]

I don't think I will ever understand the Chad Johnson luv affair ...The guy is always overrated and apparently now more than ever.through the first 9 games of the season he was considered one of the biggest busts of the draft ...Then he has 2 ridiculously good games and all of a sudden he is the best WR in football.14 games total so far this year12 games 797 yds total (66 yds per game Avg) and 2 TDs 2 Best Games 450 yds total and 5 TdsSmith HoltTO Fitz CJ

First, take a look at the game logs for CJ the last 4 years. Very consistent for a WR. And he's even followed up those 2 big games with 3 games with about 100 ypg. Solid.Second, take out the big games this year from all of the WRs in the league and you'll see a similar story as CJ. Holt week 6 (154 and 3 TDs), Owens week 6 (3 TDs), and well Fitz hasn't even had 1 big game the whole year.

 

[Yitbos69]

1) CJ

2) SS

3) Holt

4) Boldin

5) Roy

6) A.Johnson

 

[mlball77]

1. Chad Johnson

2. Torry Holt

3. Steve Smith

4. Reggie Wayne

5. Larry Fitzgerald

6. Anquan Boldin

Really, I feel there are about 10-12 guys that are all very close and could fall into the top 6 for next year (in terms of projections).

 

[-OZ-]

Seriously? You're going to use Cutler's first 2 games to project 2007?

Ok then. I hope more people do.

BTW, I assumed you were fishing by the system comment. IIRC, Walker was top 5 before they switched to Cutler.

OK, your post tells me two critical things:1) You don't play in PPR, because Walker was not Top 5 through Week 12.

2) With Cutler at QB, Walker has had a monumental drop in production and value.

If you want to waste an early round pick on Walker and bank on him being top 5 next year with Cutler at QB, that's your business.

1) actually, yes I do. Maybe it was week 11 or 10, I don't check the top performers every week, just when checking on something. 2) monumental drop for 2 games. It happens. You wouldn't have, but if you happened to remember my posts about Walker with Cutler, I predicted he would drop off for a few games, then as Cutler develops, JW will produce at or above his level with Plummer.

Besides, the post you responded to, prompting this discussion was:

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

The key being if Cutler gets rolling. I think he will, he obviously isn't at his prime yet.

 

[H.K.]

1) actually, yes I do. Maybe it was week 11 or 10, I don't check the top performers every week, just when checking on something.

2) monumental drop for 2 games. It happens. You wouldn't have, but if you happened to remember my posts about Walker with Cutler, I predicted he would drop off for a few games, then as Cutler develops, JW will produce at or above his level with Plummer.

Besides, the post you responded to, prompting this discussion was:

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

The key being if Cutler gets rolling. I think he will, he obviously isn't at his prime yet.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong on point #1, most people around here don't do that. Also, everyone knew Walker was FF death as soon as Cutler was given the reins in Denver, obviously myself included. However, there has been no indication that Cutler will get better, he's looked abysmal so far, and hasn't even had a 200 yard game yet.Consider the following since Cutler took over:

1) As a team the Broncos have attempted one pass attempt to a WR in the red zone.

2) Walker has received zero red zone targets

3) Walker has had his worst consecutive two game stretch of the season by a wide margin

Ironically, most people say things can only get better, but I look for them to get much, much worse. Right now Cutler has a free pass because he is a rookie with no experience, but next year people will expect him to improve and he'll start to force things and really go in the tank. There is a down side to Walker that is just now starting to scratch the surface.

 

[-OZ-]

1) actually, yes I do. Maybe it was week 11 or 10, I don't check the top performers every week, just when checking on something.

2) monumental drop for 2 games. It happens. You wouldn't have, but if you happened to remember my posts about Walker with Cutler, I predicted he would drop off for a few games, then as Cutler develops, JW will produce at or above his level with Plummer.

Besides, the post you responded to, prompting this discussion was:

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

The key being if Cutler gets rolling. I think he will, he obviously isn't at his prime yet.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong on point #1, most people around here don't do that. Also, everyone knew Walker was FF death as soon as Cutler was given the reins in Denver, obviously myself included. However, there has been no indication that Cutler will get better, he's looked abysmal so far, and hasn't even had a 200 yard game yet.Consider the following since Cutler took over:

1) As a team the Broncos have attempted one pass attempt to a WR in the red zone.

2) Walker has received zero red zone targets

3) Walker has had his worst consecutive two game stretch of the season by a wide margin

Ironically, most people say things can only get better, but I look for them to get much, much worse. Right now Cutler has a free pass because he is a rookie with no experience, but next year people will expect him to improve and he'll start to force things and really go in the tank. There is a down side to Walker that is just now starting to scratch the surface.

Agree to disagree?Where do you rank JW for 2007? we'll just have to bump this next year and see who's closer.

 

[H.K.]

1) actually, yes I do. Maybe it was week 11 or 10, I don't check the top performers every week, just when checking on something.

2) monumental drop for 2 games. It happens. You wouldn't have, but if you happened to remember my posts about Walker with Cutler, I predicted he would drop off for a few games, then as Cutler develops, JW will produce at or above his level with Plummer.

Besides, the post you responded to, prompting this discussion was:

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

The key being if Cutler gets rolling. I think he will, he obviously isn't at his prime yet.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong on point #1, most people around here don't do that. Also, everyone knew Walker was FF death as soon as Cutler was given the reins in Denver, obviously myself included. However, there has been no indication that Cutler will get better, he's looked abysmal so far, and hasn't even had a 200 yard game yet.Consider the following since Cutler took over:

1) As a team the Broncos have attempted one pass attempt to a WR in the red zone.

2) Walker has received zero red zone targets

3) Walker has had his worst consecutive two game stretch of the season by a wide margin

Ironically, most people say things can only get better, but I look for them to get much, much worse. Right now Cutler has a free pass because he is a rookie with no experience, but next year people will expect him to improve and he'll start to force things and really go in the tank. There is a down side to Walker that is just now starting to scratch the surface.

Agree to disagree?Where do you rank JW for 2007? we'll just have to bump this next year and see who's closer.

Tough call, somewhere between the high 40's and low 60's. I don't care how talented a guy is, if his QB doesn't or can't get him the ball, all else is moot.

 

[-OZ-]

1) actually, yes I do. Maybe it was week 11 or 10, I don't check the top performers every week, just when checking on something.

2) monumental drop for 2 games. It happens. You wouldn't have, but if you happened to remember my posts about Walker with Cutler, I predicted he would drop off for a few games, then as Cutler develops, JW will produce at or above his level with Plummer.

Besides, the post you responded to, prompting this discussion was:

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

The key being if Cutler gets rolling. I think he will, he obviously isn't at his prime yet.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong on point #1, most people around here don't do that. Also, everyone knew Walker was FF death as soon as Cutler was given the reins in Denver, obviously myself included. However, there has been no indication that Cutler will get better, he's looked abysmal so far, and hasn't even had a 200 yard game yet.Consider the following since Cutler took over:

1) As a team the Broncos have attempted one pass attempt to a WR in the red zone.

2) Walker has received zero red zone targets

3) Walker has had his worst consecutive two game stretch of the season by a wide margin

Ironically, most people say things can only get better, but I look for them to get much, much worse. Right now Cutler has a free pass because he is a rookie with no experience, but next year people will expect him to improve and he'll start to force things and really go in the tank. There is a down side to Walker that is just now starting to scratch the surface.

Agree to disagree?Where do you rank JW for 2007? we'll just have to bump this next year and see who's closer.

Tough call, somewhere between the high 40's and low 60's. I don't care how talented a guy is, if his QB doesn't or can't get him the ball, all else is moot.

Did Cutler steal your girlfriend, sleep with your sister, or both?

 

[H.K.]

Did Cutler steal your girlfriend, sleep with your sister, or both?

Neither. Look, this one is all about numbers. Walker is good for about 3 cathes and thirty yards a game with Cutler at QB. This is undisputable fact based on his actual statistics. Given that we know this average, just extrapolate it and compare it to past performances and see where to rank Walker among WRs.Walker is probably going to catch between 45-50 balls with Cutler at QB next year and put up around 550 yards. While it hasn't happened this season (nor will it), I think Shanny will eventually force Cutler to throw to Walker in the red zone, so he'll get a TD or two eventually. Based on those projections which are exactly what Walker has produced with Cutler (and my taking a leap of faith that he can actually score a TD next year), then Walker is good for about 100-115 or so points in PPR....given some variance in health and other factors, Javon is perfectly slotted in the high 40's to somewhere in the 60's. Pretty simple stuff really.

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

1. Fitzgerald2. Johnson3. Owens4. Wayne5. Smith6. Driver

Hes right....maybe not in that order...but hes right.

 

[-OZ-]

Did Cutler steal your girlfriend, sleep with your sister, or both?

Neither. Look, this one is all about numbers. Walker is good for about 3 cathes and thirty yards a game with Cutler at QB. This is undisputable fact based on his actual statistics. Given that we know this average, just extrapolate it and compare it to past performances and see where to rank Walker among WRs.

Walker is probably going to catch between 45-50 balls with Cutler at QB next year and put up around 550 yards. While it hasn't happened this season (nor will it), I think Shanny will eventually force Cutler to throw to Walker in the red zone, so he'll get a TD or two eventually.

Based on those projections which are exactly what Walker has produced with Cutler (and my taking a leap of faith that he can actually score a TD next year), then Walker is good for about 100-115 or so points in PPR....given some variance in health and other factors, Javon is perfectly slotted in the high 40's to somewhere in the 60's. Pretty simple stuff really.

Good schtick. Or just plain stupid, I'm no longer sure which.

 

[Chaz]

First off, thanks for getting a list like this going

On to the rankings...Last season, I beleive there were four players in that top tier (Holt, Smith, CJ and Fitz), arguably five with Boldin.

It looks like we've got a much more crowded top tier next season, up to 8 or so who are legitimate #1's. As far as to what this means for building a team, I see it as more likely to go with a balanced approach between WR and RB. This past season, I grabbed two of the top WRs in a couple of leagues and felt I was then pretty dominant in that area (I was). To do the same next year would not get an owner the separation at the position that one would need by going WR-WR.

 

[H.K.]

Good schtick. Or just plain stupid, I'm no longer sure which.

You've seen enough of my posts to figure that out by now.(hint: I'm stupid)

 

[Chaz]

Trying to stay on track here...

Given the players listed in the top tier, I don't see much mention of Marvin Harrison. He could be one of those guys who really represent good value next season due to how far he may fall. Kind of like Brady in that he is a solid player who may fall under the radar of most owners due to other, more "glamorous" names emerging. Realistically, he could be a third round WR1 for someone and allow that owner to get two good RBs without falling too far behind the WR race.

This kind of goes against my recent post on how to handle the WRs next season, but I've still got some time to sort it all out :X

 

[thatguy]

1A. Torry Holt - A beast. Even with a few more dropped balls than last year, Bulger getting pounded on and overall just a worse time all around... he's still 3rd in total points and in the top 5 for PPG. The last time he finished outside of the T10 of WR corps is in 2002. This is the kind of player you pick until he falls off the cliff, because every year people try to justify reasons to take riskier picks and he keeps chugging along giving you WR#1 points with no thought required.

1B. Steve Smith - Smith always has has had the top PPG this year (Finish in the T3 at least) and last year. Even with 6 less TD's thus far, he's put up great numbers and is still easily in the T10 WR this year. The only guy I'd even consider before Holt, because if Smith doesn't tweak his hammy he has the same kind of consistency with slightly more upside.

3. Chad Johnson - I don't really buy the consistency argument. Guy has finished as the 3rd, 9th and 4th highest WR in the last 3 years. He's on pace to finish in the top 3 this year. He's had 8 games this season where he's gotten 9 points or more. And in 5 games he's gotten 13 or more. You're taking him this early because he gives you WR#1 numbers for half the season and like the above 2 guys, has games where he just explodes.

4. Larry Fitzgerald - He had a bad year due to injuries and a QB controversy, along with the complete depression that followed Arizona after losing to the Bears. With a season under his belt, I think Leinart puts Fitz and Boldin back in the top 10 lists again where they belong. I take Fitz, because I think he's slightly more talented and even when he was injured and Boldin was the main go-to guy left; he still only ended up with 200 more yards than Fitz.

5. Javon Walker - If Cutler gets his **** together by next season, I see no reason why Walker can't finish in the top 5. He's made some great grabs from Plummer, who was hardly with it and is the main receiving threat on his team.

6A. Marques Colston - Completely an upside pick, as for all we know he falls off the map next year like Clayton and other promising WR in their 2nd year, I've been really impressed from what I saw of him. Then you look at his stats and think what could've been if he hadn't gotten the ankle injury. Brees is a good QB and Colston was getting his even when the ball was being spread around.

Consider this: In the 9 games he was fully healthy, he scored 9 or more points in 8 of them. He scored 15+ in 4. His PPG during his healthy games was 14.3.

6B. Reggie Wayne - You should know why. Some guy named Peyton.

Honorable mentions go to TJ Housh, Burress and D-Jax.

Last season Boldin missed something like two and a half games to injury, and ended up with as many receptions and yards as Fitz. Granted, Leinart is in now which changes things, but I'm just sayin'. While I think Fitz is the safer pick of the two, I think Boldin could easily end up with more fantasy points.

I couldn't see myself taking Colston in the top ten next year. Granted he has done a great job this year while healthy, I just couldn't take him over players like ROY and Andre Johnson. In fact, I;d have a hard time taking Javon Walker over these guys as well. Your rankings here should reflect if you were in a draft and both players were available......who would you take. If you take Colston I'm not saying your wrong, that's your descion. I'm just saying it might look better on paper thatn actually doing it in that minute.

You talkin' to me?

 

[-OZ-]

Look, this one is all about numbers. Walker is good for about 3 cathes and thirty yards a game with Cutler at QB. This is undisputable fact based on his actual statistics. Given that we know this average, just extrapolate it and compare it to past performances and see where to rank Walker among WRs.Walker is probably going to catch between 45-50 balls with Cutler at QB next year and put up around 550 yards. While it hasn't happened this season (nor will it), I think Shanny will eventually force Cutler to throw to Walker in the red zone, so he'll get a TD or two eventually. Based on those projections which are exactly what Walker has produced with Cutler (and my taking a leap of faith that he can actually score a TD next year), then Walker is good for about 100-115 or so points in PPR....given some variance in health and other factors, Javon is perfectly slotted in the high 40's to somewhere in the 60's. Pretty simple stuff really.