Top QBs in 2018 wonderlic scores leaked (1 Viewer)

[Bronco Billy]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/wonderlic-test-scores-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-baker-mayfield-josh-allen-rosen-2018/ybb46fv3x1ex1r4hj3l4j9gtb

Here's what he claims are the scores:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

An artcile on Medium did some research on quarterback scores and discovered, "There seems to be a sort of smartness threshold, where the best NFL quarterbacks need to be at least this smart to see success. But once a QB passes that threshold (around a score of 25), their additional smartness has little to no effect on success on the field."

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[Bronco Billy]

Jackson really starting to throw up some red flags.  The amalgam of not running a 40, being difficult to reach for interviews and visits, not using an agent, and now this on top of his accuracy issues has to make a person question him some.

 

[Boston]

Jackson really starting to throw up some red flags.  The amalgam of not running a 40, being difficult to reach for interviews and visits, not using an agent, and now this on top of his accuracy issues has to make a person question him some.

A rookie (especially a high-end prospect) without an agent is just stupid...very questionable decision...he is at a point in his career where he needs legit business guidance on so many levels...just do not see the benefit of this decision...

 

[Bronco Billy]

A rookie (especially a high-end prospect) without an agent is just stupid...very questionable decision...he is at a point in his career where he needs legit business guidance on so many levels...just do not see the benefit of this decision...

You have to think they are trying to pocket the commission, unless his mom is a really sharp contract lawyer.  I have a feeling it won’t end well for him.

ETA - he did hire a contract lawyer but his mom is acting as his representative manager.

 

[Boston]

You have to think they are trying to pocket the commission, unless his mom is a really sharp contract lawyer.  I have a feeling it won’t end well for him.

One bad line in that contract and he will lose more than he will save...bad decisions this time of the year can move him down a few slots which will also cost him...he just is not in a position to be winging it right now...

 

[menobrown]

One bad line in that contract and he will lose more than he will save...bad decisions this time of the year can move him down a few slots which will also cost him...he just is not in a position to be winging it right now...

Penny wise and pound foolish

 

[steelers1080]

It's not the contracts that are really the issue. The rookie contracts nowadays are very cookie cutter, and you just fall in line in between the contract ahead and in back of you in the draft.

The main issue is meeting with teams and having someone in your corner selling you to teams. Those other QBs have someone badgering teams 24/7 about how amazing their client is. His mom might be doing that, but she doesn't have the same connections.  There's a lot that goes into getting drafted, and having someone hold your hand through it is a huge help. We'll see how it works out for him in the end.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/wonderlic-test-scores-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-baker-mayfield-josh-allen-rosen-2018/ybb46fv3x1ex1r4hj3l4j9gtb

Here's what he claims are the scores:

Wonderlic scores for 2018 QBs

Josh Allen: 37

Josh Rosen: 29

Sam Darnold: 28

Baker Mayfield: 25

Lamar Jackson: 13

An artcile on Medium did some research on quarterback scores and discovered, "There seems to be a sort of smartness threshold, where the best NFL quarterbacks need to be at least this smart to see success. But once a QB passes that threshold (around a score of 25), their additional smartness has little to no effect on success on the field."

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There does seem to be some correlation but a low score isn't necessarily a death knell for a QB. Bradshaw, Favre, Marino, Jim Kelly all scored 22 or lower. Deshaun Watson and Derek Carr scored 20. That was just from a cursory search. 

 

[Dave Stauff]

Do we have an example of a successful NFL QB who score 13?  Just seems abnormally low for a position that requires absorbing a lot of complex information.

 

[Fool-on-Stoopid]

J George 10 McNabb 14 Marino 15 Bradshaw 16

https://www.si.com/nfl/photos/2013/02/25memorable-wonderlic-scores#17

 

[grateful zed]

how's terrell davis doing?

 

[mr roboto]

J George 10 McNabb 14 Marino 15 Bradshaw 16

https://www.si.com/nfl/photos/2013/02/25memorable-wonderlic-scores#17

The only one that surprises me on that list is Marino.

 

[mr roboto]

Is there a place to take this test somewhere for free online? I’d be fascinated to see what it’s like.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Is there a place to take this test somewhere for free online? I’d be fascinated to see what it’s like.

I had to take one for a job interview about a year ago. You get 12 minutes to answer 50 questions. Not hard. Basic math, spatial awareness, general knowledge questions. I'm sure there are tons of sample tests online. 

 

[squistion]

The only one that surprises me on that list is Marino.

Have you ever heard him in an interview or when he was on CBS Sports? He would never be mistaken for a Rhodes Scholar.

 

[Fool-on-Stoopid]

sample wonderlic

http://wonderlictestsample.com/

 

[zftcg]

There are plenty of reasons to worry about Jackson's pro prospects. His Wonderlic score isn't one of them.

 

[Bronco Billy]

There are plenty of reasons to worry about Jackson's pro prospects. His Wonderlic score isn't one of them.

So 13 is an okay score for a QB in your eyes?  

 

[Bronco Billy]

how's terrell davis doing?

Good one!

 

[gianmarco]

sample wonderlic

http://wonderlictestsample.com/

49/50. And I misclicked the wrong one.

 

[Osaurus]

Wyoming smart 

 

[dickey moe]

49/50. And I misclicked the wrong one.

But can you throw a football?

 

[gianmarco]

But can you throw a football?

Over them mountains...

 

[Bojang0301]

I don't understand why this test still occurs. I wouldn't take it if I was a prospect, the only thing it has is downside. No one cares if you're super intelligent only if you're below that 20 threshold and the NFL has never, ever, ever had this not leak. How about we have the NFL coaches and GM's take this test? How do you think Chuck Pagano, Matt Millen, Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams, John Fox, Marty Morhinwhig and on and on and on would do on this stupid ####### test. Then will have it magically leak. 

 

[Slider]

I think it's pretty valuable. If Lamar nailed a 37 or Allen got a 12, this would be important to a football executive. That it's the way it is probably confirms what most thought. Touchy subject but it's a test and these are average grades.

 

[Bojang0301]

Is the wonderlic valuable?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Is the wonderlic valuable?

Any info on guys that scored 15 or under? 

 

[Hankmoody]

One bad line in that contract and he will lose more than he will save...bad decisions this time of the year can move him down a few slots which will also cost him...he just is not in a position to be winging it right now...

There is nearly zero risk anymore. Rookie contracts are pre-determined, the only thing that can happen is he misses on chances for things like guarantees or offset - and that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

The bad decision is using his mom for the other stuff.  Agents only take 1% of rookie contracts, so maybe $200k.  One bad move, missed interview, off-putting press conference, and he loses a ton more than that dropping a single draft spot.  If Buffalo decides not to jump to 6 for him or Arizona chooses to stick at 15 rather than move up he's lost big-time.

 

[Boston]

There is nearly zero risk anymore. Rookie contracts are pre-determined, the only thing that can happen is he misses on chances for things like guarantees or offset - and that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

The bad decision is using his mom for the other stuff.  Agents only take 1% of rookie contracts, so maybe $200k.  One bad move, missed interview, off-putting press conference, and he loses a ton more than that dropping a single draft spot.  If Buffalo decides not to jump to 6 for him or Arizona chooses to stick at 15 rather than move up he's lost big-time.

While not what it once was you still need guidance on the contract and all that comes with it like insurance and overall finances for a kid going from nothing to a millionaire overnight...my buddy is an agent and most of the job is babysitting because these kids are so clueless at their age...no way anyone can come off the street and know how to do the right thing...he needs someone in his camp to direct him...the other stuff you are dead on on...

 

[Bronco Billy]

I don't understand why this test still occurs. I wouldn't take it if I was a prospect, the only thing it has is downside. No one cares if you're super intelligent only if you're below that 20 threshold and the NFL has never, ever, ever had this not leak. How about we have the NFL coaches and GM's take this test? How do you think Chuck Pagano, Matt Millen, Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams, John Fox, Marty Morhinwhig and on and on and on would do on this stupid ####### test. Then will have it magically leak. 

Have you tried the test?  It’s not terribly challenging, and these guys have allegedly been going to college at least a couple of years.  I’m guessing the majority of people posting here could manage 35/50 or better.  Refusal to take it would raise some serious red flags IMO, unless you provided something alternative like a certified IQ test or something.

There are certain hurdles young professionals have to deal with to give some insight into more than just base skills.  With people in my profession, it’s dealing with Calc ll, Physics ll, and Thermodynamics.  For pro football players its going through the measureables, including the Wonderlic. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

There is nearly zero risk anymore. Rookie contracts are pre-determined, the only thing that can happen is he misses on chances for things like guarantees or offset - and that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

The bad decision is using his mom for the other stuff.  Agents only take 1% of rookie contracts, so maybe $200k.  One bad move, missed interview, off-putting press conference, and he loses a ton more than that dropping a single draft spot.  If Buffalo decides not to jump to 6 for him or Arizona chooses to stick at 15 rather than move up he's lost big-time.

Salaries and years are pretty much set in stone.  There are all sorts of clauses that can be inserted into a contract, or not inserted, as each parties tries to give themselves additional protections or advantages.  Don’t underestimate the bad position that a certain clause or two could place a player in.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Is the wonderlic valuable?

That might be remotely meaningful if he could place some kind of reference around the arbitrary boundary scores he chose.  Maybe some statisical correlation (or lack thereof) between performance and block of scores?  Of course, that would take a bit more effort than a 15 minute google search for resources.

 

[Hankmoody]

While not what it once was you still need guidance on the contract and all that comes with it like insurance and overall finances for a kid going from nothing to a millionaire overnight...my buddy is an agent and most of the job is babysitting because these kids are so clueless at their age...no way anyone can come off the street and know how to do the right thing...he needs someone in his camp to direct him...the other stuff you are dead on on...

Salaries and years are pretty much set in stone.  There are all sorts of clauses that can be inserted into a contract, or not inserted, as each parties tries to give themselves additional protections or advantages.  Don’t underestimate the bad position that a certain clause or two could place a player in.

I must have edited out my comment, but I originally had something in there to the effect that the contract lawyer was a necessity, but they would have gotten that anyway with the agent.  They definitely need to not be signing the first thing offered to them unrepresented.

 

[Boston]

I must have edited out my comment, but I originally had something in there to the effect that the contract lawyer was a necessity, but they would have gotten that anyway with the agent.  They definitely need to not be signing the first thing offered to them unrepresented.

We are on the same page...I just don't seem what the upside (outside of the possibility of a little more short-term $) to this strategy is...this kid should be worrying about nothing but football and should have someone with experience guiding him thru this whole process...

 

[Ilov80s]

I would love to see the Wonderlic scores for the coaches and GMs. 

 

[rockaction]

I would love to see the Wonderlic scores for the coaches and GMs. 

Despite gianmarco's dominance of the Wonderlic, it's not easy.  

 

[Ilov80s]

Despite gianmarco's dominance of the Wonderlic, it's not easy.  

Regardless of it's difficulty or merit, the test results are supposed to be confidential but every year they leak and the NFL never does anything about it. 

 

[rockaction]

Regardless of it's difficulty or merit, the test results are supposed to be confidential but every year they leak and the NFL never does anything about it. 

It should be confidential, like any other IQ test.  

 

[Ilov80s]

It should be confidential, like any other IQ test.  

Yes, the NFL has just turned a bind eye to these things being leaked. It needs to be investigated like inflategate and the people leaking these need to be removed from the league. 

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Are the players told this is confidential?  If so, shame on the people that let this out.

Agree about Jackson.  He isn't doing the right things to make himself more appealing.  He may end up the lucky one though.  While the top QBs are going to scrub teams, he may fall to a team that doesn't stink.  And he may then end up with the better second contract - the one that matters.  I'm sure this isn't his plan.  But he may luck into it.