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Torry Holt's Luck Ran Out (1 Viewer)
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Mrskoal333
Footballguy
Hate to say it but at least Matrix knows his stuff.....unless you're Keerockin
You gotta be kidding. :wacko:Repressed Dennis
Footballguy
Looks like Torry sliced off another piece of his soul, and got his luck back for another week...Or maybe he's the real deal this year?? The red zone looks are coming, and Bulger is giving him the quality looks. Torry will be a top-3 receiver the rest of the year.Faulk ran for over 100 and Torry got me 21.4. Hold the doom & gloom talk for another week.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Faulk had an impressive day. Take out the long run on the 4th down play and he'd have 19 carries for 51 yards. He busts though a gaping hole, has the whole field to deal with and gets chased down from behind. Meanwhile Holt gets 120-1. Looks like your theory is shot to hell Bristol. Particularly with that 4 yard TD. Shouldn't that be Faulk territory according to your theory? Good call!! 
bentley
Footballguy
dude. give him time.he is probably watching ALL of the games...in fact, every play of every game at the local sports bar. a true shark realizes the underrated value of watching all the games.expect him back in a couple of hours with some brilliant commentary.BRISTOL....YO, BRISTOL WAKE UP!Come here and own up like a man if you are one.Once you are done...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see what Bristol's lastest rant will be.
Yeah, he is a real shark.dude. give him time.he is probably watching ALL of the games...in fact, every play of every game at the local sports bar. a true shark realizes the underrated value of watching all the games.expect him back in a couple of hours with some brilliant commentary.BRISTOL....YO, BRISTOL WAKE UP!Come here and own up like a man if you are one.Once you are done...
I agree with your statement about watching all the games.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Well Bristol, let the excuses begin. Lets hear em.Edited to add:BTW, a QB having a terrible night is not a paper thin arguement. Its kinda hard for a receiver to have a good night when their QB is sucking.
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Bristol
Footballguy
I'M BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND!!!Somehow I knew you smacked asses would bring this back to page one by the time I got home. You pole smokers can't wait to dump, can you?I'll take my lumps TODAY, but am still sticking with my beliefs. Holt will not be the the same receiver that he has been for the rest of the season, and he kind of wasn't today. In weeks before, without Faulk, the guy was all world catching multiple TD's every week and getting massive yards. With the return of Faulk over the past two weeks, hsi performance has taken a dip, and it's a dip that I see continuing.I am not going to hide behind the lame excuses that most of you gave last week about how tough the Ravens D was because I could just as easily say it was because how BAD the Bears are. But I am not, and will use the same line that most of you did last week: WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WEEK.BTW, how bout that Dom Davis???? I am right once again!! 
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Better go buy some more gum because right now you're not doin anything.
buck naked
Footballguy
Please, everyone stop responding to this thread because this is stupid. The dude's opinion was stupid from the beginning. Holt is showing that over and over. Please let this die.
RBM
Footballguy
Ha....You're a goof man...Cant help but just laugh at you anymoreAnd I wonder why you wont chalk it up to how bad the Bears are.....Hmm...maybe its because they are top 5 in the league against the pass....Absolutely hilariousI'M BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND!!!Somehow I knew you smacked asses would bring this back to page one by the time I got home. You pole smokers can't wait to dump, can you?I'll take my lumps TODAY, but am still sticking with my beliefs. Holt will not be the the same receiver that he has been for the rest of the season, and he kind of wasn't today. In weeks before, without Faulk, the guy was all world catching multiple TD's every week and getting massive yards. With the return of Faulk over the past two weeks, hsi performance has taken a dip, and it's a dip that I see continuing.I am not going to hide behind the lame excuses that most of you gave last week about how tough the Ravens D was because I could just as easily say it was because how BAD the Bears are. But I am not, and will use the same line that most of you did last week: WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WEEK.BTW, how bout that Dom Davis???? I am right once again!!
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The thing that makes Bristol so amusing is that he doesn't even SEE how much credibility he has lost in the last few weeks.He speaks, the FF world does the opposite, and we win.Bristol - 120+TD for Holt and 100 combined for Davis does nothing except prove the opposite of your points - you are so lame for not being able to admit that you are wrong. The respect level would shoot through the roof if you actually admitted what is in front of your face, but your persistence on touting your opinions in the face of WEEKS worth of being proved wrong takes your rep, respect and credibility through the floor.Too bad. You coulda been somebody, coulda been a contendor, instead . . .
JohnnyTitan
Footballguy
Piling on: Bristol is the biggest fraud since the Minnesota defence.
bentley
Footballguy
Bristol
Footballguy
Who has lost credibility? Not I!!Funny how this thread didn't get bumped until AFTER Holt played today. Any REAL man with a REAL sack would have bumped it long before the game started. I would have bumped it but I was gone most of the morning and just got home. I knew you sackless underlings would bump it to page one once it APPEARED that I was proven wrong.The case in point is that this debate will only be settled at the end of the season. We can go back and forth week after week with this. Let's wait until the season ends and compare Holt's numbers with Faulk to without and I GUARANTEE that they will be WORSE with Faulk back.P.S.Thanks for the fan club and support ***la. Looks like I am the runaway victor!!! Thanks!!
Funny how...Who has lost credibility? Not I!!Funny how this thread didn't get bumped until AFTER Holt played today. Any REAL man with a REAL sack would have bumped it long before the game started. I would have bumped it but I was gone most of the morning and just got home. I knew you sackless underlings would bump it to page one once it APPEARED that I was proven wrong.The case in point is that this debate will only be settled at the end of the season. We can go back and forth week after week with this. Let's wait until the season ends and compare Holt's numbers with Faulk to without and I GUARANTEE that they will be WORSE with Faulk back.P.S.Thanks for the fan club and support ***la. Looks like I am the runaway victor!!! Thanks!!
Hmmm...okay, so you said back then Holt would become a marginal receiver who doesn't catch TDs because of Bulger. Those are your words. Nothing about Faulk.His stat line the next game: 10/26 @Pittsburgh 7/174/1Then you came back and said "Holt's production will decline beginning this week!"His stat line the next game: 11/02 @San Francisco 11/200/1Then you came back and said "Uhhhh, I meant when Faulk comes back and starts he'll revert to 5/80/0". You changed your original argument to suit your prediction. No more talk of Bulger's bad back.His stat line the next game: 11/09 Baltimore 3/38/0 Unsurprisingly, you then started a thread gloating about your prediction. Wow, a good three weeks after advising everyone to trade him, he finally had a sub-par game in a contest where the entire Rams offense was shut down by the Ravens.This week: 11/16 Chicago 9/124/1Holt averaged 24.5 points per game (my league) upto Oct 21 when you made your first prediction. He has averaged 25 points per game since then. No decline in performance here, he's actually improved his game average.So now you say let's wait until the end of the season. There you go - that's whatever credibility you had left out the window. In my book, your cred was already shot long ago. By the law of averages, you should have hit on a few predictions. Congratulations, you have defied the law of averages!
More to the point - instead of whether Holt 'comes back to earth' or 'Faulk returns' - is the issue of Bulger not going through his progressions. Martz alluded to that last week after the Ravens game, and you saw some of it this week. Bulger has started to lock on to Holt and force the ball into coverage. This will either be corrected - dropping Holt's numbers - or Martz will replace Bulger with Warner (same effect, possibly for a different reason). Not an argument against starting Holt - he's emerged as a true #1 WR - but you saw the Rams pass better as soon as the Bears started to respect the run (Faulk). Faulk's presence should help the overall Rams passing numbers; Bulger going through his reads properly will probably hurt Holt. Net effect? Your guess on a week-to-week basis is as good as mine (or FBG's). JMHO.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Dude.... you make little sense. Who the hell (other than matrix) posts a counterpoint in a thread, and bumps it again before the game?... give the backpedaling a rest.
Case in point to how you obstinately won't admit you are wrong in the face of being wrong. Bristol would comment on the strange color of the rain while you stand there peeing on his head.
Here is what I said in the "other" thread on this subject:
"JK - Bristol, I suspect you will be eating crow tomorrow afternoon - I will raise this post tomorrow evening to see how we all did with our predictions."
True to my word I bumped that thread (and linked to it in this one). This one was already bumped, so comments about your cred. stock falling seemed appropriate here, too.
As the dearly departed Frank Zappa might have said about Bristol: "You thought he was a man but he only was a muffin." Sorry for all the saccharine sweet way of making my point here, but I'm trying to maintain the "be excellent to each other" edict with someone who is as pig-headed as a side of bacon.
Funny enough, if he admitted he was wrong about just these two players (Holt and DD), we would forget about his miscalls on Portis, McNair, and a host of others this year and simply respect that he admitted he was wrong.
Sad that he insists on being a muffin.
Since you do, might as well highlight one of your "so intelligent" comments in that other thread:
The funny thing is that a jury of Bristol's peers (in other words, us) are the judges of whether someone has, or doesn't have, credibility. You can't argue with the folks who have decided that you lost credibility that you actually have not lost it because we have already decided you lost it, and that judgment is final, no appeal.Funniest part about it, as I have said, if you simply faced the fact that you were 100% wrong on both DD and Holt, you would have instant credibility back. If you don't believe you were wrong on those two players for this year, then you will never get your cred back.
Quoting Shakespeare now: I believe the man protests too much.
It isn't losing face to make mistakes, but you can lose a ton of it in your behavior after you make mistakes.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Glad to see that you are a fan of my work
None of those statements have been proven wrong. I shot you down on the last Holt thread. Please refer to that for clarification. Thanks for playing!!
Funny, I thought he was right on, 1 for 5, and if Faulk starts plays the entire game next week and Holt gets 120 and 2 TD's you are going to be 0-fer....
Either way, any prediction you make will be mocked and ridiculed. Even if the next prediction is right, it will just be the exception to the rule.....The good news is that there are other boards out there for you to make your, 'predictions.'
None of those statements have been proven wrong. I shot you down on the last Holt thread. Please refer to that for clarification. Thanks for playing!!
Funny, I thought he was right on, 1 for 5, and if Faulk starts plays the entire game next week and Holt gets 120 and 2 TD's you are going to be 0-fer....
I said wait till after the game on Sunday last week. Was I supposed to repeat myself over and over again before the game. No, that's redundant. What the hell else was I supposed to say before the game....Holt got 120 and a TD. Sorry not 2 TD performance, but then a WR that scores 2 every game would set the record for TD's in a season at WR.
Either way, any prediction you make will be mocked and ridiculed. Even if the next prediction is right, it will just be the exception to the rule.....The good news is that there are other boards out there for you to make your, 'predictions.'
Another gem. Since you are also the draft master now, let's take a look at your 15K roster and explanation (that you posted Sept 2):QB Warner,Green,HolcombRB Garner,O. Smith,Staley,HearstWR Burress,Booker,Driver,Tim Brown,Streets,MortonTE Rieresma,T. JohnsonK. Christie,M. AndersenDEF Chiefs,SaintsTheory:I looked at hot spots in the schedules that would allow players to maximize their values playing bad teams and/or bad defenses. I looked for players that would help me in four game streches and tried to overlap as much as possible to maximize value.QB: Warner has a WHOPPING 9 GAMES against piss poor talent. Green whole season is ok, but finishes the season (when it counts) against some real cupcakes. Holcomb doesn't really have any hot spots but at 2 bucks, who cares!!RB: Garner's "injury" worries me a little bit but the Raiders play 7 realtively easy games in the middle of the season. O. Smith has 4 games at the end of the season that are pretty easy. By that time he should be the unquestioned starter. Staley was a cheap 5 bucks and his receiving stats will help pad the numbers until O. Smith comes around. No real easy schedule for Staley. I originally has Barlow instead of Hearst until I heard about the Hearst starting. He was 9 bucks cheaper than Barlow and will probably get equal numbers plus he has 6 games against easy defenses W3 to W6 and again W14 and W15 when it will count.WR: Same theories here. Burress plays a strech of games from W9 to W12 where he plays some pretty bad defenses. Booker may be the most undervalued player in this game. Whoever didn't put him on their team lost out. he has an easy schedule from W6 to W8. Driver will carry me through the first 6 weeks where GB has an cupcake schedule. Had Bruce here instead of Driver, but took him out at the last minute. For Morton (see T. Green above). For Tim Brown (see Garner above). For Streets (see Hearst above).TE: Rierisma may be the steal at TE. He didn't fit well in the Bills O last year and goes to the pass happy Steelers. I look for him to get me good value of around 50 to 60 catches and a good amount of short yardage TD's. Teyo was cheap and took him because of the Raiders schedule and also his upside.K: Went cheapest I could but went with kickers on relatively good offenses.DEF: Since yardage and points against didn't matter, I went for the two best kick returners in the league: Dante Hall and Michael Lewis. All DEF will get INT, SACKS and FUMBLE RECOVERIES, but not every team can bring one back like these two teams.No wonder you reacted the way you did to the 15K contest error:
dallas428b
Footballguy
good read... :rotflmao:
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Great now people are knocking my defense. why not let them be instead of slinging such dirty insults at them.
Legion of Doom
Footballguy
LMFAO
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This was the BEST!!! That team is atrocious. Anyone who claims they can't get better from the WW is an idiot. I was in a league that paid 25% for most points, 25% for best record and 50% for Super Bowl win. I won some money every year for 7 years, and I can't think of any year that a WW didn't vastly improve my team. Terrell Davis and Curtis Martin their rookie years. Robert Edwards the year after CMart left. Stephen Davis the year he busted out. Those were fantastic pickups and greatly helped me win some cash. The WW is an invaluable tool to the FFB owner. For someone not to use it because he's the "draftmaster" is just moronic. Even more so when that person is not even close to the "draftmaster." I didn't realize that this guy was this much of an idiot. Doesn't seem as fun bashing him when he truly doesn't have any knowledge.
Fan, you and I have occasionally been at FF odds, but we are in complete agreement on the fact that Bristol displayed extraordinary fantasy football ignorance in denegrating the worth of the WW.Good WW work is the most effective method for overcome injuries, and ignoring emerging talent (like CJohn and DDriver last year and Anquan, Rudi, and DD this year) that resides on the WW is demonstrative of an unskilled FF player.I really had no more to say than what you did, but I am going to have fun bumping this with any little comments I can. Anyone who missed this thread should jump on in.Hindsight being 20-20 is the name of the game Bristol has created, so feel free to pile on.
Bristol
Footballguy
You know, rehashing old snippets is a great game. I'll see who else I can dig up.You want to laugh my 15K contest team, go ahead.Least my big money team isn't as piss porr as your is
enningtonHolmesPortisHornS. MossWarrickMili (had Shockey)JanikowskiChiefsThe only person picked up on WW was Mili. Traded for Portis and Chiefs D. The contest is just that...A CONTEST!!! You throw #### against the wall and see what sticks, much like most of your comments.
