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Trade value of Stud RBs in Dynasty (1 Viewer)

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.
That's certainly true. One of the reasons that I advocate building dynasty squads around WRs and QBs is because they're more stable assets than RBs. They tend to get injured less frequently and generally have longer careers. That's why I recommend acquiring a top flight proven WR like Holt, Ward, or C. Johnson as part of the package if you deal away a player like Alexander or LJ. Think about a guy like Larry Fitzgerald. I know it's dangerous to assume that he'll be around forever (Koren Robinson, Germane Crowell, Marcus Robinson, etc.), but he's only 23 years old. Given that many WRs have remained productive into their mid thirties, it's entirely possible that Fitzgerald will be a top 10-20 WR for the next 12 years. To me, that makes him a lot more valuable in most leagues than someone like Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander.
We're in agreement there. Only difference being I think you really need that stud RB to win in the end. Even if you only have him for a few years, a true stud RB outscores everyone else by leaps and bounds. Very hard for a WR based team to compete with a solid team led by a RB who has over 2000 combined yards and 20+ TDs. We're definitely on the same page though. I love basing my dynasty teams on stud WRs.
In the end you still need RBs and they don't grow on trees. They may crap out every 3-4 years, but you have to keep going after them at all costs. Further you retain them at all costs. When you do get a RB you hold onto him, only trading him away for another RB or multiple RBs.

WRs and QBs are nice, and they do stick around for a while but you can always get a veteran for cheap like Rod Smith. You know in 2 years Hines Ward will be 32 and inexpensive.

 
I also would like to ask "when is the best time to buy one of the stud rbs? How about to sell?"
Best time to sell is when the stud is having a killer year (stat-wise) or just completed one, no health issues, projected high level of success for the upcoming season, still has a solid supporting cast, etc. His value is very high.Best time to buy would be the opposite situation. A non-career threatening injury, loss of key support players, or a losing season results in a statisitical drop for current season and/or causes some uncertainty for the upcoming season. His value has taken a hit but you believe he can return to form or at least get close.

The real problem is negotiating such a trade. Most FF coaches do not want, do not know how to, or simply fear the idea of trading a stud player. It's difficult to assess the right value for trader and tradee.

Not matter what you do, you stand a very good chance to draw league criticism and possibly commish veto (if that's in your rules) with such a trade.

Probably why most FF coaches avoid trading FF studs like the plague...

 
but, we all know that during the year, there is a time when the price is cheaper and a time when the price is higher.

When do most think are those times?

 
but, we all know that during the year, there is a time when the price is cheaper and a time when the price is higher.

When do most think are those times?
If am selling a top tier RB because I am rebuilding and want to maximize value, then I am either doing it...My first choice would be just immediately prior to the start of the season (August) to a team that could easily win the championship. Around the time the player's face is on most or all FF magazine covers. I would personally approach each owner; determine interest and anticipate the ease of doing business. I would do a significant amount of research prior to making or accepting an offer based on each owner's trade history; the league's historical transaction record and comparative shopping information from these boards.

or

Move the player 1-2 weeks prior to the in season trade deadline, when someone could put themselves over the top with that player, while doing a significant amount of research prior to making or accepting an offer based on each owner's trade history; the league's historical transaction record and comparative shopping information from these boards.

or

Lastly, I would consider moving him after a HUGE Sunday or Monday night performance. I would give the matter all the due diligence mentioned and ship him off to someone that could use him.

 
but, we all know that during the year, there is a time when the price is cheaper and a time when the price is higher.

When do most think are those times?
Before the player is a starter. Last year I made a new topic advising people to trade for Chester Taylor because he clearly seemed poised for a future as a starter. Now his value has gone up a lot.I don't quite know who's next, but Cedric Benson, Michael Turner, and Chris Perry seem like good values. Guys like Marion Barber and Ryan Moats are also worth a look. I also like William Green as a sneaky dynasty acquisition and feel that Justin Fargas is a worthy flyer. Frank Gore might be worth a shot.

You can always get good RBs for a reasonable price. You just have to pick your targets wisely.

In 2004, I drafted Larry Johnson in the 7th round of my Zealots league (I eventually traded him for WR Roy Williams + change :wall: ).

In 2003, I drafted Chris Brown in the 9th round. His value eventually went up a lot. DeShaun Foster and Willis McGahee were also had in rounds 9+ in that draft. LaMont Jordan was had in the 5th or 6th.

In general, acquire high draft picks who are riding the pine or splitting time. If Chris Perry and Cedric Benson remain healthy for the next few years, then they will almost certainly become starters at some point.

 
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but, we all know that during the year, there is a time when the price is cheaper and a time when the price is higher.

When do most think are those times?
I don't think the time of year matters as much as the current status of the player, his condition, career, production, and the team he plays for.In your opinion, when are those times?

 
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but, we all know that during the year, there is a time when the price is cheaper and a time when the price is higher.

When do most think are those times?
Before the player is a starter. Last year I made a new topic advising people to trade for Chester Taylor because he clearly seemed poised for a future as a starter. Now his value has gone up a lot.I don't quite know who's next, but Cedric Benson, Michael Turner, and Chris Perry seem like good values. Guys like Marion Barber and Ryan Moats are also worth a look. I also like William Green as a sneaky dynasty acquisition and feel that Justin Fargas is a worthy flyer. Frank Gore might be worth a shot.

You can always get good RBs for a reasonable price. You just have to pick your targets wisely.

In 2004, I drafted Larry Johnson in the 7th round of my Zealots league (I eventually traded him for WR Roy Williams + change :wall: ).

In 2003, I drafted Chris Brown in the 9th round. His value eventually went up a lot. DeShaun Foster and Willis McGahee were also had in rounds 9+ in that draft. LaMont Jordan was had in the 5th or 6th.

In general, acquire high draft picks who are riding the pine or splitting time. If Chris Perry and Cedric Benson remain healthy for the next few years, then they will almost certainly become starters at some point.
I would agree with this strategy. I like to pursue an ammended version which is to try and acquire any talented back-ups to your starting RBs. For example, if you had Thomas Jones, try to acquire Cedric Benson. If you had Rudi Johnson, acquire Chris Perry, if you have Bush, acquire McAllister, etc.While this sounds like common sense, many dynasty owners don't pursue this strategy. Why? For a backup, most owners want to pay the bare minimum. In many cases, even in dynasty, backups can be acquired very cheaply. That of course won't be the case with guys like Benson, Perry and McAllister. Their owners are going to be thinking that if an injury occurs or a year or two down the road that the player could have high value again, so why should they give the player away. While the players are much cheaper than they would if they were in starting roles, they're a good bit more expensive than most backups.

But if you have the starter in these situations, you should actively be moving after these guys. If you can pull off this deal, you'll guarantee yourself the starter for this year regardless of injury. In the next year or two, one of those two players will end up in a different city and you'll find yourself with two starting RBs. In short, the price that you paid that seemed high for a backup will show signficant returns.

An added advantage to this approach is that it often makes trades eaiser. If you were to approach the Benson/Perry/McAllister owner without the starter, they would be wary. They'd likely think that there was some camp news that the starter was hurt or that their guy had been looking fantastic. They would be suspicious of your motives. But when you make a move already holding the starter, the party line is simply that "you're looking to lock the (TEAM NAME) running back situation". They'll be less likely to think that you are interested in that player's long term prospects.

 
I just traded LT for Steven Jackson and Chad Johnson. Anything less and I wouldn't have done it. And even that took a lot of hand holding from the assistant coach forum.

 
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Well done...LJ got me Portis and Moss.

I just traded LT for Steven Jackson and Chad Johnson. Anything less and I wouldn't have done it. And even that took a lot of hand holding from the assistant coach forum.
 
I play in a 10 team, keep 10 league where we use contract years as a salary cap system. I have LT, Alex and CJ accounting for 10 of my 17 years allowed. I've been offered Fitz and the 1.2 pick for Alexander. Now from reading this thread it doesn't sound like alot, but I also have the 1.1 & 1.3 picks. I could do this trade get Fitz, drop LT when we make our cuts, redraft him at 1 (wiping out his contract years), plus I could still land Bush and DWill or Marony (spl) with the 2nd and 3rd picks. I already have R. Brown and D. McAllister in the bullpen. I'm weak at WR because I spend all my time grooming rbs, so I'm interested because I could have Fitz & CJ as my WRs and still have LT, Brown, Bush/McAllister and DWill/Marony (spl) as my RBs, while knocking my cap situation from 10 down to 3. Not sure if this is good enough but I have been giving it alot of thought. Its nice to have LT and Alex in your lineup giving you steady numbers on a week to week basis, but I'll have to trade one of LT, Alex or CJ after the season to get under the cap and teams will recognize my plight and the offers may be worse.

For those that are advocating "sell high" on SA, what's he worth? SA owners, if and when someone posts a credible offer, please chime in on whether or not you would seriously consider that offer.

Selling high is extremely difficult to do and is rarely done.. Most guys sellin' a SA, LT2, LJ, etc. want the world for him and for most, it really isn't worth having SA without QB or top flite WR or ?

But I am curious to see what kind offers and the reactions to them.
 
People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a  dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement. 

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green. 

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.
You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.
A guy in another forum said he turned down Tiki for Kevin Jones, and he had Jones!! What a freaking moron!
 
Offer that was shot down:

RB Alexander

RB M. Morris

WR Stallworth

QB Grossman

for

RB T. Bell

RB Dayne

RB Addai

QB Smith

 
Offer that was shot down:

RB Alexander

RB M. Morris

WR Stallworth

QB Grossman

for

RB T. Bell

RB Dayne

RB Addai

QB Smith
If I'm reading this right all I see is:RB Alexander - STUD - simple as it gets TOP 3 RB

RB M. Morris - BU with some small value

WR Stallworth - Blah blah #3

QB Grossman - Poo poo

for

RB T. Bell - Always a maybe someday, C'mon he's Bronco RB.

RB Dayne - Who really cares. Blow out your candles and make your wish.

RB Addai - ROOKIE - High risk could be a bust or a good RB or someday a STUD.

QB Smith - 49ers are as popular in FF right now as it gets.

I would of shot that offer down before I even got to the second player offered.

:thumbdown:

 
I just got offered Tomlinson and Reggie Wayne for L.J.

:shock:

I don't know how I can pass on that. I have L.T. rated higher anyway!

 
what is J. Lewis's value?

I think he is in for a good year and I am trying to trade for him in one of my dynasty leagues. The other guy had L. White and I have C. Brown. Thinking about offering Brown for Lewis.

 
what is J. Lewis's value? I think he is in for a good year and I am trying to trade for him in one of my dynasty leagues. The other guy had L. White and I have C. Brown. Thinking about offering Brown for Lewis.
I wouldn't trade ANYTHING for Lewis.He is so done, they need another word for done.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
I just got offered Tomlinson and Reggie Wayne for L.J.

:shock:

I don't know how I can pass on that. I have L.T. rated higher anyway!
Someone just traded Tomlinson for McGahee and DJax in one of my dynasty leagues. :shock:
 

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