Trading difficulties in your league? (1 Viewer)

[ppierce]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

 

[yellowdog]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

 

[We Tigers]

It's week 3. Most people aren't exactly looking to blow up the rosters they drafted yet.

 

[Funkley]

Quality over quantity. I wouldnt likely do that deal if I were him either.

 

[belljr]

I very rarely trade

 

[BobbyLayne]

Non-trading leagues are often times shallow leagues - say 12 x 15. You make a twofer- or threefer- one deals to secure a stud, the other side figures "whatevs, there's not that much dropoff between my WR3/4 and the WW".

Push the roster sizes out to 216 (12x 18) or 240 (12 x 20), and folks are FORCED to trade because there's nothing but dog sheet on the wire. Another motivator is charging more for FA/WW pickups than trades (or making trades cost free).

If your league mates don't like to trade, try and see what you can do on a going forward basis to changing that mentality.

 

[Wrigley]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

I wouldn't accept that trade either.

 

[Sweet Love]

I think a little explanation goes a long way. Explain why you are making the offer and also why you think it would be good for him (in this case, I am guessing your roster is deep and you are willing to give up a producing starting RB along with Holes for an uptick in WR).

Personally, in my PPR, I just had someone offer me P. Thomas for Nelson. Two weeks ago I would have pounced on it because I own Ingram. My view on the situation (and my team) has changed...with Sproles getting a lot of the touches, adding Thomas does not lock up the RB position for me in NO. I have 5 starting caliber WRs on my roster, but last week, all 3 of my starters were questionable at game time and Lloyd ended up not playing...so what was a luxury for me last Wednesday in Nelson, is now a necessity. But I at least took the time to explain it to him and I can see how you would be frustrated when owners just click "reject" and that is it.

This is the worst part of league management software IMO. Back in the paper/pencil days of scoring, every offer was made via phone and not only would deals get done, but you got to know your leaguemates better.

 

[Bayhawks]

Non-trading leagues are often times shallow leagues - say 12 x 15. You make a twofer- or threefer- one deals to secure a stud, the other side figures "whatevs, there's not that much dropoff between my WR3/4 and the WW".

Push the roster sizes out to 216 (12x 18) or 240 (12 x 20), and folks are FORCED to trade because there's nothing but dog sheet on the wire. Another motivator is charging more for FA/WW pickups than trades (or making trades cost free).

If your league mates don't like to trade, try and see what you can do on a going forward basis to changing that mentality.

In theory, that works, but the theory doesn't always hold up.Sometimes people don't like to trade, because they want to "win" the trade. A fair trade for both sides isn't appealing to them. It's just the way that is is. In my main league, if I want to acquire a player, I have to overpay for him, so the other owner will feel like he "won." If I can't afford to overpay, the trade doesn't happen.

 

[ahill84006]

Are you sure you are not in my league??

 

[Bayhawks]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

I wouldn't accept that trade either.

It depends. If you have a solid WR2 behind Wallace, and are weak at RB, that trade may be appealing. If Hightower would by your RB3 (or flex) and Sproles was nothing but a back-up, then it is much less sne problem (IMO) comes when people offer trades that they believe are fair, but don't help the (prospective) trade partner.

If I have Tom Brady at QB, don't offer Rivers to me in exchange for Wells. Granted, Rivers is the better player, and more valuable FF player, but I don't NEED him, and I NEED Wells.

If the other owner doesn't need RBs, that trade you offered isn't enticing to him/her. It doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to trade, but they don't want that trade.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think a little explanation goes a long way. Explain why you are making the offer and also why you think it would be good for him (in this case, I am guessing your roster is deep and you are willing to give up a producing starting RB along with Holes for an uptick in WR). Personally, in my PPR, I just had someone offer me P. Thomas for Nelson. Two weeks ago I would have pounced on it because I own Ingram. My view on the situation (and my team) has changed...with Sproles getting a lot of the touches, adding Thomas does not lock up the RB position for me in NO. I have 5 starting caliber WRs on my roster, but last week, all 3 of my starters were questionable at game time and Lloyd ended up not playing...so what was a luxury for me last Wednesday in Nelson, is now a necessity. But I at least took the time to explain it to him and I can see how you would be frustrated when owners just click "reject" and that is it. This is the worst part of league management software IMO. Back in the paper/pencil days of scoring, every offer was made via phone and not only would deals get done, but you got to know your leaguemates better.

Dialog is a big key to executing trades. You gotta sell it as benefiting both sides.

 

[habsfan]

There's not a lot of trading in my leagues and as a result I tend to filter out a lot of the trading cliches that get thrown around in here. This guy is a sell high or buy low. The perspectives behind the labels are valuable to me but the labels themselves are usually useless. When I hear, "Sell high" I typically think, "Great but who's buying"?

 

[solorca]

My league is definitely tough to trade in. There are about three people who are willing to trade, and the rest who either don't respond or propose crazy counters. We are a twelve team leaguw with 18 players each, so there SHOULD be the opportunity to make deals, but it just rarely happens.

The big frustration for me is that there are 2-3 people who only trade with each other. I assume it's because they are closer and talk to one another when making the deal, but they generally end up lopsided for one side (I would claim collusion, but typically they do benefit both parties...they just aren't as lucrative as they could be if they would open up their trading partner lists).

 

[JuSt CuZ]

People dont trade because they simply just dont understand it or don't know value of players and are scared.

No in between, as good owners know trading can help any team.

 

[GreenNGold]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

 

[Grahamburn]

Dialog is a big key to executing trades. You gotta sell it as benefiting both sides.

I always make sure it does benefit both sides. Low ball offers always turn me off, so I don't offer them. If I want a player I try my best to offer equal value right out of the gate. Get the other owner envisioning that roster.I usually target the owner that just lost a stud to injury, but the Jamaal Charles owner doesn't think you're helping his team when you offer 3 mediocre players for a back to back 100 yard game WR like Mike Wallace.

 

[NeverEnough]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

 

[dagwood]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

The problem is that people who whine about other owners not wanting to trade are often part of the problem not part of the solution. I am sure the OP would not accept this offer if it were offered to him yet he is offended that the other owner turned it down so easily.

 

[habsfan]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

The problem is that people who whine about other owners not wanting to trade are often part of the problem not part of the solution. I am sure the OP would not accept this offer if it were offered to him yet he is offended that the other owner turned it down so easily.

Depends on time of year and the directions the two teams are heading in. If I was on the play-off bubble, I would likely give up a stud to upgrade my line-up on a total points basis.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

I'm sorry but I can't resist - http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6280813/dynast-league-trade

 

[Dought Man]

In my league...if you are a good team and have depth/position of strength and trade for a position of weakness... everyone vetos the trade. So, no trades get done in my league. Maybe 1-2 per year total.

 

[mdlane]

My only problem with trading is when people sit on offers without responding. It's like you have to hit a sweet spot of the days an owner checks his team.

I have no problem with someone rejecting my offers but I do get annoyed on the rare instance someone thinks I lowballed them too much and counters with a total insult - like one bench player for half my team. That kind of response has only happened twice, and both times I would have preferred if the person just said "I don't want to trade.". Someone who burns bridges like that isn't going to get anything done.

I am also almost always one of the more active members of my leagues so I try to be patient with the trade sitters.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

In my league...if you are a good team and have depth/position of strength and trade for a position of weakness... everyone vetos the trade. So, no trades get done in my league. Maybe 1-2 per year total.

Why would you play in a league where trades can get vetoed for the sole reason because it makes a team better? If you allow vetos you must require enough votes where the probability of a veto goes down and the most likely reason it gets vetoed is because it threatens league integrity (like ADP for Hightower and Hines Ward type of trades). Most feel the ONLY reason for a veto is in the event of collusion. I happen to disagree with this because there is no way to prove collusion.

 

[Wrigley]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

I wouldn't accept that trade either.

It depends. If you have a solid WR2 behind Wallace, and are weak at RB, that trade may be appealing. If Hightower would by your RB3 (or flex) and Sproles was nothing but a back-up, then it is much less sne problem (IMO) comes when people offer trades that they believe are fair, but don't help the (prospective) trade partner.

If I have Tom Brady at QB, don't offer Rivers to me in exchange for Wells. Granted, Rivers is the better player, and more valuable FF player, but I don't NEED him, and I NEED Wells.

If the other owner doesn't need RBs, that trade you offered isn't enticing to him/her. It doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to trade, but they don't want that trade.

Thanks for pointing out how trades work.

 

[VaTerp]

Non-trading leagues are often times shallow leagues - say 12 x 15. You make a twofer- or threefer- one deals to secure a stud, the other side figures "whatevs, there's not that much dropoff between my WR3/4 and the WW".

Push the roster sizes out to 216 (12x 18) or 240 (12 x 20), and folks are FORCED to trade because there's nothing but dog sheet on the wire. Another motivator is charging more for FA/WW pickups than trades (or making trades cost free).

If your league mates don't like to trade, try and see what you can do on a going forward basis to changing that mentality.

In theory, that works, but the theory doesn't always hold up.Sometimes people don't like to trade, because they want to "win" the trade. A fair trade for both sides isn't appealing to them. It's just the way that is is. In my main league, if I want to acquire a player, I have to overpay for him, so the other owner will feel like he "won." If I can't afford to overpay, the trade doesn't happen.

It works in practice too.My main league is 12 teams 18 man rosters. We also have a limit of 9 FA pickups per team for the entire season (FCFS).

Every year this league has more trades than my other leagues combined. We've had 5 deals already this year.

To each their own but I love this set up. It forces people to trade and makes the league more fun for us. My experience has been that trades are simply not gonna happen too often in redrafts when shallow rosters and unlimited waiver pickups make for much easier options.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

I wouldn't accept that trade either.

It depends. If you have a solid WR2 behind Wallace, and are weak at RB, that trade may be appealing. If Hightower would by your RB3 (or flex) and Sproles was nothing but a back-up, then it is much less sne problem (IMO) comes when people offer trades that they believe are fair, but don't help the (prospective) trade partner.

If I have Tom Brady at QB, don't offer Rivers to me in exchange for Wells. Granted, Rivers is the better player, and more valuable FF player, but I don't NEED him, and I NEED Wells.

If the other owner doesn't need RBs, that trade you offered isn't enticing to him/her. It doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to trade, but they don't want that trade.

Thanks for pointing out how trades work.

He's right. Too many traders don't consider how the offer helps the other team.

 

[Wrigley]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

I'm sorry but I can't resist - http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6280813/dynast-league-trade

Awesome

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Can't speak for redrafts, but I only do dynasty leagues and have the same issue. It's sometimes frustrating when folks don't want to trade (I'm usually one of them), but when you've scouted a rookie, drafted him and he's spent a few years on your roster, it's tough to part with him if he's producing.

What bothers me more is folks who feel they should get a player at cost, 1-2 years later. It seems to be popular with QBs, because they don't want to risk their draft picks on a potential major bust during the draft. They offer a similar pick a year later for that QB and try to play it off as even value. So therefore, you take the risk of drafting the one rookie QB who didn't outright bust, see him grow and learn on your roster for a year (taking up a precious roster spot) and now that he's finally ready to become productive, the other owner expects you to eat that investment/risk or he gets pissed that you're 'overvaluing' his current ADP.

 

[griff321]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

I'm sorry but I can't resist - http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6280813/dynast-league-trade

Exactly. Right not in dynasty Mike Wallace is almost untouchable. I'm an owner in a 16 team league and someone offered me me Deon Butler and next years first.

 

[ppierce]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

 

[GreenNGold]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

Sounds like you vastly overvalue your players, just like you are accusing others of doing.

 

[Apple Jack]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

I think some people are viewing Hightower's potential as diminished in the wake of Helu's game last week. Sure, he had some holes that I could have run through, but his speed was impressive, as were his hands and his pass protection. That was a statement kind of game for a rookie. And he outscored Hightower in my PPR league. I wouldn't have accepted that trade either. I'll take Wallace and Sproles over Holmes and Hightower. And in return yard PPR, it's a slam dunk.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

If neither Sproles or Hightower is an upgrade over either of his current starting RB's then this is a pretty ridiculous trade and I would probably laugh in your face as well. Like you're so fond of saying, you've got to give up something to get something.

 

[gethugefast1]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

I'm sorry but I can't resist - http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6280813/dynast-league-trade

LMAO... thanks Hoss

 

[yellowdog]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

Keep building them up, you may convince yourself to hang on to them.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I always seem to be in leagues where most people refuse to trade no matter what. It really sucks. Trading is half the fun!

You build your winning teams through trading & rookie drafts in dynasty!!!

I'm sorry but I can't resist - http://www.xtranorma...st-league-trade

Awesome

HFS awesome hoss

 

[renesauz]

Sounds like you vastly overvalue your players, just like you are accusing others of doing.

Generally speaking, owners are higher on the players on their roster than you are, and lower on the players on your roster than you are. The idea that an owner has to do 10 trades a year, and seriously consider every random offer (and most are completely out of the blue random) that comes along in order to be a "good owner" is ludicrous. Color me a bad owner I guess. While I'll consider every trade, I rarely counter random offers that contain no explanation at all.ETA; WINNING is half the fun. Trading just to trade is just...stupid.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

People like you piss me off. If people do not want to trade, they don't have to. Just because in YOUR opinion it's a great deal doesn't qualify for someone else to think the same thing. Better yet, why not make a league where trade is mandatory? You can be the commish and see how many people join...Edit: I also hate managers that offer me 3 waiver wire pickups for my 2nd or 3rd drafted player.

 

[Bayhawks]

Non-trading leagues are often times shallow leagues - say 12 x 15. You make a twofer- or threefer- one deals to secure a stud, the other side figures "whatevs, there's not that much dropoff between my WR3/4 and the WW".

Push the roster sizes out to 216 (12x 18) or 240 (12 x 20), and folks are FORCED to trade because there's nothing but dog sheet on the wire. Another motivator is charging more for FA/WW pickups than trades (or making trades cost free).

If your league mates don't like to trade, try and see what you can do on a going forward basis to changing that mentality.

In theory, that works, but the theory doesn't always hold up.Sometimes people don't like to trade, because they want to "win" the trade. A fair trade for both sides isn't appealing to them. It's just the way that is is. In my main league, if I want to acquire a player, I have to overpay for him, so the other owner will feel like he "won." If I can't afford to overpay, the trade doesn't happen.

It works in practice too.My main league is 12 teams 18 man rosters. We also have a limit of 9 FA pickups per team for the entire season (FCFS).

Every year this league has more trades than my other leagues combined. We've had 5 deals already this year.

To each their own but I love this set up. It forces people to trade and makes the league more fun for us. My experience has been that trades are simply not gonna happen too often in redrafts when shallow rosters and unlimited waiver pickups make for much easier options.

Well that's not exactly the same practice as was described earlier. If there are no FA pickup restrictions, I maintain that you won't have more trades just because a league is deep. My main league is 12 teams, 22 man roster (no IDP). We have less than 5-6 trades per season, because most owners in that league are afraid to "lose" the trade. There's very little out there on the WW to pick up, but trades aren't rampant.That being said, I don't like the limit on FA pickups. Last year, I picked up L Blount, after his Steelers game, when TB was on bye. I did this because I felt that he had a chance to unseat Cadillac (who was sucking in the run game), and because I knew that my WW priority (I was undefeated at the time) wouldn't allow me to pick him up after their bye week. Blount had only had the 6 carries against Pitt in a blow-out loss; there was as good (if not better) a probability that he wouldn't amount to anything. But I was able to take the chance and snatch him up before anyone else, and it paid off. Since I traded Blount (along with S Greene) in the off-season for L McCoy, I consider that pick to have been a great move, and it is one I wouldn't have been able to make if we had FA pickup limits.

 

[Bayhawks]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.

I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.

Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If it's such a great deal for him, why would you offer it?

I wouldn't accept that trade either.

It depends. If you have a solid WR2 behind Wallace, and are weak at RB, that trade may be appealing. If Hightower would by your RB3 (or flex) and Sproles was nothing but a back-up, then it is much less sne problem (IMO) comes when people offer trades that they believe are fair, but don't help the (prospective) trade partner.

If I have Tom Brady at QB, don't offer Rivers to me in exchange for Wells. Granted, Rivers is the better player, and more valuable FF player, but I don't NEED him, and I NEED Wells.

If the other owner doesn't need RBs, that trade you offered isn't enticing to him/her. It doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to trade, but they don't want that trade.

Thanks for pointing out how trades work.

No problem. I was merely replying to the topic of this thread. Thanks for your insightful contribution, BTW.

 

[netnalp]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

So you are like those owners I have in my league that think they can trade 3 scrubs for 1 superstar. Not to mention the other owner would need to find 2 players to drop after making this trade, which could very well be Holmes and Sproles depending on the league and depth of the team you are trading to, so the trade could essentially be Hightower for Wallace. Quality > Quantity. I would snap reject your trade too.

Yeah Holmes is a scrub. Right on. Hightower is a rb1/rb2 and sproles has scored over 10 pts/game so far.Actually you're like those owners in my league who don't know players values and only look at names.

Holmes is a WR on a team that is more run 1st. Hightower would make me nervous because he is a journeyman RB, teams always seem to be looking to replace him. And you have a coach that makes RB changes pretty often and then there's the recent rumors that Helu is making a case for the RB1 job. Sproles has put up points but I'd be concerned that Ingram will get going and lessen Sproles value. To me it'd be getting rid of a solid player with upside and taking on a lot of risk and the hassle of trying to figure out which match up to play, when he can currently plug in Wallace and not think twice. If two of those players aren't going to be every week starters for a fantasy squad then it's not worth it to make the trade.

 

[Crazy Tony]

I would Not do the trade in the original post.

If there was explanation and thought into why it helped my team then I would reply back.

If it's an insulting offer...I shoot an insulting offer back.

Grant/hills owner offered me Grant for Hardesty (I drafted Haresty 5th in ROokie draft 2010...IR 2010 and finally coming back into OFF think I wanted this long to trade him for a older injured RB that is losing his job to Starks? No. AutoReject.

There was no discussion before the trade...just blind shots.

a Day later he offers me Grant for Hernandez(prior to injury)>...Starting RB for Backup TE? Seriously that's your argument. It's insulting.

I countered with Hernandez for Kenny Britt and Mike Wallace....then I outed the guy posting in the league if I was the only one being pelted with #### offers for Ryan Grant? He whined and cried. "Well I'm going to block all of your trades and messages" That would be dumb go ahead. You'd still trade with me if I wanted to.

Most of the trades in our league occur around the draft jockeying for position. You're trying to acquire Draft picks and consolidate talent into 3-2 2-1s. Then sell old players high for picks. Bundle your draft picks so you can get 1-2 big ones. I had too many picks this year and my draft eyes were bigger than my roster limit.

Call people see if they got the trade. Ask them who they like and be realistic. Look to improve teams and ask the owners if they see value in what you perceive to be value.

I had to reject Marion Barber offers by same owner constantly I don't want to handcuff Forte. Meanwhile I'm shotgunning offers to J.Best owner w/ JE Harrison...."I think this player has value...don't you? Best will get hurt.." He's not great at replying but he makes moves...you gotta catch him and call him. Sometimes people get busy and have other ####.

 

[blackbird001]

The trade is not without it's merits and knowing whether this is Dynasty or Re-draft would help. Dynasty this really isn't the type of offer that gonna go through too often. However, ignoring Sproles (that might have made your offer more attractive and brought less criticism from the SP), this could help a team with a poor roster who needs bodies to fill out his lineup. In re-draft, I could see this trade making more sense, but the bottom line is Mike Wallace is the most attractive piece and generally, you need to overpay (as pointed out earlier) to get a piece like that.

 

[Tchula]

I made 5 trade offers in one league over the last week and a half. People are too lazy to even hit the decline button.

 

[Da Guru]

Teams always..always over value their own players.

 

[Andrew74]

I wish my league would trade. I can't get anything done? I've just about given up and it is not nearly as fun.

 

[bweiser]

yeah, i think leagues are getting more and more difficult to get deals done in.

i offered a guy jason campbell for eric decker last night. now, he has josh freeman and tavaris jackson as his QBs. he has bowe, vjack, maclin, mason and steve smith (phi) at WR in addition to decker. i could use a decent plug-in at WR and thought, what the heck, he needs QB help. rejected. not saying he should or shouldn't have accepted, but i wish people were more open to discuss trades and would counter an offer like that.

 

[Vicktimized]

Anybody have a bunch of teams who just never trade? My league conists of 1 maybe 2 teams that will trade. All the others continually think they're getting ripped off, or make ludacrious counter offers, or don't even respond. Seems like no deals ever get done.I had a guy tell me yesterday he needed to mull over getting Hightower and Santonio Holmes and Sproles for Mike Wallace. I mean really?? I pulled the offer on principal.Seems like nobody ever wnats to give up anything and expects the world in return. People tend to overvalue who they have. Its ridiculous.

If he's crazy for not jumping on it, you're crazy for offering it.