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Trading difficulties in your league? (1 Viewer)
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VaTerp
Footballguy
True not exactly the same but my experience has still been that deeper rosters encourage trades.As for the limit on FA pickups why wouldn't you have been able to pick up Blount? Because you would have already used your limit? When there is a limit owners are more judicious with who they pick up and.... also more willing to trade.'Bayhawks said:
But again to each their own.
This is how it's suppose to work most of the time. I'm a little higher on my players. You're a little higher on your players and at the end of the day a deal doesn't get done. 75+% of the trade offers I get are RB for RB or WR for WR, so it's basically someone trying to pass off their declining player for my ascendIng player. Another reason I don't do a bunch of trades is because I like to dance with the girl that brought me. I made aggressive moves to get Stafford in three of my leagues and I feel like he's MY player. I don't want to trade him unless I'm clearly making my team better. As most of you know, you don't get too many offers that are even, let alone make your team better. Which brings me to my final thought. I started my main league in 2006 with 12 guys who had very little experience playing fantasy football. There were many trades that year and lots of guys got completely fleeced. The next year we had a few owners move faster up the learning curve and there were more ridiculous fleece trades (Tom Brady for Willie Parker). The league was up at arms. Some people wanted a veto. Some people were threatening to quit and I was questioning why I ever wanted to be a commissioner in the first place. Now the league is MUCH more advanced. We don't have any weak managers and major trades rarely occur. We see plenty of WR3s or TE2s on the move, but everyone is aware that whoever gets the best player in the deal is the winner. No one's going to accept a 2 donks for 1 stud trade. I believe that the league is much better for it. Sure, it's great to work a trade that instantly improves your team, but it hurts the league overall when one or two managers are able to consistently fleece other managers out of their highly drafted players. I say be skeptical folks, and if a highly competent manager is approaching you for one of your players, there's probably a reason for it.
I am a lousy trader. I usually overvalue my guys. I have found it helps to actually have a conversation with your opponent and discuss the trade and counters as opposed to just posting an offer. Helps with the rational thinking. Some people dont think they are making a good trade unless they gain an advantage...not much to do about that I guess
Perhaps I mis-typed. It's not that I wouldn't have been able to pick up Blount, but that I probably would have chosen not to.To that point, Blount had only been in TB for a few weeks, and had only had 6 carries against a Pitt team that was up big. While I had been keeping tabs on him, and I liked what I saw in the Pitt game, if I only had 9 pickups to use all year, I probably would not have picked him up at that point, b/c he hadn't shown enough for me to use one of my limited FA pickups. Since I had no limit, however, all it cost me was my back-up TE (who I had to drop). I was more than willing to pay that price, and it paid off. If I'd waited until he had shown more, I wouldn't have gotten him, because I was close to last on the WW priority for a few more weeks.
Hightower, Holmes and Sproles are scrubs? If this guy owned Charles, Harvin, Manningham or some other combination of disappointing players, this trade could restock half his lineup. It all depends on situation and perspective. I'm continually amazed at some of the trades executed in my leagues *after* I've offered what I believed significantly more value for the same players.
dagwood
Footballguy
Yet another proof that owners tend to significantly overvalue their own players and then complain about the fact that no one wants to trade with them. It you had actually offered SIGNIFICANTLY more value for their players, they probably would have taken your deal instead of some other deal. Sometimes you just have to look in the mirror and say maybe my valuation of my players is just wrong.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
i'll typically be involved in 1/3 to 1/2 of all the trades in my leagues. one big reason is that i'll lose a trade as long as it helps my team. most people dont seem to grasp that concept tho and insist on winning every trade. prior to the start of the season, i traded malcolm floyd for the dallas defense because i needed a defense, and floyd would rarely have played for me, but instantly became that team's new wr3/4. and i just traded my 2012 1st for keller because i need a plug and forget TE and i expect to have a late 1st pick. high risk/high reward as i've managed to pick the worst TE to start every week since early last season, so if i can get an extra 5+ pts a game, its worth it to me.
this is an example of a trade offer that i usually get: (this was preseason when tebow was expected to take over at qb, and cook was being hyped, and spiller had been "named" the starter)
[*]team 1 offers lloyd, winslow, Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.02
[*]team 2 for schaub, spiller, cook
on paper, its not a horrible offer, but it doesnt take into acct my team at all. i only had 2 QBs, and losing schaub would have left me exposed to trying to get a qb off the ww. i'm not that high on lloyd and with nicks, britt, and AJ, i'd never have played lloyd. but as soon as i saw schaub w/o getting a qb, i hit reject as this trade hurt my team.
what really disappoints me is the lack of preseason trading before final cuts. i'll post the players that i'm considering dropping, and that i'm open to lopsided trades for them. i laugh when i get no offers, then someone goes out and spends $5 to grab 1 of these players when they could have had them for $1 for a 3rd or 4th round pick. on the flip side, i hve an open policy to offer up 3rd/4th rnd picks for players you might drop, and only 1 team has ever offered up a trade (which i accepted).
as far as the OPs trade offer. it would have depended on the makeup of my team. wallace was by far the best player involved. holmes is good, but i'm not sure i trust the jets to keep throwing enough to keep him as a wr1. i was on the helu bandwagon prior to the season, and it looks like the hightower train in going to slow down soon. sproles is the wild card, so it would all depend on how often i'd use sproles in my lineup, but overall, i would have rejected it too.
i've never heard someone say "hey, let me trade my best player for no reason". if you are trying to trade a player, then there's a reason, and dont be surprised if the other owner knows that same reason and doesnt want the player for the same reason you dont want him. when people get upset that no one accepts their "fair" trades, what they really are upset with is that they arent smarter than the other owner.
we see these threads every season, and you can change the person and the trade, but it always seems to come down to someone trying to pull a fst one, and getting upset that it didnt work.
if you want to make more trades, stop looking at fair/unfair, and start thinking of trades as helps/doesnt help.
this is an example of a trade offer that i usually get: (this was preseason when tebow was expected to take over at qb, and cook was being hyped, and spiller had been "named" the starter)
[*]team 1 offers lloyd, winslow, Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.02
[*]team 2 for schaub, spiller, cook
on paper, its not a horrible offer, but it doesnt take into acct my team at all. i only had 2 QBs, and losing schaub would have left me exposed to trying to get a qb off the ww. i'm not that high on lloyd and with nicks, britt, and AJ, i'd never have played lloyd. but as soon as i saw schaub w/o getting a qb, i hit reject as this trade hurt my team.
what really disappoints me is the lack of preseason trading before final cuts. i'll post the players that i'm considering dropping, and that i'm open to lopsided trades for them. i laugh when i get no offers, then someone goes out and spends $5 to grab 1 of these players when they could have had them for $1 for a 3rd or 4th round pick. on the flip side, i hve an open policy to offer up 3rd/4th rnd picks for players you might drop, and only 1 team has ever offered up a trade (which i accepted).
as far as the OPs trade offer. it would have depended on the makeup of my team. wallace was by far the best player involved. holmes is good, but i'm not sure i trust the jets to keep throwing enough to keep him as a wr1. i was on the helu bandwagon prior to the season, and it looks like the hightower train in going to slow down soon. sproles is the wild card, so it would all depend on how often i'd use sproles in my lineup, but overall, i would have rejected it too.
i've never heard someone say "hey, let me trade my best player for no reason". if you are trying to trade a player, then there's a reason, and dont be surprised if the other owner knows that same reason and doesnt want the player for the same reason you dont want him. when people get upset that no one accepts their "fair" trades, what they really are upset with is that they arent smarter than the other owner.
we see these threads every season, and you can change the person and the trade, but it always seems to come down to someone trying to pull a fst one, and getting upset that it didnt work.
if you want to make more trades, stop looking at fair/unfair, and start thinking of trades as helps/doesnt help.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Well this and many owners won't trade unless they clearly win the trade by a large margin.
