Trading Players for Future Picks (1 Viewer)

[gonzobill5]

I'm sitting at 2-4 and thinking about blowing up my team. I have a lot of quality players, but RBs are so ####ty I can't complete week in and week out.

So how do you determine value aside from proposing a bunch of trades and seeing what kind of counters you get? Could I use the Top 250 forward and say if a certain player is ranked 24 then getting a 2nd rounder next year for him is good?

How about leagues that allow a set number of keepers?

ETA: Edited because I did a crappy job explaining my question (probably still crappy)

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It depends a lot on what your keeper rules are.

 

[solorca]

I'm sitting at 2-4 and thinking about blowing up my team. I have a lot of quality players, but RBs are so ####ty I can't complete week in and week out. So how do you determine value aside from proposing a bunch of trades and seeing what kind of counters you get? Could I use the Top 250 forward and say if Julio Jones is ranked 24 then getting a 2nd rounder next year for him is good?

Top 250 has no bearing on future values.It would take a lot more information to determine what kind of value players are worth, since it appears by your comment it's not a dynasty, but a keeper league of some kind. Regardless, that would belong in the AC forum.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm sitting at 2-4 and thinking about blowing up my team. I have a lot of quality players, but RBs are so ####ty I can't complete week in and week out. So how do you determine value aside from proposing a bunch of trades and seeing what kind of counters you get? Could I use the Top 250 forward and say if Julio Jones is ranked 24 then getting a 2nd rounder next year for him is good?

Top 250 has no bearing on future values.It would take a lot more information to determine what kind of value players are worth, since it appears by your comment it's not a dynasty, but a keeper league of some kind. Regardless, that would belong in the AC forum.

Thought about posting this in the AC forum, if mods want to move it there, fine. I disagree though.I'm curious how other people assess value in their leagues. Sure rules differ, but I'd like to know what kind of tools/analysis I can use to get an idea what players are worth. If Top 250 is no good, what is good?

 

[gonzobill5]

It depends a lot on what your keeper rules are.

This is what makes it tough for me to gauge. Three keepers per team - so next year's first round is not equivalent to the first round in any old redraft.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

A 2nd rounder for Julio jones? I'm misreading this right? Lol

 

[gonzobill5]

A 2nd rounder for Julio jones? I'm misreading this right? Lol

2nd rounder in a redraft with 3 keepers per team. The question I'm trying to figure out is how many keepers each year are ___ rounders? What does the distribution of ADP for players kept look like? I realize that lots of these questions are league specific, but they must be things that you Shark Poolers have considered before.

 

[solorca]

I'm sitting at 2-4 and thinking about blowing up my team. I have a lot of quality players, but RBs are so ####ty I can't complete week in and week out. So how do you determine value aside from proposing a bunch of trades and seeing what kind of counters you get? Could I use the Top 250 forward and say if Julio Jones is ranked 24 then getting a 2nd rounder next year for him is good?

Top 250 has no bearing on future values.It would take a lot more information to determine what kind of value players are worth, since it appears by your comment it's not a dynasty, but a keeper league of some kind. Regardless, that would belong in the AC forum.

Thought about posting this in the AC forum, if mods want to move it there, fine. I disagree though.I'm curious how other people assess value in their leagues. Sure rules differ, but I'd like to know what kind of tools/analysis I can use to get an idea what players are worth. If Top 250 is no good, what is good?

Well, in a dynasty league a future first rounder is worth varying amounts depending on your thoughts of the team you are playing, the age of the player you're sending away, etc.In a keeper like yours (and all other keepers really), the rules are so varied that it's pretty much impossible to give a straight-forward answer on how to determine future value.Regardless of the format, I can't see a situation where a future second rounder would enough value for Julio.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

You want to talk about the value of players in a keeper? Here's one: do not trade Julio jones for anyone. He is a guy you keep for 10 years in a keeper league. Imagine having Isaac Bruce or torry holt for their whole careers.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

Calvin Johnson, aj green, Julio jones and demaryius Thomas are my top 4 Players in keeper and dynasty leagues and in no particular order. I wouldn't trade them for anyone.

 

[gonzobill5]

Well, in a dynasty league a future first rounder is worth varying amounts depending on your thoughts of the team you are playing, the age of the player you're sending away, etc.

In a keeper like yours (and all other keepers really), the rules are so varied that it's pretty much impossible to give a straight-forward answer on how to determine future value.

Regardless of the format, I can't see a situation where a future second rounder would enough value for Julio.

I'm thinking along the following lines:1. Figure out how to equate 2012 draft picks to 2013 draft picks to 2014 draft picks etc. Just like money, draft picks have a time value. I might trade a first rounder in 2014 for a second rounder in 2013. I figured this has to have been done before, no need to reinvent the wheel.

2. Figure out/theorize how keeper ADP is distributed. I guess I could do this by trying to predict keepers for each team in my league but in a few conversations I've had with other owners, I'm often surprised how they rank their keepers.

3. Once you have an idea of what a 2013 pick is worth today and how much lower it might be due to players kept, you can make an apples to apples comparison.

 

[gonzobill5]

Calvin Johnson, aj green, Julio jones and demaryius Thomas are my top 4 Players in keeper and dynasty leagues and in no particular order. I wouldn't trade them for anyone.

I shouldn't have offered an example. Julio can't be kept in my league. My question remains.

 

[gonzobill5]

It depends a lot on what your keeper rules are.

Are you in a keeper league, and if so, how do you determine it?

 

[footballnerd]

what ever you can negotiate, feel the owner out and try to get as high a pick as you can. make an announcement to the league that you're having a fire sale and take the highest bid. its easier for the seller than the buyer.

 

[solorca]

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but future value picks aren't as easy as just trading players in regular leagues. There really isn't a good guide for it, because it all depends on the settings, player, value of the pick (based on where the pick will be), etc. It varies wildly.

 

[Banger]

basically I determine value by where the player will be selected. If said player would be one of the top guys off the board I try and get a good pick for him and I sell it that way.