Trading Your Season Away (1 Viewer)

[ScottyDog]

Reading a lot of these threads, I can't help but see a lot of crazy trades going on that just seem to be illogical and seem to just be....no other way to say it........stupid. Go look at the Trade Value for Vick thread to get an idea what I am talking about. So, I am trying to figure out what is it that makes you feel like you HAVE to wheel and deal? Sometimes just drafting solid, being a hawk on the waiver wire, and a little lucky will suffice to win a championship or at least get you close. More often than not, I see people trading JUST TO TRADE. I know injuries happen and sometimes you need to fill a weakness, but a lot of these trades just seem FORCED to me. Here is an example I found in the aforementioned VICK thread:

Traded Vick away two weeks ago in a 12 man redraft, I had Eli as my starter. I gave Vick, Bradshaw and Steve Johnson for AP and Malcom Floyd. I have Chris Johnson as well. Couldn't pass it up but have to admit I have some traders remorse today.

I am not trying to pick on this guy, but this just seemed like a good example. Keeping Eli over Vick? I know it was two weeks ago before Vick blew up last night, but the writing was on the wall in regards to Vicks performance (as someone stated in another thread, his lowest point total has been 25 points in a standard scoring league). And then giving up Bradshaw and Steve Johnson for AP and Malcolm Floyd? That is crazy imo. Do you see what I am saying here? This trade did not need to happen and SHOULDN"T have.

So what I am asking here, is what is it about our fantasy football hobby that we feel like we need to wheel and deal? I would love to make a trade and have that feeling like I fleeced somebody, but in my shark league, that does not happen. I would have to weaken a part of my team to make another part stronger. I guess if it isn't broke, why try and fix it? Anybody have an opinion that isn't sarcastic or mean spirited, since I am just trying to foster some good discussion?

 

[rocketsauce]

C'mon man, that was 2 weeks ago. BEFORE Vick even returned. Nobody had a clue what would happen when he took a hit, or how itchy Reid's trigger finger could be for Kolb. And Eli was on a tear.

And above all, you can't judge a trade like that without seeing a full roster. If Steve Johnson was on his bench, and Bradshaw was his RB2, I have no problem (at all!) with this trade.

This isn't even close to "trading your season away". The guy has AP and Chris Johnson for the stretch run/playoffs. If the rest of his team is even marginal, he has as good a chance as anyone to win his league's title.

I love to trade. You don't even want me to tell you how many trades I've made in my main league (and they cost 5 bucks per trade in that league!) I'm always looking to improve my team in any way I can, in hopes of winning a title. And I think I've done it this year. I've made my team about as good as I think I can in my league and my scoring format. I lead my league in scoring, have the best record, and hope to have another championship, because of my trades. And I've made some HORRIBLE ones (looking back) along the way. It is part of the game. Definitely part of MY game.

 

[kinghill]

I completely agree with what your saying that a lot of people trade just to trade. Because it's fun. To trade.

But the example you gave is kinda lame.

Also, Vick's lowest point total in our league was 2 points in Week 4 vs the Redskins.

Also, people get too crazy after 1 game's performance whether it's good or bad.

 

[emge]

I like your post, I see your point about making trades just for making trades. But I would say that whenever you can get AP, it is most likely a good move. If he had a different QB like Favre or someone less reliable, then I would be worried, but Eli has been pretty solid. Also, I am assuming that Steve Johnson was picked up on waivers and most likely had other options at WR.

I actually got Eli and Steve Jonhson on waivers, so if i was giving them up with Bradshaw to get AP, I would probably do it. Vick is still a major injury risk and he's not going to blow up like that again (at least very unlikely). Bradshaw is also injury risk and is not getting all goal line carries. So I think this is still a trade I would make.

 

[finito]

I often trade my season away, and I have no intention of stopping.

 

[Wombat1]

I often trade my season away, and I have no intention of stopping.

Hahah. As do I...Trading is definitely useful because of how your roster often shapes up with depth at certain positions etc. Also with the way players value fluctuates week to week you can take advantage

 

[3nOut]

Reading a lot of these threads, I can't help but see a lot of crazy trades going on that just seem to be illogical and seem to just be....no other way to say it........stupid. Go look at the Trade Value for Vick thread to get an idea what I am talking about. So, I am trying to figure out what is it that makes you feel like you HAVE to wheel and deal? Sometimes just drafting solid, being a hawk on the waiver wire, and a little lucky will suffice to win a championship or at least get you close. More often than not, I see people trading JUST TO TRADE. I know injuries happen and sometimes you need to fill a weakness, but a lot of these trades just seem FORCED to me. Here is an example I found in the aforementioned VICK thread:

Traded Vick away two weeks ago in a 12 man redraft, I had Eli as my starter. I gave Vick, Bradshaw and Steve Johnson for AP and Malcom Floyd. I have Chris Johnson as well. Couldn't pass it up but have to admit I have some traders remorse today.

I am not trying to pick on this guy, but this just seemed like a good example. Keeping Eli over Vick? I know it was two weeks ago before Vick blew up last night, but the writing was on the wall in regards to Vicks performance (as someone stated in another thread, his lowest point total has been 25 points in a standard scoring league). And then giving up Bradshaw and Steve Johnson for AP and Malcolm Floyd? That is crazy imo. Do you see what I am saying here? This trade did not need to happen and SHOULDN"T have.

So what I am asking here, is what is it about our fantasy football hobby that we feel like we need to wheel and deal? I would love to make a trade and have that feeling like I fleeced somebody, but in my shark league, that does not happen. I would have to weaken a part of my team to make another part stronger. I guess if it isn't broke, why try and fix it? Anybody have an opinion that isn't sarcastic or mean spirited, since I am just trying to foster some good discussion?

Was his league a keeper league?

 

[Warrior]

Worst thread ever? Talk about 20/20 hindsight...it's easy to critique a trade weeks later. I guess you wouldn't have traded away Brandon Lloyd for Randy Moss in week 1 either, right?

"And then giving up Bradshaw and Steve Johnson for AP and Malcolm Floyd? That is crazy imo."

-seriously?

 

[mdlane]

I think fantasy football is fairly dull without trading. Drafting well and watching the waiver wire like a hawk seems pretty boring and anti-social to me. There is nothing short of a live draft like the thrill of thinking through a trade that is desirable for both parties and then negotiating it or waiting anxiously for a response. I hate the non traders, like people who ignore offers of Forte and MSW for Best preseason (a rejection that basically told me the guy would never trade) and would never play twice in a league full of them. I also hate the whiney traders that make ridiculous offers trying to "sell high" and then complain that no one likes to trade.

For me, trading is easiest when I am trading depth to improve my starting lineup. I am not talking about a crappy quantity for quality offer, I mean when I have two guys that will improve someone else's lineup for one guy that will improve mine. So it is an offer that you can't refuse. I may not always win on pure value, but my lineup

is improved.

In your scenario, I could easily see how AP might improve this guy's lineup. I think AP is a significant upgrade over Bradshaw (chances are) and losing Vick might not signicantly downgrade his QB - especially as of how it looked two weeks ago, when the great sigmund bloom was saying people missed their chance to sell high (btw bloom really missed with a lot of sell highs this year, incl. DMAC).

Anyway,'food for thought.

 

[jmo87usc]

I can definitely see what the OP is trying to say. I wouldn't beat him up just because he is speaking in hindsight. I will admit half of the deals I make I end up losing on and wish I hadn't done it. That being said, it won't stop me, ever.

I like trading more than I like the actual Sunday stat watching part. I am actually sad that my league's trade deadline has passed. Sometimes I make a deal, just for the hell of it.

Also, my goal each year is to win with my favorite players. I would rather lose with my favorite players than win with guys I hate.

For instance, I just traded away Tom Brady and a 3rd rounder in my dynasty league for Eli Manning. Alot of guys thought I was nuts. As a Jets fan, I hate rooting for Brady. I thought he would be a good replacement when Romo got hurt, but after having him for two weeks, I couldn't take it. Plus Eli is playing as well as Brady and is 4 years younger.

Anyway, you have to just have tolerance for the way everyone manages their team. Some guys in my league make 20 trades a year(me). Some guys have only made 5 trades in the 8 years of our league. We just accept each others methods no mater how frustrating they are to us.

 

[rapidskies]

I am the quintasential trader you described in a 10man 20keeper roster dynasty. I offer trades about once every week and sometime I will have 4 traded going at once. I trade when I'm losing, I trade when I'm winning, I trade just to trade.

I was laughing the other day because I realized in my main dynasty league I have at least 1 running back on every other team that used to be mine at some point in time. The trading is the best part of FF to me.

This last year I dealt all my depth away before the season started (Moreno, Cutler, Greene, McCoy, etc), all great dynasty keepers right? Well sort of. I try and keep a core set of studs and deal for high draft picks or studs. This year I had so many empty roster spots I loaded up on the waiver wire and was able to get Blount, Seattle williams, Vick, which to be honest I have already tried to deal some of them. This is my 3rd year in the league and while I've had the best record every year I have yet to win the Championship.

My starting roster:

Vick (waiver wire wonder) lucky

4.24 (traded Turner & Forte for him before he blew up) got lucky

Rice (traded Cutler, Green, PT, and rookie 1.6 for him) overpaid

Megatron (startup draft)

Fitz (startup draft)

Gates (traded 4 guys for including Bush, Lee Evans, couple of years ago)

Pitt D (traded Moss for Pitt D and Ocho 2 years ago)

While trading often bites me in the butt, sometimes it works in your favor and I am getting thin on my roster so now I am running out of things to trade though I do have 3 1st round rookie picks in the next rookie draft. Funny thing is my leage is kinda tuff to get a deal done in so I am usually in the middle of most of the deals trying to get something going.

Now would I trade away any of my starters I got now, prolly not but if the right offer came along who know. haha It's almost not a matter of winning the championship but putting together the youngest studliest starting lineup I can.

yes I am a tradaholic

 

[Novice2]

Trading is evil It should be outlawed.

 

[rapidskies]

I can definitely see what the OP is trying to say. I wouldn't beat him up just because he is speaking in hindsight. I will admit half of the deals I make I end up losing on and wish I hadn't done it. That being said, it won't stop me, ever.

I like trading more than I like the actual Sunday stat watching part. I am actually sad that my league's trade deadline has passed. Sometimes I make a deal, just for the hell of it.

Also, my goal each year is to win with my favorite players. I would rather lose with my favorite players than win with guys I hate.For instance, I just traded away Tom Brady and a 3rd rounder in my dynasty league for Eli Manning. Alot of guys thought I was nuts. As a Jets fan, I hate rooting for Brady. I thought he would be a good replacement when Romo got hurt, but after having him for two weeks, I couldn't take it. Plus Eli is playing as well as Brady and is 4 years younger.

Anyway, you have to just have tolerance for the way everyone manages their team. Some guys in my league make 20 trades a year(me). Some guys have only made 5 trades in the 8 years of our league. We just accept each others methods no mater how frustrating they are to us.

That is so spot on I dealt Cutler because I couldn't stand his "Jerk Face" thing going on hahaha

 

[footballnerd]

its essentially Bradshaw and Vick for ADP, and Steve Johnson/Floyd wash.

you def have to overpay to pull a guy like ADP, but if you're giving away some of your depth to have a deisel starting line up it's prob worth it. This guy can play two RBs but most likely not 2 QBs, why have your talent in a position that can't utilize it. If the trade was after this week he prob could of gotten a better 2nd piece but thats in hindsight

 

[flc735]

completely disagree with OP.

assuming both owners are equally knowledgeable, a "fair" trade is either mutually beneficial, where both parties win. team A trades his top 10 qb2 for team B's top 25 wr4. or a coin flip, where there is no advantage to either side at the time of the trade. this coin flip deal is usually a win win as well, since it is based on each owners player values.

coin flip deal:

according to team A's rankings: team A trades his 15th ranked wr for his 14th ranked wr from team B

according to team B's rankings: team B trades his 15th ranked wr for his 14th ranked wr from team A

^ thats a win-win deal at the time of the trade, with a 50% chance of either owner winning the deal based on future performance.

player values and projections value greatly from owner to owner, we know that. now since you have 11 other rosters in your league, there is an overwhelmingly good chance there is a 'coin flip win win' trade, or two, or five out there for you.

you would rather have your 14th ranked wr over your 15th ranked wr, right? well trading is the way you do that

YOUR NOT LOOSING ANYTHING IF ITS REJECTED

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I play ff to have fun. I have fun making trades. They usually benefit my team but sometimes I'd be better off staying put. But again, I play to have fun the entire season...not just weeks 14-16.

 

[kornbred]

The trade was mine. I replied in hindsight to the Vick Value thread. I guess I should have given more info about my roster but didn't expect to get blasted for a simple trade. My roster at the time was:

Eli,Stafford,Vick

CJ,Bradshaw,Hightower,Bush,Tolbert,Ringer

Roddy,Austin,Wallace,Branch,Johnson,

Witten,Miller

Vinateri

Giants

Johnson wouldn't have started for me, AP was an upgrade over Bradshaw, and I didn't want to pull my hair out deciding between Vick and Eli. Also Jacobs kept vulturing td's from Bradshaw. Seemed like a win win for both teams as my trading partner needed a qb for his bye week and I upgraded RB. I'm 8-2 and leading the points in this league. My trading partner was 3-5 at the time of the trade and 8th in points. He is now 4-6 and curretnly needs a miracle to get into the playoff hunt as 3 teams are 7-3 and 3 are 6-4. It could happen if Vick keeps it up but I seriously doubt it. I would have never traded Vick to a team with a winning record or top 4 in points. I know he can go off at any time and that's the risk I took and my trading partner took. So far it's paid off for both of us. I seriously doubt I traded my season away but thank you for your input.

 

[Da Guru]

I think fantasy football is fairly dull without trading. Drafting well and watching the waiver wire like a hawk seems pretty boring and anti-social to me. There is nothing short of a live draft like the thrill of thinking through a trade that is desirable for both parties and then negotiating it or waiting anxiously for a response. I hate the non traders, like people who ignore offers of Forte and MSW for Best preseason (a rejection that basically told me the guy would never trade) and would never play twice in a league full of them. I also hate the whiney traders that make ridiculous offers trying to "sell high" and then complain that no one likes to trade.For me, trading is easiest when I am trading depth to improve my starting lineup. I am not talking about a crappy quantity for quality offer, I mean when I have two guys that will improve someone else's lineup for one guy that will improve mine. So it is an offer that you can't refuse. I may not always win on pure value, but my lineupis improved.In your scenario, I could easily see how AP might improve this guy's lineup. I think AP is a significant upgrade over Bradshaw (chances are) and losing Vick might not signicantly downgrade his QB - especially as of how it looked two weeks ago, when the great sigmund bloom was saying people missed their chance to sell high (btw bloom really missed with a lot of sell highs this year, incl. DMAC).Anyway,'food for thought.

The OP seems the one of those guys who would be very difficult to trade with. Some owners over-value their own players because they drafted them. Making a deal and trading is a fun part of the game. You win some, you lose some. About 3/4 of the way through a redraft season I am always looking to shorten my bench and have quality over quanity.

 

[ScottyDog]

Hey man, I apologize, you are right, I didn't know about the rest of your team. I shouldn't have used you as an example, sorry. All I was trying to say is that there seems to be a lot of owners that just trade to be trading. From some of the responses it sounds like that is the case.

The trade was mine. I replied in hindsight to the Vick Value thread. I guess I should have given more info about my roster but didn't expect to get blasted for a simple trade. My roster at the time was:Eli,Stafford,VickCJ,Bradshaw,Hightower,Bush,Tolbert,RingerRoddy,Austin,Wallace,Branch,Johnson,Witten,MillerVinateriGiantsJohnson wouldn't have started for me, AP was an upgrade over Bradshaw, and I didn't want to pull my hair out deciding between Vick and Eli. Also Jacobs kept vulturing td's from Bradshaw. Seemed like a win win for both teams as my trading partner needed a qb for his bye week and I upgraded RB. I'm 8-2 and leading the points in this league. My trading partner was 3-5 at the time of the trade and 8th in points. He is now 4-6 and curretnly needs a miracle to get into the playoff hunt as 3 teams are 7-3 and 3 are 6-4. It could happen if Vick keeps it up but I seriously doubt it. I would have never traded Vick to a team with a winning record or top 4 in points. I know he can go off at any time and that's the risk I took and my trading partner took. So far it's paid off for both of us. I seriously doubt I traded my season away but thank you for your input.