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Transgender boy Mack Beggs wins Texas state girls' wrestling title (1 Viewer)

Moe. said:
Understood, just commenting that the UIL's rule seems like a really short-sighted way to look at it. A kid could complete a transition entirely and still have to compete under the sex on the birth certificate.

This all sort of makes my head hurt, and I don't mean that to be insensitive. I could see a future in which women's sports are dominated by transitioning men, which doesn't seem right. Seems like they could look at one differently than the other. 
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I don't think the law  would allow that

 
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squistion said:
Which is related to other transgender issues and rights. You want to compartmentalize it to avoid discussing the rest room issue, but you don't set the rules around here and in the OP there were no restrictions placed to limit the discussion to high school sports exclusively or not discuss related and similar transgender issues.
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My bad. Discuss the bathroom issues in here. With yourself

 
whiskey7 said:
Issues are related but not same. Boy and girl using same restroom and/or changing in the same locker room <> boy physically competing against girl for championship trophy. 
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Right.  He should change with the girls and compete against boys.  Got it. 

 
whiskey7 said:
And rightly so, right? At the point a person goes to a medical professional and says (despite my female genitalia) I am a boy and I want you to help me physically become a boy, they are (or should be) waiving their right to compete in events limited to girls, no?

I suspect it varies by state, but here in MN, a girl can go out for a boy's team if the school does not offer that sport as a girls sport. For example, a girl can go out for football because no schools (that I know of) offer girl's football as a school sport. It doesn't work the same the other way, though. If a guy wants to play volleyball but the school does not offer boy's volleyball, he can't play on the girl's team. Along these lines, perhaps the rule in TX should be amended to include the option for a girl (based on birth cert) undergoing gender change treatment has the option to compete in the boy's division? Of course, then the argument changes from it being wrong that girls have to compete against a boy to its wrong that boys are having to compete against a girl. There are always those who don't feel right about that (understandably so). 
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It's a complex issue and I am not the most knowledgeable on the topic so I don't have a very firm answer here. 

 
Henry Ford said:
I don't think the law  would allow that
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Why is the law always pesky like that?

This thread made me go down a Caster Semenya Google rabbit hole. For those who are hung up on unfairness of Beggs receiving testosterone treatments, I thought the article below was interesting. This issue is way more complex than I would have ever thought. I'm definitely not smart enough to have an opinion on this. You all have fun. 

. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/sports/international/dutee-chand-female-sprinter-with-high-male-hormone-level-wins-right-to-compete.html?referer=

 
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squistion said:
Which is related to other transgender issues and rights. You want to compartmentalize it to avoid discussing the rest room issue, but you don't set the rules around here and in the OP there were no restrictions placed to limit the discussion to high school sports exclusively or not discuss related and similar transgender issues.
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Geesus dude. This is an athletic competition issue. No one wants to discuss the bathroom issue that you're so obsessed with. How many people  have to tell you the same thing? This is as apples and oranges as you can get. Bump the old bathroom thread if you're going crazy not being able to talk about it. 

 
JuniorNB said:
Geesus dude. This is an athletic competition issue. No one wants to discuss the bathroom issue that you're so obsessed with. How many people  have to tell you the same thing? This is as apples and oranges as you can get. Bump the old bathroom thread if you're going crazy not being able to talk about it. 
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Nope. Apples to apples. As I said above: Issues are pretty much the same, transgender being allowed to use of the rest room of the gender he or she has transitioned to, versus a transgender being able to participate in the gender of the sport he or he has transitioned to.

 
JuniorNB said:
Geesus dude. This is an athletic competition issue. No one wants to discuss the bathroom issue that you're so obsessed with. How many people  have to tell you the same thing? This is as apples and oranges as you can get. Bump the old bathroom thread if you're going crazy not being able to talk about it. 
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:Lol:.   this

 
Why don't you want to discuss it? Nobody is asking you to write a novel, you've spent a decent amount of time in this thread, it would probably take you a minute or two to give us your thoughts. It's okay if you aren't consistent, if you could just explain why one is different than the other. 

 
Moe. said:
Why don't you want to discuss it? Nobody is asking you to write a novel, you've spent a decent amount of time in this thread, it would probably take you a minute or two to give us your thoughts. It's okay if you aren't consistent, if you could just explain why one is different than the other. 
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When you hold two diametrically opposed world views, it's very uncomfortable to discuss both together.  

 
Moe. said:
Why don't you want to discuss it? Nobody is asking you to write a novel, you've spent a decent amount of time in this thread, it would probably take you a minute or two to give us your thoughts. It's okay if you aren't consistent, if you could just explain why one is different than the other. 
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Me?

 
Henry Ford said:
Because "PEDs" in this case include hormone injections necessary to the transition. 
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Well that would mean that actively transitioning transgender teens could not participate.   I am guessing folks may have a lesser issue if they were to fare poorly so they might let them participate as males, but never females.

 
Henry Ford said:
Many drugs and/or hormones used in male to female transitions are also on the banned PED list for various sports. Sometimes as masking agents like finasteride. 
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I'm not sure I am going to participate if you insist on using your far greater depth of knowledge during this debate.  If the playing field is going to be uneven, I want it uneven in my favor. I wonder if that has any relevance in this thread.

 
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JuniorNB said:
Unfortunately there is not a rule for every circumstance that ever happens. in life, you kind of count on people having a little bit of Pride and doing the right thing. I doubt the state thought this dude would really go out there and wrestle a bunch of girls. Like I said, I need to see his reaction when he won his championship Match.  If he did anything except shake his opponent's hand and stand there a little bit embarrassed, he's a tool. 
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I agree with this.  If, in HS, I missed the fall boys soccer season because of a rule (say I transfered late, missed paperwork , bad grades, etc.) And found a loophole to play girls soccer in the spring, I would not do so.

I'd kick butt against a bunch of females.  But just because I could, doesn't mean I should.

 
jabarony said:
I agree with this.  If, in HS, I missed the fall boys soccer season because of a rule (say I transfered late, missed paperwork , bad grades, etc.) And found a loophole to play girls soccer in the spring, I would not do so.

I'd kick butt against a bunch of females.  But just because I could, doesn't mean I should.
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This isn't a loophole. This is their definition of who is a boy and who is a girl.  It's their entire state's discriminatory method of dismissing the existence of transgender men and women.  You aren't a real boy.  You aren't a real girl. We won't recognize you as anything and we want you to go away.  

And amidst all of this he has a sport he loves.  That he's good at.  And it's also a way to make a statement about the stupid rules.  He didn't miss the opportunity to sign up, he was given a set of rules that said he couldn't.

Not sure I'd do it, but I don't fault him for it. 

 
Henry Ford said:
This isn't a loophole. This is their definition of who is a boy and who is a girl.  It's their entire state's discriminatory method of dismissing the existence of transgender men and women.  You aren't a real boy.  You aren't a real girl. We won't recognize you as anything and we want you to go away.  

And amidst all of this he has a sport he loves.  That he's good at.  And it's also a way to make a statement about the stupid rules.  He didn't miss the opportunity to sign up, he was given a set of rules that said he couldn't.

Not sure I'd do it, but I don't fault him for it. 
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Let me put it another way.  If you are going full bore into the "I'm a guy" camp, then act like one and don't beat up on girls, regardless of the rules.

 
JuniorNB said:
That's a girl choosing to wrestle better competition.  100% different. 
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Not really choosing better competition. The girls have no other choice since there isn't female wrestling.

It is different, but my point was that we can't call this a guy "beating up" girls. Also, just being a male wrestler doesn't mean you will beat a female wrestler. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Guys aren't supposed to win in competitions against women?  Not supposed to have a higher score at the end of a game?  
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I didn't say that.  If you are talking chess, racecar driving, and Jeopardy, by all means compete.  If you are talking wrestling, track, and basketball, where the physical differences between boys and girls makes the competitions anything but, then the boy should bow out gracefully.

I'm not saying he HAS TO, I'm just suggesting he should, as a male.

 
jabarony said:
Let me put it another way.  If you are going full bore into the "I'm a guy" camp, then act like one and don't beat up on girls, regardless of the rules.
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Completely agree.

Also, ftr, I'm a little surprised - on this topic - I'm agreeing with so many people I normally disagree with.

 
jabarony said:
I didn't say that.  If you are talking chess, racecar driving, and Jeopardy, by all means compete.  If you are talking wrestling, track, and basketball, where the physical differences between boys and girls makes the competitions anything but, then the boy should bow out gracefully.

I'm not saying he HAS TO, I'm just suggesting he should, as a male.
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So if I end up in a foot race with Jackie Joyner Kersee I should bow out to save her pride?

 
I'm surprised how many normally reasonable fbgs are performing mental gymnastics to try to side with the LGBT.

 
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