billparcells
Footballguy
Trying to see if I need to try and trade for Selvin Young, haven't seen any news on the wire..
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Travis "the burner' Henry (1 Viewer)
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ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
I thought Hall was supposed to be the man to pick up?I get confused.
billparcells
Footballguy
Hall, wasn't he the kicker for the Jets with the goofy helmet?
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Given Skeletor's rep and what's been reported on Hall. You don't know that.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
SY has the equivalent of 1 NFL game under his belt.It's called RBBC and it won't be pretty.(SY owner)
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Travis Henry is in trouble?
Who knows what the heck will happen. But you can expect for Selvin to at least get a shot, right?
Who knows what the heck will happen. But you can expect for Selvin to at least get a shot, right?
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
weiner
Footballguy
The bottom line is with Shanahan you just dont know. I have SY and am holding him in the hope he is the starter after weedman is gone. I just know that Shanahan has stated that he is an awesome talent and he has looked great when he has been on the field. We will see soon enough.......
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
If you own SY, I think you should also trade for Andre Hall if possible.It would give you some leverage with the mess that is the Bronco RB situation.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
I thought Hall was on the practice squad, and either Bell or Sapp would be in the RBBC with Young. Am I the only one that heard that?
As a SY owner I'm sad to say that I think you are right.
billparcells
Footballguy
I heard rumors of a three-headed committe, but I think
Young main guy between the 20's
Sapp goal line guy
Bell 3rd down back
Young main guy between the 20's
Sapp goal line guy
Bell 3rd down back
Texican
Footballguy
I think he will be given the first opportunity. If he succeeds, he keeps going. If not, look for one of the other guys to get a chance.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Guys, me and every other Denver fan in here will tell you the same thing: Shanahan and RBBC is a myth. It's happened once in the last 10 years, and that really wasn't it, either. Bell just couldn't handle the load.
Young is second on the depth chart. After the preseason (when Shanahan is known to screw around with things), that chart is set until someone underperforms. Young hasn't underperformed.
Selvin is the guy to have here. The job is his until he screws up. The speculation over RBBC, etc. is just not based in reality.
Young is second on the depth chart. After the preseason (when Shanahan is known to screw around with things), that chart is set until someone underperforms. Young hasn't underperformed.
Selvin is the guy to have here. The job is his until he screws up. The speculation over RBBC, etc. is just not based in reality.
I'm a proud Selvin Young dynasty league owner. 
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
STLB
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
Let us know what you decide.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I'd do it, take a chance on upside with Selvin. (Henry owner here)
PatrickT
Footballguy
Ok. But wouldn't you say that he's prone to give that job to the most unlikely person at any given time? The one nobody thought would get it? Or do you feel that once the season starts, he stays fairly true to the depthchart?Have Selvin in one, Hall in another, curious about this.Keys Myaths said:
PatrickT
Footballguy
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
See bolded. Shanahan usually has a surprise in the preseason, but after that, it's fairly fixed. See Mike Bell for information on both of these.
Haven't you been in enough Henry threads??? There will be no news, just baseless speculation on whether Young, Hall, Sapp, or Bell will be the starter.
RBM
Footballguy
So does Cedric BensonAndre Hall looks impressive on youtube...
RBM
Footballguy
Well you most certaintly dont want to drop Tatum. Way too valuable
PatrickT
Footballguy
Ah, reading skills, they're fundamental!! Thanks.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Totally diagree.Shanahan won't put all his eggs into a player with one NFL game under his belt.We are not talking about Terell Davis or Travis Henry,we are tlkaing about an undrafted RB with 18 career carries.He will not carry the load, in this particular case, the load will be shared.(SY owner)Keys Myaths said:
burd
Footballguy
tater has very little value unless Jones gets hurt. dump the tater
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
here's the news on henry
abe froman
Footballguy
pretty sure Id drop Tatum just so I wouldnt have to admit he's rostered.. let alone to add someone of actual value
theToes
Footballguy
Wow, I gues i should have used the sarcasm moticon when I did this post.
Of course I'm dropping Bell.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
So glad you brought up Terrell Davis.In 1995, he came in as an undrafted rookie. Sound familiar? He shot up the depth charts. Sound familiar?
He got his shot, and carried the load until he couldn't physically go anymore. I'm not saying Young is TD's caliber, but honestly, when Shanahan shoots someone up the depth charts, it's for a reason. Shanahan does NOT do RBBC. Repeat that to yourself several, several times, then go back and check the Broncos' history. Leading rushers and second-leaders for the Broncos shown below:
1995:
1. TD: 237 carries
2. Aaron Craver: 73 carries
1996:
1. Davis: 345 carries
2. Craver: 59 carries
1997:
1. Davis: 369 carries
2. Hebron: 49 carries
1998:
1. Davis: 392 carries
2. Loville: 53 carries
1999:
1. Olandis Gary: 276 carries
2. Terrell Davis: 67 carries*
3. Derek Loville: 40 carries
2000:
1. Mike Anderson: 297 carries
2. Davis: 78 carries*
3. Karon Coleman: 54 carries
2001:
1. Mike Anderson: 175 carries
2. Davis: 167 carries*
3. Gary: 57 carries
2002:
1. Clinton Portis: 273 carries
2. Anderson: 84 carries
2003:
1. Clinton Portis: 290 carries
2. Quentin Griffin: 94 carries
2004:
1. Reuben Droughns: 275 carries
2. Quentin Griffin: 85 carries (moved down for Droughns early in the year)
2005:
1. Mike Anderson: 239 carries
2. Tatum Bell: 173 carries
2006:
1. Tatum Bell: 233 carries
2. Mike Bell: 157 carries
2007:
1. Travis Henry: 102 carries
2. Selvin Young: 12 carries
*Davis tried to come back twice, got hurt twice. This was never RBBC, just injury situations.
Now, look up and down the list.
Your main argument is that Shanahan won't put his eggs into someone with one NFL game under his belt. The bolded names alone prove that theory wrong time and time again.
My argument has been this whole time that Tatum was the only person Shanahan wouldn't run into the ground, because he said multiple times that Bell couldn't handle the load. Again, again, and again. This is the ONLY situation where this didn't happen (and Bell was drafted higher than anyone else on this list, I believe).
Problem is, the Shanahan/RBBC rumors have taken place since before 2005. It's ridiculous. When Shanahan goes with someone, he runs them until they can't breathe.
Spouting out RBBC when you don't know about the Denver coaching staff and situation hurts people trying to make informed decisions. I'm not coming down on you, there's a lot of that in here--way too much. Whenever someone gets hurt/suspended/whatever, we automatically hear "RBBC!" (see: Jordan, LaMont before last week). It's ridiculous, and people make scared decisions based off of it.
The key is to not be scared, it's to be informed. Past statistics and tendencies can tell you a lot. Don't be afraid to go look for them.
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ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Actually you proved the opposite.
None of the last three years is indicative of anyone carrying the load. The carries are split evenly and Griffin was the starter in '04 and he switched. It's been a mess there since Portis left and it's undeniable based on the stats you just provided.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
:sigh:Again, Shanahan said time and time again with Tatum Bell that he was good enough to run for Denver, but he couldn't carry the load. He said this in the preseason he was drafted time and time again. He repeated it over and over for the next two seasons.He's said nothing of the kind with Young, and has only given praise to the young back.And you probably didn't see Griffin play in 2004. It was a trainwreck. Pretty hard to play yourself out of a job in Denver, but he did it.I wouldn't call what Droughns (a converted fullback, mind you) did "a mess". These are pretty clear exceptions, rather than the rule. The problem is "recency error". People apply the most recent situations as a rule, rather than looking at the entire picture. It's ingrained into the human psyche, and it's something you actually have to work to avoid. Again, the way to avoid that is to look at the past.Jesus, this team ran Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, and Reuben Droughns into the ground as their #1 back. If you've seen Young, you know already he's 5 times the player any of those three were. Olandis freakin' Gary.God, I wish we had that O-line back.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
OK the above discussion pretty well settles it for me. It will be Hall, based on 11 years of Shanny shennanigans
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
When Shanny has an uber talent he'll run him to the ground.Don't be fooled into thinking SY is an uber talent,he's an undrafted project with big upside and 18 career carries.I need to be convinced that he can handle more than 12 carries per game on this level.I think it will be more like 2005 and 2006,SY 200 Hall / Bell / Sapp / Guy off the street 185(pro-rated)
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Gopher State
Footballguy
Don't think so. Shanny will run Henry into the ground the next 4 weeks or so.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Sounds a lot like Mike Bell. I'm not sure I follow your point.
