I'm also taking some stabs at DJ Chark.
Man, I am regretting that my one dollar bid on Shaheed got bested by a guy with a worse record bidding a dollar. I figured everybody was asleep at the wheel on weeknight and could grab him. Nope. No such luck.
Watching Shaheed last season reminded me a lot of watching Tyreek Hill in 2016.
Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
What if Thomas can't stay on the field?
Honestly even if he just projects out to this year from the last 6 games of last season when his snaps finally got over 50%, he'd be sitting around 60 rec. for about 1100 and 3 TDs. That'd make him a high end WR3. Being realistic, his crazy 82% efficiency will likely fall considering he gets mostly moderate - deep targets. But I also would figure some positive TD regression and a bump in snap share. It definitely will come down to how good MT looks and how long he stays healthy. If MT falters, Shaheed will look like a steal in hindsight. I still don't see a WR1 this year regardless, but a WR3 (probably with some volatility in week to week numbers) I think is a reasonable conservative projection.Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
What if Thomas can't stay on the field?
With Carr behind center and no Thomas it's feasible that Shaheed takes substantial leap in volume.
As much as I like him, I'd have to agree here. Even projecting Shaheed to be a talent level close to Hill; in that offense and with how amazing Olave looked, I don't see him being a WR1 in the near future like heading into 2025. Maybe if he goes D-Jax level nuts on numerous 70+ yard TD catches, but who would really continue projecting that forward even if it did happen one year. Too much volatility.What if Thomas can't stay on the field?
I was thinking about Olave. I didn't really mention or think of Thomas because I think Doug was talking about 2025. So yeah, Shaheed might be the second banana on the Saints, but even then I'm not sure the Saints offense can carry two guys that get WR1 volume. I don't think Derek Carr has ever been the guy to support two receivers in such a way.
I don't expect Dennis Allen to open up really, either. He was a lifelong D coordinator before coaching the Raiders, and he continued on the defensive side of the ball after. I don't know for certain, but it strikes me that old school guys like to run and control the football.
Long story short is that I don't expect Shaheed to get enough volume to be a WR1 going into 2025, which is admittedly a ways away.
Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
Considering I don't own Olave anywhere, I hope this is the case lol. But (and I'm probably in the minority here), I like him as an individual WR better than both London and Wilson already. Not sure why they both overshadowed him so much this offseason as most of their projection worthy stat numbers are even. Likely it's the Andy Dalton effect. Trying to parse out crap QB play and looking at a very sticky stat for WR projections like YPRR though, Olave topped both. In fact, he had the fifth highest YPRR for a rookie over the past decade; behind only Beckham, AJ Brown, Jefferson, and Chase. I know, just one stat. But I really wish I could get any of my leagues owners to sell him for even close to what I see his average going rate in other leagues. Hot take warning alarm: I think he's the next guy to move into that Chase/Jefferson tier. Carr did well enough keeping Adams there, I think he can do it with Olave. Hopefully the offense sees the potential and just lets it grow (kinda like Vikings did the JJ).Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
Now that's a take. Would love this as I have Shaheed in multiple leagues but is this realistic? Olave looked the part from what I saw, would be shocking if he became 2nd fiddle to Shaheed.I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
Top 12 WR? "Outside" better be pretty long odds. It's unlikely to be a high volume passing offense so Shaheed would need to pass over Chris Olave and have Thomas miss another full season.Shaheed will be a fantasy WR1 going into 2025 drafts. Outside chance of reaching that status even for 2024
hmmmmmI don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
Based on what exactly?Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
Stats aren't everything, but I found it interesting to look at Olave's and Shaheed's respective December/January games last season, when the two started games together. Olave was still playing the Z-receiver position he started the season with. Shaheed was playing the X position, by then vacated by Michael Thomas and Jarvis Landry. Their usages started to essentially converge over those last several games.
Stats in order: Offensive Snaps / Targets / Receptions / Yards
Week 13, @ Tampa Bay
Olave - 41 / 6 / 4 / 65
Shaheed - 36 / 4 / 4 / 75
Week 15, ATLANTA
Olave - 27 / 4 / 3 / 53
Shaheed - 39 / 4 / 3 / 95 (1 TD)
Week 16, @ Cleveland (This was a snow-and-wind game, six degrees F outside. Saints only attempted 15 passes)
Olave - DNP - Hamstring
Shaheed - 23 / 5 / 4 / 41
Week 17, @ Philadelphia
Olave - 42 / 5 / 4 / 42
Shaheed - 36 / 4 / 4 / 75
Week 18, CAROLINA
Olave - 36 / 12 / 5 / 60 (1 TD)
Shaheed - 50 / 4 / 3 / 34
Based on what exactly?Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
Marquez Callaway that one year he was the saints WR1 technically
Any Hodgins love still out there or wasted pick?
Jebus. Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael is just kneecapping these guys' careers. Sorry all.Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
(An apparently out-cold Hulk Hogan starts wagging his finger ... )Based on what exactly?Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
Dude had 3 receptions. They just happened to be 50 yards each.(An apparently out-cold Hulk Hogan starts wagging his finger ... )Based on what exactly?Interesting prediction. We shall see. I'm not sure there's enough volume in the NO offense to turn him into a WR1 over Olave.
I don't expect Olave to ultimately hold off Shaheed as the team's #1 wideout.
No, no ... far from a victory lap. Just noting that Shaheed is "still alive" for an eventual shot at the #1 WR slot in New Orleans. After it looked like "no chance" two weeks ago.Is this supposed to be a victory lap? Quoting my post from (checks notes) July?
I feel like Shaheed is NOS version of Darnell Mooney. He's a deep threat best ball type who doesn't command enough targets to be a WR1-2-3No, no ... far from a victory lap. Just noting that Shaheed is "still alive" for an eventual shot at the #1 WR slot in New Orleans. After it looked like "no chance" two weeks ago.Is this supposed to be a victory lap? Quoting my post from (checks notes) July?
Truth be told, Chris Olave's apparent back-sliding -- though probably overblown -- plays into it, as well. Olave's still getting the targets right now.