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That's a pretty good synopsis. Also, the idea that teams "stack the line" couldn't be more wrong. Stopping Evans are priorities 1, 2, and 3 for any halfway smart defensive coordinator since they can't run against 7 man fronts and there's no 2nd threat in the passing game.IvanKaramazov said:
I disagree on the assessment that teams are not stacking the line against the Bills on our running plays and likewise flooding the zone with defenders on passing plays. I have harped on this in other threads, but the Bills' playcalling has become woefully predictable to the point where teams know exactly what is coming. A great writeup on this was done on buffalorumblings.com a few weeks ago and the problem only became much, much, much worse today against the Patriots. At any rate, it is impossible for any QB in the NFL to excel when your play callers are tipping your plays before they are even snapped and that is what Edwards is suffering from now.
I don't get it..... These stats are not that back. If you look at them a little more objectively....2004 (He threw 5 Balls) was a rookie2005 His first meaningful action he threw 8 TD's to 8 Pics while starting 8 games. Not totally bad.2006 His first full season as the starter as a 25 year old threw for 3,051 yards with 19 TD's to 14 ints with a 62% completion percentage2007 Cheap shot to his knee in the third game of the year. 4 of his 7 starts were against very good defenses, Pit, Ne, Jac and Den.2008 has played in one game, and played well.So other than 2006 his first full year as a starter it is tough to gauge him. I know he has had some problems with decision making and extending drives, but any more than Edwards has I don't quite know yet.Also, JP did this with less then Edwards has at this point. Now, I think Edwards is going to be a descent QB, but I still think Losman will get another shot at starting somewhere during his time in the NFL or at least a shot to compete for a role. He is still young enough 27 that someone will have a look at him.I mean people keep saying Edwards is leaps and bounds ahead of Losman. I don't agree with that. It had appeared Edwards had the ability to make better decisions but this season he has 7 td's to 7 int's and 5 fumbles with 4 of them being lost. Edwards career.... 14 TD's to 15 ints. This Edwards is much better than Losman stuff is not entirely true.The most popular guy in town is always the backup QB.
Well that's definitely true. "I don't see 60 yard bombs on sportscenter so he must have a weak arm!"
I just don't know about this argument any more with Edwards vs Losman. I would loved to see what Losman would have done after his good year as a starter had he not been injured. Losman was not part of this camp and therefore they went with "their guy" Edwards. I think Edwards is going to be descent but Losman was still not given a fair shot thats a fact.
Yah I was going to go thru a longer response about how horrible JP was vs. Denver & Pittsburgh last year, but that works too. One startling difference in addition to the intelligence is that they actually utilize the middle of the field with Edwards....it's like crossing routes don't exist with JP.
The numbers on the playcalling don't lie. Defenses simply know what we are going to do and when we are doing it. And I am not the type of guy to automatically point fingers at the coaches... I thought both Gregg Williams and Mike Mularky did not get a fair shake from media and fans.With respect to Schonert in particular, I give him a lot of credit in being more aggressive in the passing game particularly in terms of trying to stretch the field. But now it is too the point where we run less than even all of the run & shoot teams from the '90s.
I think the pass protection has regressed considerably this year, particularly during this losing streak. Both the Dolphins and Jets defended the pass by flooding the zone with eight defenders and only rushing three or four... and they still were able to bring consistent pressure. Peters has been beaten on a number of big plays for sacks, but everyone else on the line has had their share of bad moments. We have had particularly awful play at center (although this is not a new problem), but what is troubling is that our guards are still ineffective at providing doubleteams against good nose tackles (see the lost two losses). Injuries have hurt to some extent as well (i.e., reserve tackle Kirk Chambers had no business starting at guard yesterday in place of Brad Butler, and it showed).Teams have figured out that Edwards is actually good at beating the blitz with quick reads and a quick release. The opposite strategy of bringing only four while putting more men in coverage has worked wonders against us and we will likely continue to see it until (i) our offensive line can provide consistent protection against three and four man rushes, and (ii) we show a commitment to running against the soft fronts.
this is exactly how i'd sum it up!
Losman had his chances. 2005-2007. He showed flashes, but never looked like a consistent winner.Edwards is a young player suffering through some growing pains. They're not going to yank him just because he hit a rough patch.
Probably true, I've only seen the Bills sporadically this year...but they were awesome tonight, Edwards had several plays where he had 4-5 seconds to go through his progressions, and he made terrible decisions. Deer in the headlights after that start.Great throw to Royal late in the game, but he played scared the rest of the night.
Fist off Edwards is 25 vs Losman who is 27.Secondly, Losman was never ever given a fair shot with this regime after Edwards was drafted they looked for any reason to pull him. Losman was never allowed to play through his bumps as a "young player." Losman had a very good season as a 25 year old throwing for 3, 051 yards with 19 TD's to 14 int's with a passing percentage of 62.5 %; he also ran for 140 yards and a td. Edwards as a 25 year old starter with a better team is on pace for 12 TDs to 16 int's. So Losman deserves to get yanked through his rough patch, but Edwards gets the pass???
Ask any Bills fan about Losman. They'll tell you that he's simply not a very good QB. He throws a nice deep ball, but is inconsistent and easily rattled in the pocket. The coaches had plenty of time to evaluate him in games and in practice. He had over three full seasons in Buffalo before the Bills staff decided to go with Edwards. The people who actually see these guys practice every day (the Bills front office and coaches) have much more riding on this decision than either of us and they clearly saw something that made them favor Edwards. Losman had his chance and didn't deliver. Barring utterly abysmal play from Edwards, Losman is done in Buffalo.
You keep quoting Losman's 1 average year, but you intentionally keep omitting his 7 fumbles. Why?
It sure looked liked Edwards had open receivers downfield last night but was hesitant to throw the ball more than 10 yards. I guess opening up with 3 picks in the 1st quarter really shook him up.
He was terrible last night, but he's been playing with a lot less confidence ever since the Miami game. It's like all the sudden he's completely scared every time he drops back. Good quarterbacks are capable of shrugging off bad plays, but Edwards obviously isn't there.
I don't know if this is something that you want brought up when Edwards has 5 lost fumbles on the season.
Why? Just because Edwards looks lousy doesn't mean that Losman suddenly got better. He still sucks.
The only person that ever benefits from Loserman at QB is Evans. I don't have Evans so keep Loserman where he is.
I was going to post this. And I would love a list of 25 year old QB's that had seasons as good as Losman did or at least comparable. The problem here is Edwards may be good, but Losman may be just as good but was not given that fair shot. People keep on saying Losman just does not have it. The problem is if you play that card it appears that Edwards too just does not have it. I think Losman will probably be given another shot somewhere to at least compete for a starting job and only time will tell how he does with it.
It does no good to give Losman another shot at this point. His contract is up at the end of the season. And unless the Bills gave him a huge guaranteed signing bonus, there's no way he'd re-sign with Buffalo. They've put their eggs in the Edwards basket, for better or worse for now.
What a lousy situation for all parties -- particularly Bills fans. That must have been some concussion Edwards suffered -- poor kid is seeing ghosts all over the field.
TE is the perfect "Jauron QB" - play not to lose. TE is our QB because DJ is our coach. The only way the Bills can get Losman under center, or another QB that takes chances throwing the football over 10 yards, is to get rid of the weeny that decides the lineup.JP really adopted the city, and would stay for a reasonable offer if he was the starter./ OK. I'm done with my fantasy thinking. To even imagine that the Bills would get rid of Jauron (after a 3 year extension) is to pretend that Ralph became a big spender in his sleep last night. One thing Ralph has always been consistent with was this - hire the cheapest staff /head coach that he thinks gives the team a chance to win. And avoid the 'big' personalities - too high maintenance. Its hard to even imagine a guy like Bill Polian leading the Bills front office 15 years ago. Of course he came cheap (from the CFL.) But really, there must have been some kind of warp in the time-space continuum that would result in RW hiring someone that dang competent.
The most popular guy in town is always the backup QB.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
