Trent Richardson owners, what have you been offered for him so far? (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

This year, sure, he wasn't featured as much. Probably because the new coaches came in and said "wait a sec, this cat just isn't that good." Time to face the facts guys -- a young Adrian Peterson level talent isn't getting traded for a mid / late 1st. Great FF back? Maybe, we'll find out this year. Elite NFL back? Hell to the no.

Par for the course from you. You have been singing the T-Rich hate for months.

First of all it's been years, and second, it's not hate. I've been one of the only people pointing out that the fantasy community has hugely over-rated this guy from day one. I've never said Trent sucks. Not once. I've said he's not elite. Big difference there. I think he might be a good player, even if he hasn't shown it thus far.

What's truly amazing is how you move the goalposts around depending on the player in question. With Richardson, phantom injuries are a legitimate excuse for his performance. With McFadden, not so much. With Richardson, the horrid efficiency stats aren't a concern. With virtually anyone else (most notably Matt Forte), efficiency stats are the end all. You form an opinion on a player, then you'll literally argue that position in the face of any overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I'm just calling things the way I see them.

You should probably get some more excuses ready -- McGahee is about to come in and will probably average over 4 YPC for the Browns, while Trent continues to plod along at well under that mark despite being in a better situation.

For years that has been the modus operandi of EBF for players that he has a real strong opinion on - and no, not for every player he has an opinion on (anticipating the Straw Man argument he always raises).

With Richardson, he said repeatedly before he was drafted by the Browns that he was a Mortal Lock to succeed in the NFL. Now, that may ultimately turn out to be true, but it is quite amusing to watch these contortions he has to go through by cherry picking data to bolster his arguments and ignoring anything to the contrary that suggests his crystal ball might need recalibration.

 

[mjm3773]

Just offered Spiller and Fleener to the TRich owner in my 3 keeper league.

 

[SD1977]

Dynasty League

I Give: TRichardson ,C.Patterson

I Get :Vick, Daryl Richardson ,Josh Gordon

Needless to say ,It was rejected ,quickly.

 

[EBF]

How do you explain the fact that he sucked before he hurt his ribs last year? And he sucked through two games this year even though he's fully healthy? I'm gonna LMAO when McGahee is way more effective in the same situation.

He hurt his ribs in the 10/14 game against Cincinnati. In the five weeks prior he had 81 carries for 303 yards. Nothing special to be sure, but not necessarily a nightmare for a rookie on a horrendous team. Doug Martin over that same stretch had 84 carries for 323 yards. I guess he sucks too, right?

There are all kinds of problems with your take on this player. Primarily...

- Total disregard for his injury.

- Total disregard for his poor situation.

- Total disregard for his lack of experience.

If you look around the league at the elite tailbacks, you'll find some guys who were instant smash hits. Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Doug Martin come to mind. You will also find a lot of guys who didn't have big debut seasons. Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, LeSean McCoy, CJ Spiller, Arian Foster, Michael Turner, Maurice Drew, Michael Turner, DeAngelo Williams, Ray Rice, and Jamaal Charles didn't even start as rookies. RB has one of the shortest learning curves of any NFL position, but there's still a curve. To expect a future Pro Bowler to come into the league and dominate from day one isn't very realistic. Even for the guys who are handed a starting job from day one, there will often still be a learning curve.

BTW you can put away the scouting reports when we have 350+ NFL touches to go on over two seasons. Or just use your eyes -- running hard and slow in a straight line does not an elite RB make.

Yes, for example that LaDainian Tomlinson fella who carried the ball 339 times as a rookie for a pathetic 3.6 YPC. You could tell right away that he just wasn't very good. Nevermind the fact that he was a top 5 draft pick and an elite NFL prospect. That mediocre rookie season proved once and for all that he was garbage.

Also, how about that Ricky Williams guy? 253 carries in his rookie year at just 3.5 YPC. What a terrible running back.



The longer a player is in the league, the better our understanding of what that player can do. You clearly believe that one injury-plagued season on one of the worst teams in the league is enough to give you a perfect understanding of what Trent Richardson can do. For me, it's largely inconclusive. Maybe he will turn out to be the mediocrity you think he is. Maybe he will become one of the best all-around backs in the league. I tend to lean towards the latter, but in reality we don't fully know who he is yet. With that being the case, I'm inclined to believe that his elite draft pedigree absolutely still matters. Just as it did for LaDainian Tomlinson, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson, Marshawn Lynch, and CJ Spiller when those guys were struggling on weak teams.

This really isn't rocket science. When a guy is a top 5 overall draft pick and he has a top 10 FF season as a rookie with broken ribs on one of the worst teams in the league, there's a pretty good chance that he might be a good football player. Richardson going from the sludge bucket that is Cleveland to the penthouse that is the Luck Colts will likely turn out to be a godsend for his career. My hunch is that people who are ripping him now will look mighty foolish 2-3 years from now when he's in the midst of an Edgerrin James type of career.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

His ribs were ok this year though, right? Still at a 3.4 ypc first 2 games this year.

FF perspective he will get plenty TD's in Indy this year, but it will be very interesting to see if his ypc ever hits 4.0 or much above that.

People keep asking what does it mean if McGahee does as well or better than Richardson. - Well what if Richardson doesn't do as well as the 4.39 ypc that Ballard/Brown/Bradshaw have put together? In fact what if he does much worse around the 4.0 or lower mark.

 

[menobrown]

Just accepted an offer of TRich for my Demaryius in a standard redraft.

Nice.... have fun watching Trent go Priest/LT/ADP on these cats

His longest run in the NFL is 32 yards. Let's stop with the craziness here.

He ended up in the end zone so he ran it as far he could and you could use a does perspective. The "great" LT had exactly two runs over 30 yards his rookie year with a high just over 50 and a similar YPC.

 

[Spike]

My thought, for those looking to acquire Richardson, is to wait until after the Seattle game. His value (dynasty) should be lowest at that point and maybe he can be gotten on the (somewhat) cheap from an unenlightened owner.

 

[meyerj31]

I turned down Martin in a dynasty league.

eesh, I don't know about that. Martin has been there, done that, on a run-heavy team, and has proven he can do everything ... For giggles I just offered TRich for Martin and was laughed at ... which, I expected to happen. I don't see how you can take a proven top 2 fantasy producer, injury-free, for a guy who has a ceiling he's never hit.

 

[amnesiac]

trying to trade him in my dynasty league and only getting very low ball offers.

if i can get a top 5 WR i'll be ecstatic.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's weird, only crap offers even though I am firmly convinced his value went UP from where it was at the time he was traded. Granted, his value has gone down since before week 1 cause he has not looked all that great, but his value went up the moment he was traded.

That said..............I offered RIchardson and the choice of Blackmon or Steve Johnson to a guy for Dez.................he turned it down and made this trade:

Dez

2014 2nd

for

ROddy White

James jones

Deangelo Williams

Not sure if that is an idication of how people view Richardson, or this guy had a total brain fart.......or both.

 

[fruity pebbles]

offered Julio Jones and was rejected. Very deep at WR and nothing at RB. 16 team ppr league, i think he's making a mistake.

 

[ghostguy123]

offered Julio Jones and was rejected. Very deep at WR and nothing at RB. 16 team ppr league, i think he's making a mistake.

yes he is, wow. You are making one for offering

 

[chasyone]

I offered the Richardson owner Reggie Bush + Demarco Murray for Richardson. His other RBs are Miller, Sproles and Starks. He is 0-2. It's a redraft league. Thought it was a good offer but he said he is good with what he's got.

 

[RBM]

Offered the TRich owner in my dynasty Ridley, Demaryius and Cook yesterday.

Hasn't said no yet but I don't think he's going to do it. Pretty surprised actually.

Officially declined. He said he'd do Trent for McFadden/Demaryius but I can't do that.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been offered David Wilson + two 2014 1sts, likely mid-ish. 16 team non-PPR dynasty...

 

[ghostguy123]

I've been offered David Wilson + two 2014 1sts, likely mid-ish. 16 team non-PPR dynasty...

Thats a tough one. I think I would take WIlson and the picks

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've been offered David Wilson + two 2014 1sts, likely mid-ish. 16 team non-PPR dynasty...

Thats a tough one. I think I would take WIlson and the picks

I'm mulling it over, considering asking for a little more. It's a huge floor/ceiling trade. The "floor" is Wilson is a bust, and I get two late 1sts next year and I don't get anyone with impact. The ceiling is that Wilson is comparable to Trent, and I get to "free" 1sts.

 

[ghostguy123]

I've been offered David Wilson + two 2014 1sts, likely mid-ish. 16 team non-PPR dynasty...

Thats a tough one. I think I would take WIlson and the picks

I'm mulling it over, considering asking for a little more. It's a huge floor/ceiling trade. The "floor" is Wilson is a bust, and I get two late 1sts next year and I don't get anyone with impact. The ceiling is that Wilson is comparable to Trent, and I get to "free" 1sts.

Pretty sure there is a very low floor for him, too. There is the possibility Wilson will be better, and you get two 1sts.

I can see standing pat though, but I do the deal

 

[bmsarvis]

How do you explain the fact that he sucked before he hurt his ribs last year? And he sucked through two games this year even though he's fully healthy? I'm gonna LMAO when McGahee is way more effective in the same situation.

BTW you can put away the scouting reports when we have 350+ NFL touches to go on over two seasons. Or just use your eyes -- running hard and slow in a straight line does not an elite RB make.

I read somewhere that trent had eight broken tackles in his first game on only 13 attempts. His pass pro is another but the first bit of that game trich looked great when running the ball. I cant speak of the second week game as I didnt watch much of it.

 

[EBF]

I've been offered David Wilson + two 2014 1sts, likely mid-ish. 16 team non-PPR dynasty...

Wouldn't do it. I know Wilson has his fans and I still think he has potential, but in this case I would take the bird in hand.

Mid firsts in a non-PPR are not really worth that much and I like Richardson >> Wilson at this juncture.

 

[ghostguy123]

How do you explain the fact that he sucked before he hurt his ribs last year? And he sucked through two games this year even though he's fully healthy? I'm gonna LMAO when McGahee is way more effective in the same situation.

BTW you can put away the scouting reports when we have 350+ NFL touches to go on over two seasons. Or just use your eyes -- running hard and slow in a straight line does not an elite RB make.

I read somewhere that trent had eight broken tackles in his first game on only 13 attempts. His pass pro is another but the first bit of that game trich looked great when running the ball. I cant speak of the second week game as I didnt watch much of it.

He is not as bad as his stats show, but he certainly is not the "stud talent" people thought he was coming into the league. He just isn't.,

However right now in Cleveland, we have the two worst guards in the league by far. While Joe Thomas is GREAT, he is not the greatest run blocker. Good, but not great. He might be the best pass blocking LT there is though. Mack is good. Mitchell Swartz played MUCH better last year but has looked terrible so far this year.

The line is not set up for anyone to be able to run well right now, and no, I do NOT think Mcgahee does very well at all.

Also doesnt help when there was no Gordon, and Weeden sucked it up badly.

I am not saying Richardson is great, but I definitely think he is a very good player that had tough running on a team with a very bad QB and MAJOR problems on the line with two starting guards out and Shwartz sucking.

He did break a lot of tackles, so there is something to be encouraged about.

Also, for people saying the Colts blocking isnt as good as the Browns, I PROMISE YOU their run blocking is better than the Browns has been so far this year.

 

[ghostguy123]

forgot. I did get offered Fitzgerald and "a bit more" for Richardson. Just ot sure what the bit more was, we didnt get that far cause I didnt want to do it.

 

[Gopher State]

offered Wilson and Ingram for Richardson, no other offers in 16 team re draft

 

[SD1977]

offered Julio Jones and was rejected. Very deep at WR and nothing at RB. 16 team ppr league, i think he's making a mistake.

2 days before the big Trade I actually traded Julio Jones and Lamar Miller for Trich , Torrey Smith and a 1st rd pick.

Im happy about this.

 

[Nick Nasty]

Got Harvin, R Wayne, J Thomas and McGahee for little, Richardson, m Floyd and v brown

 

[bulger2holt]

I am a moron for taking TRich #2 in a 12 team PPR redraft. I swallowed the hype past. I was thinking everydown back, no competition and young and hungry. The only thing I forgot was, stacked box and bad offense. Hopefully this trade makes it where he at least a top 10 back.

 

[menobrown]

He is not as bad as his stats show, but he certainly is not the "stud talent" people thought he was coming into the league. He just isn't.,

I agree with the first part of that statement and not sure how I would classify my opinion on the last part of that statement except to say I guess it's relative to what you thought of this talent. Personally I thought he was a stud fantasy talent while simply a very good NFL talent. I still feel the same way.

From a fantasy perspective looking at it in terms of him meeting my expectations. Before he ever played a down I was in an existing FFPC league and one startup. In the existing league I traded Gronk for him. I still do that move today. In the startup league I traded up from 11 to 8 and took Richardson. I still do that move today.

After his rookie season I joined another FFPC startup this year and took him 1.3. I still make that pick today.

So I don't mention that to share my teams with people just to say while I would have liked more production to this point I would not have changed a thing.

In one of my FFPC main event leagues I took Richardson at 1.7. Now that pick I absolutely regret. A bad two week performance so far, San Fran on a short week, Seattle in two weeks, and presence of high quality back who if nothing else should eat into his third down role if not more. I see better days ahead than what he's done so far this year but I also don't see this pick panning out either.

But I think it's a long term win for Richardson. Most notably to play with a great QB on a real offense and against what is traditionally a much easier schedule. So to me his trade lowered his redraft value while upping his dynasty stock. Either way whatever I thought of him up to this point, in terms of dynasty leagues at least, has not changed.

Now in terms of real life football and not fantasy. I've been hearing a lot of, "he's not ADP" around here lately. Maybe that was a big discussion when he came out but I was never in that group and I'm a guy who continues to invest in him. I've been watching football seriously since 1980 and in that time I've seen a lot of freshman RB's who could play a situational role on some NFL teams, some who might have been able to start for some teams. But I've only seen three who could have skipped college and become instant pro-bowl RB's. Herschel, Bo and Peterson. These guys are in different class. Richardson is not in that class, never was and never will be but it does not mean he can't be a very good NFL player.

When Richardson entered the league I thought his running style was very similar to that of Jamal Lewis. Still do. That's good, that's just not Adrian Peterson kind of stuff. What made Richardson in my view such an appealing fantasy prospect is he offered three down back skills and exceptional receiving ability. Basically a guy who projected as a high TD/high reception guy. Again I still feel that way. I'll also say I thought Richardson, due to what he offered in the receiving game, could be a better fantasy back than Adrian Peterson but that does not mean he's as talented.

Adrian Peterson is who he is and I don't know another RB in the league who stacks up to him on a talent basis so I for one am a little worn out on the "he's not Adrian Peterson" business. Who is? If people are disappointed Richardson is not the same stud talent as Peterson I don't think that's ever going to change because I don't think he is either.But I think it's silly to write him off a marginal player, a sub current Willis Mcgahee type player as was insinuated earlier or someone who long term won't provide big dividends to fantasy owners provided he can remain healthy.

 

[ghostguy123]

I actually think this trade HELPS his redraft value. It only hurts for one week. This week.

 

[ghostguy123]

WHo do you take straight up right now in the FFPC, Richardson or Cobb?? Meno, obviously you take RIchardson.

Hmmmmmm, I seriously am not sure who I prefer, may very well be roster dependent.

 

[bmsarvis]

How do you explain the fact that he sucked before he hurt his ribs last year? And he sucked through two games this year even though he's fully healthy? I'm gonna LMAO when McGahee is way more effective in the same situation.

BTW you can put away the scouting reports when we have 350+ NFL touches to go on over two seasons. Or just use your eyes -- running hard and slow in a straight line does not an elite RB make.

I read somewhere that trent had eight broken tackles in his first game on only 13 attempts. His pass pro is another but the first bit of that game trich looked great when running the ball. I cant speak of the second week game as I didnt watch much of it.

He is not as bad as his stats show, but he certainly is not the "stud talent" people thought he was coming into the league. He just isn't.,

However right now in Cleveland, we have the two worst guards in the league by far. While Joe Thomas is GREAT, he is not the greatest run blocker. Good, but not great. He might be the best pass blocking LT there is though. Mack is good. Mitchell Swartz played MUCH better last year but has looked terrible so far this year.

The line is not set up for anyone to be able to run well right now, and no, I do NOT think Mcgahee does very well at all.

Also doesnt help when there was no Gordon, and Weeden sucked it up badly.

I am not saying Richardson is great, but I definitely think he is a very good player that had tough running on a team with a very bad QB and MAJOR problems on the line with two starting guards out and Shwartz sucking.

He did break a lot of tackles, so there is something to be encouraged about.

Also, for people saying the Colts blocking isnt as good as the Browns, I PROMISE YOU their run blocking is better than the Browns has been so far this year.

very good post

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I turned down Martin in a dynasty league.

Martin has been there, done that, on a run-heavy team, that's about to go through a major overhaul.

Fixed

 

[Kree]

Was offered (and will likely take) two first round picks next year. Very high projection on both, top 5.

PPR, 2 Super Flex spots as well as a QB position.

I would take a Seastrunk + Boyd or Bridgewater + Lee. for him.

 

[RushHour]

One league I'm in the T-Rich owner traded him straight up for Spiller after this weekend. Redraft PPR. Seems about right - 2 "elite" backs with some redraft question marks.

 

[Short Corner]

12 team redraft standard

My Trent + Decker

for

AJ Green + FJax

or

Mega + Lacy

Hope someone bites

 

[DreamTheater]

Was Offered:

D Richardson

D Wilson

Fitz

2014-- 1-2-3

for

TRich

Rice

 

[dewmass]

Have been offered Gio + D.WIlson in a keep 5 PPR. I'm hovering on accepting

 

[anon33]

What do you think of this offer? Re-draft PPR:

Sproles/Nicks for T-Rich/Shorts

 

[Super King]

I've been trying to shop him for a WR in my 16 team PPR (redraft). Was offered Decker before last night's game, but that deal has since been pulled (owner wants to counter-offer now) All the other offers being put out there are for guys like Doug Baldwin, Smiff, S. Rice, etc... Guys they aren't even starting.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

What do you think of this offer? Re-draft PPR:

Sproles/Nicks for T-Rich/Shorts

I'd rather have Sproles than TRich, I'd rather have Nicks than Shorts.

Was offered Spiller straight up for Trich. Upside versus low production. Prolly gonna hang tight.

 

[Short Corner]

12 team redraft standard

My Trent + Decker

for

AJ Green + FJax

or

Mega + Lacy

Hope someone bites

AJ and FJax it is

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Have been offered Gio + D.WIlson in a keep 5 PPR. I'm hovering on accepting

That's a great deal for you.

 

[maksdaddy]

Jimmy G, Woodhead, Ellington

for

Trent, Moreno, Vernon

ppr + yardage/ 50+ yard td bonus

 

[G-Money]

I completed a deal for Trent this morning.........12 team Redraft/Standard PPR

I Got: TRich

I Gave: Ridley/Gronk

Ridley was my weekly RB2, and wanted to scrap ties to that weekly mess of a backfield. Losing Gronk is tough, but have Cameron/Orange Julius to cover the position.

 

[steeler6]

Did this deal right after the trade.

I give Bilal Powell, Ryan Broyles, Megatron

I get Trent, Josh Gordon, T.Y. Hilton

Coming off 2 championships (snuck into the last playoff spot on the last week of the season last year) and then the following happened to my team since the end of last year, Hernandez in jail, Michael Turner out of the league, traded the players I took with my first 2 picks for Steven Jackson, Greg Jennings has Ponder throwing to him, Mike Williams wishes he had Ponder throwing to him but has someone much worse, and Tony Gonzalez off to a very slow start. All this led to being low scorer the first 2 weeks and me looking towards the future.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

trying to trade him in my dynasty league and only getting very low ball offers.

if i can get a top 5 WR i'll be ecstatic.

Same here ...14 Team Dynasty and nobody remotely interested

 

[Super King]

I have a trade pending (stupid 3 day trade review) where I send Trent and Broyles, and i get Cruz and M. Bush in a 16 team PPR. I'm super thin at WR and have enough RB depth.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

I have a trade pending (stupid 3 day trade review) where I send Trent and Broyles, and i get Cruz and M. Bush in a 16 team PPR. I'm super thin at WR and have enough RB depth.

Wow, man. Without knowing the rest of your squad, this seems like way too little in return, imo.

 

[Super King]

I have a trade pending (stupid 3 day trade review) where I send Trent and Broyles, and i get Cruz and M. Bush in a 16 team PPR. I'm super thin at WR and have enough RB depth.

Wow, man. Without knowing the rest of your squad, this seems like way too little in return, imo.

It is redraft. And we do reward big plays. And the only WRs behind my WR1 (Nelson) are Roberts, Lance Moore and the mentioned Broyles We only start 2 WRs. So I needed a WR.

 

[Mario Kart]

Are owners still trying to get top dollar for this guy or holding?

 

[ghostguy123]

I have a trade pending (stupid 3 day trade review) where I send Trent and Broyles, and i get Cruz and M. Bush in a 16 team PPR. I'm super thin at WR and have enough RB depth.

Wow, man. Without knowing the rest of your squad, this seems like way too little in return, imo.

It is redraft. And we do reward big plays. And the only WRs behind my WR1 (Nelson) are Roberts, Lance Moore and the mentioned Broyles We only start 2 WRs. So I needed a WR.

Looks like a great move in redraft or dynasty.