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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
the 1st post in this thread is pretty funny
He has plenty of cutback ability and has the quickness to dance around tackles. Just can't explode past them. Seems that as soon as he cuts past one tackler, there's another waiting because he just doesn't have the burst to get himself through the 2nd level.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
He leaves so much yards on the field. His vision is very questionable as I have been saying since the offseason.
Always losing
Footballguy
When Brown had the huge run, there was a massive hole for him to run through. How come Richardson isn't getting those kind of lanes? Seems like the D was always locking onto him when he was in the game. Luck did seem to throw a whole lot more with him in the game?
Disposable Hero
Footballguy
I didn't watch the game today and I'm not defending him in any way but look at what some of the other top drafted backs did today:
Martin - 27/35 - 1.7 ypc
Foster - 27/102 - 3.8 ypc
Charles 18/65 - 3.6 ypc
Spiller 23/77 - 3.3 ypc
I don't know what to make of this, seems like there is no consistency in the run game this year. McCoy/Charles(with the exception of today), Forte, Peterson(TD's have hepled) and Lynch have been consistent but I doubt you could move TRich for any of them. I'm a frustrated owner and would move him but for what??? I really thought or was hoping this week he would go off and it sounds like the opposite. So who do you look at moving him for?
Martin - 27/35 - 1.7 ypc
Foster - 27/102 - 3.8 ypc
Charles 18/65 - 3.6 ypc
Spiller 23/77 - 3.3 ypc
I don't know what to make of this, seems like there is no consistency in the run game this year. McCoy/Charles(with the exception of today), Forte, Peterson(TD's have hepled) and Lynch have been consistent but I doubt you could move TRich for any of them. I'm a frustrated owner and would move him but for what??? I really thought or was hoping this week he would go off and it sounds like the opposite. So who do you look at moving him for?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
you missed your chance to get top value for him
Disposable Hero
Footballguy
I agree but is he a hold now, not redraft but keeper/dynasty league? Indy didn't give up a 1st round pick for him to sit on the bench, they will feed him the ball and he should get some G/L carries as well. Maybe I just want him to succeed?
cstu
Footballguy
I wanted him to be my franchise player alongside AJ Green. Doesn't look like that's gonna happen. Like you said, though, Indy didn't give up a 1st rounder for him to sit on the bench. Once he and Luck establish a rapport and get the checkdown game going, he should be at least as valuable as last season, perhaps more, at least in PPR. He's not looking like the stud we hoped, but I'll probably hold unless I can get someone to bite on a package for a sure-fire stud RB.
He has a nose for the endzone and can catch the ball. That's worth a spot on my roster, at least.
thehornet
Footballguy
agreed. he really doesn't look sharp. I was hoping the ypc would stabilize today. this was not encouraging.
az_prof
Footballguy
If he isn't more productive, you are dreaming. There comes a point where even the team will have to see that the backups are doing better and then winning takes precedence over sticker price/pride.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
3.0 ypc.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I just suck at talent evaluation cause i really thought he was going to be the next great RB. I had some doubts with Ingram but Richardson i thought was surefire. He doesn't suck but im not sure where his speed went. Donald Brown looked like he was fired out of a canon compared to Richardson.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
His YPC is worse with Indy than it was with Cleveland.
Disposable Hero
Footballguy
I watched him in college and he was a beast but that does not always translate to the NFL. I'm not great at talent evaluation but was going on the premise of what the so called experts were saying. I'm not sure how much the low YPC is on him or poor run blocking/lack of knowledge of the system etc., but as previous posters said, 2 weeks now where the backups looked better. I thought last year he looked pretty good considering the team he was on. But now I'm not sure as he should have bigger holes/better lanes to run through. Maybe it is poor vision and cut-back ability. I don't think I'll be able to trade him for anything decent at this point.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Bradshaw is a stud pass blocker -- if he's also significantly better with the ball in his hands this isn't going to happen. This isn't the Browns -- Pagano is trying to win games here. He's not going to feature an inferior player just to protect the GMs ego. Richardson should still have RB2 value as the designated goal line hammer, and due to the fact that Bradshaw's foot will necessitate a less than full time load.cpd90 said:
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Where is that Alabama homer that thinks Richardson is the best RB of all time?
I understand this, and it will probably keep Richardson off the field most 3rd downs when Bradshaw is healthy, but that doesn't mean they won't pass the ball when Richardson is on the field.
You state this as though he'll never have a pass thrown his way. He'll have plenty. This isn't a run-run-pass league anymore.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Where again did I say he'll never have a pass thrown his way? I was responding to your "at least as valuable as last year in PPR" comment. If he doesn't start doing something, he's not coming anywhere near last year's 50 catches IMO. If he can't manage better than 3.0 YPC, he's probably unlikely to match last year's carry total, either. Jury's still out to some extent, but with every passing game it's looking more and more like he's just not very good.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
“It validates the stupidity of the Browns front office.”--ESPN analyst and former Bears HC Mike Ditka voicing his opinion of the Trent Richardson trade
Ofcourse Ditka is the one who traded away his entire draft for RB Ricky Williams.
I don't think that turned out too well for him.
Mike Holmgren said if he were the coach of the Browns and he was told the team had traded away Richardson that he would walk.
Holmgren is the guy who whiffed on sealing a deal for QB RG III. With egg on his face from that fiasco he wound up trading three draft picks to move-up one spot in order to secure drafting RB Trent Richardson.
Holmgren didn't have to make that deal but without having gotten RG III he used the extra first round pick gotten in the deal Atlanta used to draft WR Julio Jones to draft 28 year old QB Brandon Weeden.
Now that the Browns traded away Ricahardson and with Brian Hoyer Wally Pipping Weeden well...
Ditka and Holmgren are no longer coaching or running franchises.
I think that says it all.
Ofcourse Ditka is the one who traded away his entire draft for RB Ricky Williams.
I don't think that turned out too well for him.
Mike Holmgren said if he were the coach of the Browns and he was told the team had traded away Richardson that he would walk.
Holmgren is the guy who whiffed on sealing a deal for QB RG III. With egg on his face from that fiasco he wound up trading three draft picks to move-up one spot in order to secure drafting RB Trent Richardson.
Holmgren didn't have to make that deal but without having gotten RG III he used the extra first round pick gotten in the deal Atlanta used to draft WR Julio Jones to draft 28 year old QB Brandon Weeden.
Now that the Browns traded away Ricahardson and with Brian Hoyer Wally Pipping Weeden well...
Ditka and Holmgren are no longer coaching or running franchises.
I think that says it all.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Pretty amazing the contrast between Holmgren's HOF level talents as a coach vs. his unbelievable incompetence as a GM / personnel guy. He set the Browns back years.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Why waste time when every play is the same? Get handoff, run slowly into the pile, fall down for a three yard gain.
Kleck
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
FootballGuy22
Footballguy
Damn, even Blount can run for more than 20 yards!!!
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I don't have Richardson on one team. My favorite team, the Colts are 3-1 and in 1st place in the division. I can promise you, I'm not mad...bro.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I was just offered the following trade:
Shane Vereen and a 2014 2nd rounder
for
Trent Richardson and a 2014 1st rounder
Thoughts? Comments? His stock sure seems to have fallen quite a bit. No way that trade gets offered just 4 weeks ago.
Shane Vereen and a 2014 2nd rounder
for
Trent Richardson and a 2014 1st rounder
Thoughts? Comments? His stock sure seems to have fallen quite a bit. No way that trade gets offered just 4 weeks ago.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
For the record. I was offered Richardson and the 2.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Oops backwards.
I was offered Richardson and a 2014 2nd
For
Vereen and a 2014 1st
I was offered Richardson and a 2014 2nd
For
Vereen and a 2014 1st
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
if the 1st was a top 5 looking pick id think about it
ebsteelers
Footballguy
Ben Jarvis Green Ellis junior.
what did rich have 13 fantasy points yesterday? another 3 yards a carry.. smh..
what did rich have 13 fantasy points yesterday? another 3 yards a carry.. smh..
hxperson
Footballguy
IMO in redraft unless you already have 2 other tier 2 or better RB's, he's probably a hold. Very disappointing day yesterday but running backs that get steady carries (especially near the GL) are still pretty hard to find, and I think at this point you'd be hard pressed to get a Ridley or even a Powell for him. I think people would be better off hoping (praying?) that with more time in the system he'll show better vision (he's looked brutal in that regard) and that he only looked slow because he was being hesitant. I have not doubt he will continue to get chances over the next few weeks, especially since he hasn't been costing the Colts any wins - so he should remain startable in the near term, but if he keeps playing like this he will lose his job sometime in the second half. If you have 2 other strong RB's and can get a strong contributor in another position for him, I would do it. Given how most owners this year are starving for consistent production from the RB position, I think this is still a possibility.
In keeper/dynasty if you can get a first round rookie pick plus a solid contributor for him, I might do it. That being said I own him in dynasty and I am not hitting the panic button at this point. I have seen plenty of times when a player just doesn't "get it" with regard to understanding a system or preparation in the offseason, and later on a light switch turns on for them. Trich is clearly physically talented but something appears very wrong with him right now and I'm guessing its in the head. Hopefully he can fix this, and fortunately for me I the can afford to be patient in that league.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't know about this -- running is a pretty instinctive skill. Stuff like ball security, route running, and pass blocking are more of a craft -- that stuff can be fixed with hard work and coaching. Poor vision / instincts and lack of burst I'm not so sure about. It's really starting to look like Richardson (and Ingram for that matter) is just a guy who got to run behind an NFL-level offensive line in college.
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