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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Well for what it's worth guys, I think he looks terrible for all the hype. I just offered an 0-4 team who has Ray Rice the following package: t-Rich, James jones and Pierce for Julio Jones, Lamar miller and Ronnie Hillman. He accepted.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Buy now
FootballGuy22
Footballguy
I tried to move Richardson ever since the deal was announced but had no luck so decided to take the risk and move Foster. I had RB depth and filled my other holes. If you're bullish on Richardson still I would move someone with greater value to improve your team.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
What would you pay for him? And I'm interested to hear your reasoning for wanting to buy following this weekend's game?Sabertooth said:
I've got TR in two big money leagues and am about to start sending out feelers for him.
I find it unlikely that many trades for TR will go down. If you are buying him now, you are likely trying to "buy low," and I think he would have more value to his current owners than others would be willing to pay.
If I had a deep WR core, I'd be willing to offer a WR2. Eddie Royal, Nate Washington, Brian Hartline, Eric Decker. Guys in that range. I doubt that would get it done, though.
As far as why I'd be interested: He's going to be the GL back, I believe. He's going to get carries, even if he only averages 3.5 YPC, you give him 15 carries at 3.5 YPC, that's 52 yards. Throw in a TD every other game, and you get between 5-12 FF points/game. That gives him value as a flex play/RB2 option.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I've been to Trent's house. As you might assume he has a low ceiling but a high basement.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
lol. the guy who rejected my julio for richardson offer a week ago just resent it.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
trent richturdson
DreamTheater
Footballguy
In a 12 team Dynasty league - sent out feelers after last week..
Was offered the likes of:
Chris Johnson
Bilal Powell
Joique Bell
My team will be 1-3 as I sank last 2 weeks with Rice and Trent and no RB depth.
Impossible to upgrade as there are no trades ever made in this league.
looking at a top 5 rookie pick next year i guess.
Was offered the likes of:
Chris Johnson
Bilal Powell
Joique Bell
My team will be 1-3 as I sank last 2 weeks with Rice and Trent and no RB depth.
Impossible to upgrade as there are no trades ever made in this league.
looking at a top 5 rookie pick next year i guess.
KCitons
Footballguy
Look on the bright side, the Browns are probably going to take a RB in the top 3 picks next years. And the circle is complete.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I was thinking of offering Gore for T-Rich bloom is high on him.
DreamTheater
Footballguy
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
we really, really should've seen this coming. between mark ingram (the REAL "next ron dayne", not many worse RBs in the NFL right now) and now this, i think it's time to conclude that bama RBs are a product of that monster o-line. this has me thinking lacy is a must-sell in dynasty...
the reason i say we should've seen this coming is that the template for this situation was right in front of our eyes just a few years ago: carroll's USC teams. just think of how many fantasy guys from there turned out to be hot garbage in the NFL - i'm thinking "beware of guys from absurdly stacked college teams" could be a good general rule going forward!
the reason i say we should've seen this coming is that the template for this situation was right in front of our eyes just a few years ago: carroll's USC teams. just think of how many fantasy guys from there turned out to be hot garbage in the NFL - i'm thinking "beware of guys from absurdly stacked college teams" could be a good general rule going forward!
I'm thinking TRich for Chris Johnson could be a steal after the Titans week 9 bye ... their run defense schedule becomes incredibly easy from weeks 10-16. Meanwhile the Colts run defense is pretty much brutal the rest of the way.
Plus, CJ is getting the touches.... he's gotta break one at some point, right?
I am baffled by the lack of use of CJ in the passing game. Isn't the point of someone with his skill-set to get him into space???
Plus, CJ is getting the touches.... he's gotta break one at some point, right?
I am baffled by the lack of use of CJ in the passing game. Isn't the point of someone with his skill-set to get him into space???
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cstu
Footballguy
If he were some inferior talent who went to Alabama and excelled I would blame the system, but he was a 5 star recruit who also had exceptional strength and size/speed ratio. I always thought Ingram was over-rated since he wasn't a special athlete. Trent is, but maybe he's not a special RB.
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Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
Where is the explosion we saw on tape at Bama? Dude is running scared these days.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
My reasoning to pay for him is that he had a crappy game and still put up 13.6 FP in PPR. People act like the sky is falling but in reality he was the 17th best PPR back yesterday just a week after joining the team. He outshone guys like Giovani Bernard and Doug Martin. Nobody is bailing on them yet. He outscored Lesean McCoy and Demarco Murray too.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
did you accept?
I wonder how different this thread would be if Indy would have ran the ball on 1st and goal at the 4 instead of 3 straight passes, and Trent punched it in for another TD. He was that close to having a 2 TD game people. He won't get you 6 YPC, but he will produce fantasy points in this offense. You all are over thinking things.
need2know
Footballguy
The play calling the whole first half was strange. They didn't even really try to run it. That sequence at the goal line was really dumb imo. They would have had an easy td if they had just handed it to trich.. he's going to score alot of tds in this offense. I like those more than yards
Jewell
Footballguy
That scenario might pacify the people in this thread arguing about Richardson's fantasy value, but there are numerous people in this thread who are instead arguing Richardson's real life talent. Even had Richardson converted that one yard plunge people looking at the box score still would have seen a 3.0 yards per carry average, and people watching the game still would have seen Richardson run slow and indecisively.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
Exactly, A back taken (twice) in the first round should be able to salt away a game when you are up by 2-3 scores. Richardson's low YPC makes that difficult to do.
Again, we are talking about the JAGUARS defense. They were giving up over 5 ypc to the top running backs over the first three games. I really wish Colts coaches would have given Brown a few more carries to confirm what was happening. Three carries is too small of a sample size to say for certain. But, you can certainly argue Richardson had multiple opportunities to break a run longer than 12 yards.
Charles' longest run week two was kept under 20 yards. Otherwise, every team had at least one player (and sometimes 2) break long runs against the Jax defense every week.
I haven't read through this thread and it has probably been mentioned, but seriously: how much does it matter whether Trent is effective in real life? I know this sounds like a bad question and it will obviously matter to some extent, but the Colts just spent a first on him and he'll obviously get his shot. His 3.6 YPC and 63 YPG last year weren't anything to write home about, but he accumulated 12 total TDs .... He should get similar opportunities to score at the goal line, and will hopefully break off some 15 yard TDs (he had 4 TDs from 15-35 yards out last season). So perhaps the real question isn't about Trent's ability, but more about Bradshaw's ability to leech away Trent's fantasy value.
My point is, he can suck and still have great value....look at last season. Just something to keep in mind before people start selling super low.
KCitons
Footballguy
I agree with your statements to an extent. The difference for me is where he will fall in a fantasy football draft as compared to real NFL draft. When it comes to fantasy, I want my first round RB to perform every week and be in the top 12-16 (depending on league) in scoring. When a player fails to do that over a long enough period of time, then I consider him a bust.
The Colts may have well brought Richardson in to be part of a RBBC with Bradshaw. Using each for a specific talent. But again, when it comes to fantasy football, rarely does a RBBC work out well for everyone owner.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
In redraft that may hold true, as he may continue to get a lot of work through the end of the year based just on what they gave up for him. Even on that front though, it could not only mean that he'll wind up with more lame duck games when he doesn't find the endzone (since he won't be able to make up for it with yardage), but it could be the difference between him being a feature back on an explosive offense vs him being just another guy in a 50/50 timeshare with Bradshaw. It's also worth noting that Bradshaw has a pretty good nose for the endzone himself, so if he doesn't distance himself from a production standpoint he could easily be splitting those carries as well.
It makes a much bigger difference in dynasty, obviously. Bradshaw is on a 1-year deal and Richardson's real life ability could be the difference between him being the #1 FF RB for the next 7 years vs him being some guy that splits carries as a solid RB2 for a couple years before fizzling out of the league. The difference between him being the next LT or the next Rashard Mendenhall.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
dynasty. let's just say i was in the camp that thought the colts were going to make a big difference for trent. i watched the game, it was painful.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
rjv
Footballguy
I'm a TRich owner and I'm a bit worried with his hesitant nature and was contemplating trading him, but in the end I'm just going to roll with him due to the fact I will not get in return where I drafted him.
What I want to bring up,If it wasn't already, when Brown was in the game the size of the holes he was running through we're massive compared to when TRich was in. I may be bias with this observation but I don't believe I am.
What I want to bring up,If it wasn't already, when Brown was in the game the size of the holes he was running through we're massive compared to when TRich was in. I may be bias with this observation but I don't believe I am.
JFS171
Footballguy
I'm debating this in dynasty myself. Paid a high price for Trent this offseason believing he was a top-3 dynasty back. I still believe that to an extent, and I think the Colts offense is a definite good thing for him, but selling on a player like this is tricky. What if he is the next Ingram? Then you're certainly getting more now than you would later, based on similar arguments to what's alreayd been said in this thread - he's been with the team 10 days and his running reflects unfamiliarity with the system, not a lack of decisiveness or ability.
I'll admit I'm nervous. In my 16-team dynasty, RBs are incredibly valuable - especially 3-down horses. But one team in the league that's loaded with depth is interested, and has said the only untouchables on his roster were Cam, Dez, and AJ Green. That leaves me to put together an offer from the following:
RBs - Spiller, Wilson, Miller, Vereen, Christine Michael
WRs - Antonio Brown, Austin, Givens, Randle
TE - Gronk
Picks - (2) 2014 Firsts -- one late, one likely to be top 5
It's tricky. If Trent puts it together... watch out. If he's mediocre talent in a good situation, than Gronk + Wilson may be worth it, or heck Gronck plus a 1st.
I'll admit I'm nervous. In my 16-team dynasty, RBs are incredibly valuable - especially 3-down horses. But one team in the league that's loaded with depth is interested, and has said the only untouchables on his roster were Cam, Dez, and AJ Green. That leaves me to put together an offer from the following:
RBs - Spiller, Wilson, Miller, Vereen, Christine Michael
WRs - Antonio Brown, Austin, Givens, Randle
TE - Gronk
Picks - (2) 2014 Firsts -- one late, one likely to be top 5
It's tricky. If Trent puts it together... watch out. If he's mediocre talent in a good situation, than Gronk + Wilson may be worth it, or heck Gronck plus a 1st.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
ppr have to start a te id take gronk for him straight up
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'd add to Trent (significantly if need be) to get Gronk. Gronk is like a prime Randy Moss that you get to start at TE for the next 8-10 years. That's worth more than pretty much any RB, let alone a ? like Richardson.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
rjv
Footballguy
Wow nice Kool,guess I wasn't seeing things
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ebsteelers
Footballguy
RB Trent Richardson, IND - Richardson doesn't have an elite burst like LeSean McCoy or Jamaal Charles, but he is getting what is there and adding yards after contact in the Colts running game. His 3.0 yards per carry might discourage some, but he is running hot in the red zone, and Richardson is still poised to be the ball control back in a good offense on a winning team
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Don't think anyone ever questioned his running power. Its his burst, vision and ability to avoid tacklers that people are wondering about. The fact that he gets most of his yards after contact can be seen as a positive or negative.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, it seems like it takes a bunch of guys to bring him down, but he's not really moving forward at all. His yards after contact were actually pretty close to the bottom among RBs last year (1.6 / carry IIRC).
Todem
Footballguy
I have a decent feeling he will get better each and every week. I think it is way too early to call him a bust. He will be heavily involved in this offense going forward and we all know Bradshaw has a bum foot and now neck.....he can't stay on the field.
T-Rich will have plenty of red zone chances and will get even more involved in the passing game.
T-Rich will have plenty of red zone chances and will get even more involved in the passing game.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I noticed last week too that the o-line just seemed to try harder when Brown was running the ball.rjv said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hey I'd say if you own Richardso trade him for someone more valuable but less notable right now, I'm not sure this gets any better and if you wait to long to find out then everyone else will too.
UFGator0587
Footballguy
There's talk of Bradshaw possibly needing season-ending surgery. I know Trent hasn't looked good and is probably very overrated as a runner, but I could certainly warm up to the idea of him in that offense with only Brown behind him instead of the possibility of a RBBC of some sort with Bradshaw.
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