Triple Crown Winner California Chrome (2 Viewers)

[simey]

Secretariat's time was 22 lengths better than today's winner. CC didn't deserve the Triple Crown.

Big Red was in a league of his own.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I couldn't believe that guy could complain like that. It's not like the same horses can qualify for each race....the Belmont is a very different race than the Kentucky Derby and Preakness.....I think it's at least a 1/4 mile longer, and that makes a big difference in a horse race.

I mean, I think that California Chrome was the 8th horse since 1979 to win both the Derby and Preakness, but to lose the Belmont. You didn't hear those owners ##### and moan about losing the Belmont. As others have said, it's tough to win the Triple Crown.

And it's not like California Chrome just barely lost either. Finished fifth, at least a few lengths behind the winner.

He just looked like a complete ### on national TV.

Big sore loser.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Wilfred Brimley's speech left a lot of people happy CC lost, myself included.

No horse deserves an owner like that.

 

[sports_fan]

I hope they interview him after a horse wins the triple crown next year.

"Empty Bowels wins the Belmont Stakes by 30 lengths to take the Triple Crown!"

 

[shuke]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

 

[17seconds]

Ranting fool had a point but you need to make that point in a professional way. Was rooting for CC but I'm kind of glad he lost after seeing that guy's true colors.

I don't know anything about horse racing, but if that's always been the rules, the guy doesn't have a point.

What I mean is, I'd be willing to listen to his point to see if it is legit but the way he did it was horrible. Nothing "cowardly" went on today. When I saw him crying after CC won the Preakness I thought this guy was some big hearted owner. Turns out he's just an overemotional #####.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

If they had the same horses run every race, California Chrome still would have lost today.

 

[Raider Nation]

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[Sarnoff]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

 

[Tom Servo]

Only 5 horses in that race?

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Saw a stat on ESPN that since 1978, there have been 15 winners of the Belmont Stakes who did not run in the KD and the PS.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Went off at 1 to 10 odds.

 

[lod01]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

Exactly. That is what separates and solid horse (Chrome) and a triple crown winner.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I originally thought he had a point and it was just horrible timing to complain right after the finish. If your horse qualifies for the Triple Crown, but you hold him until the final race to increase your odds of winning, it sounds unfair at best. Then I found out that this is the way it has always been done and is why the Triple Crown is so elusive. I heard a trainer say that if they only had horses who ran in the KD and Preakness run the Belmont, there would only be a few horses racing because of injuries and scratches.

Just reading about secretariat finishing 22 lengths faster is crazy, and makes me think California Chrome isn't in the same class.

 

[Mile High]

Did other TC winners run against fresh horses, or only horses that also ran in the Kentucky Derby?

Fresh horses? How long ago was the last race?

I think most horses only race 6 or 7 times a year so 3 in 6 weeks is above the average

 

[Dan Lambskin]

He's still going on about it

""They hold out two (races) and then come back and run one," said Coburn. "That would be like me at 6-2 playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair. They haven't done anything with their horses in the Triple Crown You figure out. You ask yourself, 'Would it be fair if I played basketball with a child in a wheel chair?"

 

[lod01]

He's still going on about it

""They hold out two (races) and then come back and run one," said Coburn. "That would be like me at 6-2 playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair. They haven't done anything with their horses in the Triple Crown You figure out. You ask yourself, 'Would it be fair if I played basketball with a child in a wheel chair?"

Translation: 'I lost a #### load of money because my horse sucked at the Belmont.'

 

[BRONG]

Poor sport.

 

[17seconds]

He's still going on about it

""They hold out two (races) and then come back and run one," said Coburn. "That would be like me at 6-2 playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair. They haven't done anything with their horses in the Triple Crown You figure out. You ask yourself, 'Would it be fair if I played basketball with a child in a wheel chair?"

Don't know that I've ever seen a grown man grasp for sympathy so much.

The whole thing about it being cruel to the horses was BS too. Animal cruelty, metaphors of kids in wheelchairs. Gimme a break crybaby.

 

[BRONG]

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LOL

 

[crewmember]

Changing the nasal strip rule wasn't enough, more rule changes cowards!

Had the 11 to win, and the 8 across the board. was going to exacta it but tri boxed them with Chrome instead. Would have hit that and 10 cent super if Medal Count didn't exist.

 

[Sarnoff]

t if they only had horses who ran in the KD and Preakness run the Belmont, there would only be a few horses racing because of injuries and scratches.

Yep, the field would be tiny.

Not many horses, even of this class, can even attempt 3 races in 5 weeks to begin with. It's not healthy for the horse. Then you factor in that not every horse will be able to go the 3 different distances at such a young age.

Owner's a dope.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

"... may not be a mile-and-a-half horse. The best horse won. I got beat, that’s all. Tomorrow’s another day"*

Spoiler

Though maybe if they had postponed that Belmont so the favorite could heal.... Unfair!

 

[Foosball God]

He's still going on about it

""They hold out two (races) and then come back and run one," said Coburn. "That would be like me at 6-2 playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair. They haven't done anything with their horses in the Triple Crown You figure out. You ask yourself, 'Would it be fair if I played basketball with a child in a wheel chair?"

What a dooshbag

 

[DrJ]

Guy goes out looking like a Lebron.

 

[pizzatyme]

To be fair to Chrome, how many lengths ahead of every other Triple Crown winner would Secretariat's Belmont time have been?

 

[Dan Lambskin]

To be fair to Chrome, how many lengths ahead of every other Triple Crown winner would Secretariat's Belmont time have been?

It's hard to make an exact comparison since the track can play differently on any given day, but the answer is a lot

He set a track record of 2:24

Seattle slew won in 2:29.60

Affirmed 2:26:80

Really rough numbers are 6 lengths per second

 

[NutterButter]

5 horse?! How can you even compare that race to today's version?

 

[pizzatyme]

To be fair to Chrome, how many lengths ahead of every other Triple Crown winner would

Secretariat's Belmont time have been?

It's hard to make an exact comparison since the track can play differently on any given day, but the answer is a lotHe set a track record of 2:24

Seattle slew won in 2:29.60

Affirmed 2:26:80

Really rough numbers are 6 lengths per second

I think that makes my point. Maybe none of the other 3C winners would have been worthy contenders on Secretariat's day. CC was beaten, but that doesn't make him less than a terrific horse.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Secretariat would have won a 100 horse race that day.

 

[Tom Servo]

Truth.

 

[simey]

Secretariat had Rangers speed.

My uncle lived in Louisville during the 70s, and we used to go visit him every year. I think he secretly dreaded it, because one of us kids always broke something in his house every time we went. Anyway, one year my parents went with my uncle, aunt, and some others to the Kentucky Derby, and it just happened to be the year that Secretariat ran. My mom said watching that horse run was breathtaking. This is a picture of my dad (who had one too many cocktails) running on the track prior to the race.

 

[sports_fan]

ok but could he beat 1 horse sized duck?

 

[shuke]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

I doubt that affects the purse enough that would make an owner hold a viable horse out of the Derby.

 

[Sarnoff]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

I doubt that affects the purse enough that would make an owner hold a viable horse out of the Derby.

Oh, sure. Agreed. But it might tempt some owner on the fence who already decided to skip the Derby anyway but sees a good field and large payday at Belmont.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Secretariat had Rangers speed.

My uncle lived in Louisville during the 70s, and we used to go visit him every year. I think he secretly dreaded it, because one of us kids always broke something in his house every time we went. Anyway, one year my parents went with my uncle, aunt, and some others to the Kentucky Derby, and it just happened to be the year that Secretariat ran. My mom said watching that horse run was breathtaking. This is a picture of my dad (who had one too many cocktails) running on the track prior to the race.

So your dad was Brian Fantana?

 

[Insomniac]

Paid $2.20 to win $2.40 to place

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

I doubt that affects the purse enough that would make an owner hold a viable horse out of the Derby.

Oh, sure. Agreed. But it might tempt some owner on the fence who already decided to skip the Derby anyway but sees a good field and large payday at Belmont.

The owners are getting paid by the track the same for winning no matter what the horses odds are and the track is getting their 18% (give or take a few % depending on the track)

The odds only affect the bettors

 

[Tom Servo]

In 1973 that was BIG MONEY!!!

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Yep. That mutha wanted to run and I think would've smoked whoever was out there that day.

I'm trying to think of another event comparable and all I can come up with is Michael Johnson in the 200/Atlanta(?) and Usain Bolt, who coasted in

 

[Insomniac]

To be fair to Chrome, how many lengths ahead of every other Triple Crown winner would

Secretariat's Belmont time have been?

It's hard to make an exact comparison since the track can play differently on any given day, but the answer is a lotHe set a track record of 2:24

Seattle slew won in 2:29.60

Affirmed 2:26:80

Really rough numbers are 6 lengths per second

I think that makes my point. Maybe none of the other 3C winners would have been worthy contenders on Secretariat's day.CC was beaten, but that doesn't make him less than a terrific horse.

Best Times for Belmont Stakes (when run at 1 1/2 mile)

Secretariat (1973) 2:24.0

Easy Goer (1989) 2:26.0

A.P. Indy (1992) 2:26.1

Risen Star (1988) 2:26..4

Gallant Man (1957) 2:26.6

I always thought it was 5 lengths per second so the next best horse ever in the Belmont would have been 10 lengths back.

I saw a couple of idiotic columns today that backed the CC owner. Horse racing has always been about finding a good spot for the horse. Unless you want to see 4 or 5 horse fields in the Belmont, requiring all the horses to run both the Derby and Preakness is a stupid idea.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

How in the hell was Secretariat's run in 1972 many lengths better than this last race? I mean don't they breed these horses to be better?

 

[HellToupee]

Wilfred Brimley's speech left a lot of people happy CC lost, myself included.

he has a little Big Enos Burdette in him

 

[gianmarco]

Secretariat had Rangers speed.

My uncle lived in Louisville during the 70s, and we used to go visit him every year. I think he secretly dreaded it, because one of us kids always broke something in his house every time we went. Anyway, one year my parents went with my uncle, aunt, and some others to the Kentucky Derby, and it just happened to be the year that Secretariat ran. My mom said watching that horse run was breathtaking. This is a picture of my dad (who had one too many cocktails) running on the track prior to the race.

That looks like Joe Pesci with hair to me.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

How in the hell was Secretariat's run in 1972 many lengths better than this last race? I mean don't they breed these horses to be better?

Not really. The breeding could be making them worse at least stamina wise and you need stamina for the Belmont.

Here's what I see happening with the breeding,

If you have a champion horse, you may not run him past 3 year old because you don't want to tarnish his legacy by seeing him start to lose. Mounting losses can mean losing a lot of money in stud fees. They want to breed him at peak reputation. Even if you do run him at 4, you probably don't run him past 4 because you want to start getting those stud fees and you don't want to risk a life ending injury. Therefore natural evolution means these horses are getting weaker, just because they don't race as long. It may be a while before this really takes shape but it's happening.

Then on top of that, horses are not being bred to being distance horses like this. There are a lot more races at a mile, mile and a 1/8. or less. The Belmont is pretty rare at a mile and a half, it's just not a typical distance for a big money race.

 

[simey]

Secretariat had Rangers speed.

My uncle lived in Louisville during the 70s, and we used to go visit him every year. I think he secretly dreaded it, because one of us kids always broke something in his house every time we went. Anyway, one year my parents went with my uncle, aunt, and some others to the Kentucky Derby, and it just happened to be the year that Secretariat ran. My mom said watching that horse run was breathtaking. This is a picture of my dad (who had one too many cocktails) running on the track prior to the race.

That looks like Joe Pesci with hair to me.

These days he is 75 w/ short gray hair, and he has no mustache. He actually resembles Pres George W. Bush a lot.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Tonalist didn't qualify for the Kentucky Derby because he missed an important qualifier with a lung infection. Then he won the Peter Pan Stakes, which took place one week before the Preakness.

Clearly it's all a large conspiracy and the rest put him at an enormous advantage.

 

[Sarnoff]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

I doubt that affects the purse enough that would make an owner hold a viable horse out of the Derby.

Oh, sure. Agreed. But it might tempt some owner on the fence who already decided to skip the Derby anyway but sees a good field and large payday at Belmont.

The owners are getting paid by the track the same for winning no matter what the horses odds are and the track is getting their 18% (give or take a few % depending on the track)

The odds only affect the bettors

I am assuming the owners will bet on their own horse.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Did all the horses that finished in front of CC only run this race?

The first 2 only ran in this. Medal Count ran in the Derby. It's a lame argument. Horrible sportsmanship.

Did they qualify for the Derby and skip it? It was a poorly said rant but if they are letting in horses that didn't Derby qualify I somewhat get what he's saying.

Why?

Does he really think these horses are "sitting out the Derby" just to spoil a triple crown?

If the horse is triple crown caliber, it should win 3 straight races regardless of the competition.

I do see some advantage to aiming for spoiling the crown. So many people just buy the $2 ticket on the horse that's won the first two, just for the souvenir, there's a lot of dead money in the pool. Every other horse basically is getting double odds.

I doubt that affects the purse enough that would make an owner hold a viable horse out of the Derby.

Oh, sure. Agreed. But it might tempt some owner on the fence who already decided to skip the Derby anyway but sees a good field and large payday at Belmont.

The owners are getting paid by the track the same for winning no matter what the horses odds are and the track is getting their 18% (give or take a few % depending on the track)The odds only affect the bettors

I am assuming the owners will bet on their own horse.

Gotcha...maybe some mall time owners but I'm guessing guys like Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum don't care either way

 

[BRONG]

Secretariat had Rangers speed.

My uncle lived in Louisville during the 70s, and we used to go visit him every year. I think he secretly dreaded it, because one of us kids always broke something in his house every time we went. Anyway, one year my parents went with my uncle, aunt, and some others to the Kentucky Derby, and it just happened to be the year that Secretariat ran. My mom said watching that horse run was breathtaking. This is a picture of my dad (who had one too many cocktails) running on the track prior to the race.

That is all-time.