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True Detective: Tom went in to listen to the Cardinals game...in November. Mmmmmhmmmm... (2 Viewers)

rockaction said:
Count me among those who thought that Vaughn or one of his associates took the "rapist" out, and now CF, by his complicity in not turning him in, is indebted either in implicit agreement with Vaughn, by deed, or by blackmail.
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My assumption was that Velcoro "handled" the rapist personally, but I don't think it's impossible that Semyon hired the guy to rape his wife, then sacrificed him so he could land a cop on his payroll.

 
Kind of a weird scene when they were sitting in the bar while that girl droned on singing. How long were they sitting there just staring at each other? At first it didn't even look like they were at the same table.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
rockaction said:
Count me among those who thought that Vaughn or one of his associates took the "rapist" out, and now CF, by his complicity in not turning him in, is indebted either in implicit agreement with Vaughn, by deed, or by blackmail.
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My assumption was that Velcoro "handled" the rapist personally, but I don't think it's impossible that Semyon hired the guy to rape his wife, then sacrificed him so he could land a cop on his payroll.
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:goodposting:

I think the first part was implied and the second part may be a "surprise twist".

 
"Good said:
rockaction said:
Count me among those who thought that Vaughn or one of his associates took the "rapist" out, and now CF, by his complicity in not turning him in, is indebted either in implicit agreement with Vaughn, by deed, or by blackmail.
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My assumption was that Velcoro "handled" the rapist personally, but I don't think it's impossible that Semyon hired the guy to rape his wife, then sacrificed him so he could land a cop on his payroll.
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Yes

95% sure Velcoro killed the rapist. At the bar (flashback) Semyon hands Velcoro a photo AND the address of the rapist. Why hand over the address is the rapist is already dead?

As far as Semyon setting up the rape to hook Velcoro...

I didn't think so at first but it appears that Semyon reached out to Velcoro with the information as opposed to the other way around. Semyon says something like " I wanted to do this".

I'm sure we'll find out down the road.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
"Good said:
rockaction said:
Count me among those who thought that Vaughn or one of his associates took the "rapist" out, and now CF, by his complicity in not turning him in, is indebted either in implicit agreement with Vaughn, by deed, or by blackmail.
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My assumption was that Velcoro "handled" the rapist personally, but I don't think it's impossible that Semyon hired the guy to rape his wife, then sacrificed him so he could land a cop on his payroll.
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Yes

95% sure Velcoro killed the rapist. At the bar (flashback) Semyon hands Velcoro a photo AND the address of the rapist. Why hand over the address is the rapist is already dead?

As far as Semyon setting up the rape to hook Velcoro...

I didn't think so at first but it appears that Semyon reached out to Velcoro with the information as opposed to the other way around. Semyon says something like " I wanted to do this".

I'm sure we'll find out down the road.
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It obviously isn't definitive either way. But there is the moment where Velcoro asks something about how he knew the "description of events" or something, and Semyon says it was "in the air", I think.

Pizzolatto is really masterful at unspooling things slowly.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
rockaction said:
Count me among those who thought that Vaughn or one of his associates took the "rapist" out, and now CF, by his complicity in not turning him in, is indebted either in implicit agreement with Vaughn, by deed, or by blackmail.
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My assumption was that Velcoro "handled" the rapist personally, but I don't think it's impossible that Semyon hired the guy to rape his wife, then sacrificed him so he could land a cop on his payroll.
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Yes

95% sure Velcoro killed the rapist.

what rapist?

 
I agree that the show was better after the second viewing.

Also, there was a very strong pause when VV met the lawyer for the potential financier for the railway project. I feel like there is something there.

And I hated the convenience that the missing hispanic girl happened to be a member of the cult run by RM's father. Too convenient.

 
Going into this I didn't think McAdams could pull off this role. After watching the first episode I was impressed with her effort but still not convinced she can carry it through all of the episodes.

Vince Vaughn on the other hand; I predict everyone will hate him before this is over. He was horrible.

I loved the episode! Made me want ep.2 right away!

 
Vaughn/Farrell scene in the bar

Indeed passes him a photo and address (caught that the first time), but this line confuses me: "I wanted to do it, now it's done."

CF/Velcoro "What do you want from me?"

Vaughn "Me?"

CF "Yeah."

Vaughn "Not a thing. Maybe we'll talk sometime. Maybe not."

The passing of the photo and address leads one to believe Velcoro took the guy out, but the quote, "I wanted to do it, now it's done" is vague and implies Vaughn had him killed. (Or at least did something more than just give Velcoro an address.) Regardless, if this guy is a lit professor, he's probably pretty aware how vague the pronoun "it" is in that circumstance.

 
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rockaction said:
Vaughn/Farrell scene in the bar

Indeed passes him a photo and address (caught that the first time), but this line confuses me: "I wanted to do it, now it's done."

CF/Velcoro "What do you want from me?"

Vaughn "Me?"

CF "Yeah."

Vaughn "Not a thing. Maybe we'll talk sometime. Maybe not."

The passing of the photo and address leads one to believe Velcoro took the guy out, but the quote, "I wanted to do it, now it's done" is vague and implies Vaughn had him killed. (Or at least did something more than just give Velcoro an address.) Regardless, if this guy is a lit professor, he's probably pretty aware how vague the pronoun "it" is in that circumstance.
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Agree it's intentionally vague at this point.

My initial reaction was Vaughn had him killed.

But how to explain the address?

I suppose we shall find out.

 
Jack White said:
rockaction said:
Vaughn/Farrell scene in the bar

Indeed passes him a photo and address (caught that the first time), but this line confuses me: "I wanted to do it, now it's done."

CF/Velcoro "What do you want from me?"

Vaughn "Me?"

CF "Yeah."

Vaughn "Not a thing. Maybe we'll talk sometime. Maybe not."

The passing of the photo and address leads one to believe Velcoro took the guy out, but the quote, "I wanted to do it, now it's done" is vague and implies Vaughn had him killed. (Or at least did something more than just give Velcoro an address.) Regardless, if this guy is a lit professor, he's probably pretty aware how vague the pronoun "it" is in that circumstance.
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Agree it's intentionally vague at this point.

My initial reaction was Vaughn had him killed.

But how to explain the address?

I suppose we shall find out.
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It could be intentionally vague because the actors need to be intentionally vague in their situation, too. We're talking criminal underworld and cop here. Who knows how each person is going to react to anything illegal or even something that violates the code of the underworld?

Either way, I thought it was a standout scene. I'm in.

As for the bolded, it could be a non-confessional confession. He could be passing him the address as a way of being like "check the obits, but if you come for me for murder, I'll simply say I identified him to you and had no knowledge of the murder."

 
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rockaction said:
Jack White said:
rockaction said:
Vaughn/Farrell scene in the bar

Indeed passes him a photo and address (caught that the first time), but this line confuses me: "I wanted to do it, now it's done."

CF/Velcoro "What do you want from me?"

Vaughn "Me?"

CF "Yeah."

Vaughn "Not a thing. Maybe we'll talk sometime. Maybe not."

The passing of the photo and address leads one to believe Velcoro took the guy out, but the quote, "I wanted to do it, now it's done" is vague and implies Vaughn had him killed. (Or at least did something more than just give Velcoro an address.) Regardless, if this guy is a lit professor, he's probably pretty aware how vague the pronoun "it" is in that circumstance.
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Agree it's intentionally vague at this point.

My initial reaction was Vaughn had him killed.

But how to explain the address?

I suppose we shall find out.
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It could be intentionally vague because the actors need to be intentionally vague in their situation, too. We're talking criminal underworld and cop here. Who knows how each person is going to react to anything illegal or even something that violates the code of the underworld?

Either way, I thought it was a standout scene. I'm in.

As for the bolded, it could be a non-confessional confession. He could be passing him the address as a way of being like "check the obits, but if you come for me for murder, I'll simply say I identified him to you and had no knowledge of the murder."
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Had the same thought, that the address could have been provided for verification purposes.

Still leaning toward Vaughn did the deed.

Sepinwall wrote a post about TD possibly suffering from a sophomore slump, but I'm sure I'll be in for eight episodes no matter what.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
I think the "it" was effectively signing the death warrant of the rapist/fellow con. His whole speech about how they're on different sides set that up.
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Yeah, violating the criminal underworld code might indeed require that sort of statement. I had four scenarios about "it," and that was one of them.

 
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