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True Detective: Tom went in to listen to the Cardinals game...in November. Mmmmmhmmmm... (1 Viewer)

The direct reference to Season 1's a little ####### weird imo.
They were shown a couple of episodes back. Doesn’t bother me too much. That was a huge story / political scandal in this world where these kids went missing. I don’t see it as any different than bringing up Columbine every time there’s a school shooting. 

 
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Intense.  Hope we get some closure with only episode left but I think there will still be many questions regarding Hoyt,etc.  I could do with another 2-3 episodes fleshing out this story.

On another note,  makes me sad to see these guys age when they used to be young and so full of life. Not looking forward to getting old   :kicksrock:  

 
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I’m not watching. Too many cigarettes.


Surprised lung cancer hasn't gotten them all in the present day scenes TBH.  
You're both gonna feel really silly when the finale shows how integral smoking was to the show.

Hoyt's whole plan was to get more people to smoke. His dad was Surgeon General Jefferson D. Hoyt in the 1950s when doctors used to prescribe cigarettes to calm people down. The family business isn't just chicken, it's also tobacco. Hoyt is obsessed with avenging the knock on his dad's reputation for coming up with national health slogans like: "A Chesterfield will calm you the #### down, Sally" and "You've come a long way, for a woman". His whole plan wasn't necessarily pedophilia, but getting kids to smoke. Joe Camel was actually a cartoon based on the genitals of the one-eyed black man.
 
Intense.  Hope we get some closure with only episode left but I think there will still be many questions regarding Hoyt,etc.  I could do with another 2-3 episodes fleshing out this story.

On another note,  makes me sad to see these guys age when they used to be young and so full of life. Not looking forward to getting old   :kicksrock:  
Finger

 
My pure guess:  Eliza (the interviewer) is Julie or another kidnapped girl.  She just knows too much.  

 
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My pure guess:  Eliza (the interviewer) is Julie or another kidnapped girl.  She just knows too much.  
That would be goofy to me. Why work this hard trying to solve an unsolved case when you literally know the answer to all the questions. 

 
Interesting theory from the guys on The Ringer: 

Julie actually is a secret princess in the sense that she's the heir to the Hoyt fortune.  Lucy and Hoyt hooked up when Lucy worked for Hoyt foods. She had been hidden in plain sight essentially and something caused them to take her back.
 
That would be goofy to me. Why work this hard trying to solve an unsolved case when you literally know the answer to all the questions. 
It is really goofy which is why I didn't put it into spoilers or anything.  I just can't believe that she'd know this much about the case. 

I guess that could be chalked up to this season being told from the perspective of an unreliable narrator. 

 
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Hope they say what happened to Amelia and Becca.
Theory on Amelia: 

She dies on her way to college in a car accident that is Wayne's fault and Wayne suffer a TBI. 
 
Theory on Amelia: 

She dies on her way to college in a car accident that is Wayne's fault and Wayne suffer a TBI. 
I believe it. I actually mentioned something similar to my wife last night. It would clean and neat to write them off that way with no lead up. 

 
My pure guess:  Eliza (the interviewer) is Julie or another kidnapped girl.  She just knows too much.  
This was a thought I had early on but don't think so anymore.  The interviews do have a feeling of being a bit "off" though.  I think it's just their way to get the show fueled in 2015 and possibly to link Season 1.  

 
Intense.  Hope we get some closure with only episode left but I think there will still be many questions regarding Hoyt,etc.  I could do with another 2-3 episodes fleshing out this story.

On another note,  makes me sad to see these guys age when they used to be young and so full of life. Not looking forward to getting old   :kicksrock:  
limit your smoking and drinking

 
I'm thinking it was accidental maybe? 

Did Hoyt's daughter lose a husband and a daughter? Maybe they had to kill the boy just to eliminate him so it's just Julie to be Hoyt's daughter's fantasy daughter. 
:moneybag: That's good. If it's not how it plays out, it should be.

 
How does 2015 Mays have no recollection of 1990 Mays getting in the car with Hoyt?

I sort of get the the whole memory loss schtick - but its playing out like there was some closure in 1990 - that should have been recalled somewhere along the line.

It certainly appears that Hoyt does not fess up when he has Hays in the car - but, seems like everything lined up.  

 
I’m not completely convinced Roland isn’t some how mixed up in things.  There was a moment in the barn where him and the Hoyt security guy exchanged a look that stuck with me.  

 
How does 2015 Mays have no recollection of 1990 Mays getting in the car with Hoyt?

I sort of get the the whole memory loss schtick - but its playing out like there was some closure in 1990 - that should have been recalled somewhere along the line.

It certainly appears that Hoyt does not fess up when he has Hays in the car - but, seems like everything lined up.  
Dow e know he doesn't remember?  I am with you as last week sure points to a villain and somehow the case never gets solved.   

 
I see that they wanted to use a third timeline to differentiate from season 1 - but does anybody buy a tv show spending so much time on a guy with so limited a memory?

 
How does 2015 Mays have no recollection of 1990 Mays getting in the car with Hoyt?

I sort of get the the whole memory loss schtick - but its playing out like there was some closure in 1990 - that should have been recalled somewhere along the line.

It certainly appears that Hoyt does not fess up when he has Hays in the car - but, seems like everything lined up.  
Dow e know he doesn't remember? 
There's plenty that he remembers that he has not let on to.

 
I’m not completely convinced Roland isn’t some how mixed up in things.  There was a moment in the barn where him and the Hoyt security guy exchanged a look that stuck with me.  
This would surprise me more than if Roland were a figment of Wayne’s imagination (which I don’t think is the case either). 

 
I keep thinking back to the hallucination Wayne had in his study. There are a bunch of Vietnamese soldiers so I’m assuming these are men he killed. 

But there’s one unrecognizable white guy in there. Wayne looks sympathetic to him. I gotta think this scene means something. 

 
I see that they wanted to use a third timeline to differentiate from season 1 - but does anybody buy a tv show spending so much time on a guy with so limited a memory?
It’s called an “unreliable narrator” and it’s not that uncommon of a story-telling technique. 

 
I keep thinking back to the hallucination Wayne had in his study. There are a bunch of Vietnamese soldiers so I’m assuming these are men he killed. 

But there’s one unrecognizable white guy in there. Wayne looks sympathetic to him. I gotta think this scene means something. 
I noticed that too.  I haven’t gone back and checked but just assumed it was the Hoyt security former cop that he and Roland killed.  

 
I noticed that too.  I haven’t gone back and checked but just assumed it was the Hoyt security former cop that he and Roland killed.  
That would make sense but I don’t think it was him. Wayne didn’t actually kill him. 

 
That would make sense but I don’t think it was him. Wayne didn’t actually kill him. 
Sure, but he’s certainly responsible and as a human you still carry that same guilt.  And we know he carried the guilt of goating Roland into taking the dude to the barn as he said as much to Roland.  But like I said I haven’t gone back and looked so you could totally be right too. 

 
I’m not completely convinced Roland isn’t some how mixed up in things.  There was a moment in the barn where him and the Hoyt security guy exchanged a look that stuck with me.  
I just think Roland is prolly a little gay.  Him and Tom really shared  a special bond.  

 

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