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True Detective: Tom went in to listen to the Cardinals game...in November. Mmmmmhmmmm... (2 Viewers)

That bar scene was so dumb.  Good comedy, but just dumb. 

Episode was just ok for me, but I enjoyed the season overall.  

Contemplating Season 2 now. :oldunsure:

 
What did the last scene mean?


I saw it as more of his disease working on him. I enjoyed the finale. I felt like he solved the case and for a brief moment he realized he solved it. I think its very likely that the next day he forgot there was a case.


Possibly symbolizing that there is more "recon" to be done  :shrug: ... the hunt is not over.

Thought it was great.  I wonder if week to week television leads to the disappointment- some of the stuff I read in here was not getting answers to really obscure stuff. Maybe the fact that everything is overanalyzed to such a high degree, that leads to people wanting answers to everything little detail. 
Good season, but I was disappointed with the finale because I felt it was lazy writing to have Junius just give it to us vs them flushing it out.

 
Although I enjoyed the season, I felt a bit letdown by the finale.  Definitely lacked suspense unpacking the mystery.  I was hoping for more payoff from Hoyt.  Also wanted to know what happened to Amelia.  

 
What did the last scene mean?
I felt it meant his memories completely disappear as he fades into the jungle. It's like his last slip from reality towards the inevitable journey into the abyss of dementia. 

He was a tracker that finally found the girl after all these years, but he forgot who she was or why he was there the moment he found her. It was a great ending. 

 
Did he call Julie by name right before the little girl went for the water?  I meant to go back and listen to Ali's mumbling.

After multiple listens, negative on this, but it sure was close ("truly").  

 
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2. I thought the audience deserved to know what happened to Alicia Amelia. Presumably she's dead, but it would have been nice to have a little closure there. Would be easy to do with just a line or two, and I don't really know what purpose was served by not doing it.
The "I'm sorry for your loss" line in the 1st episode wasn't clear enough for you?  Does it really matter how she died?  Old people die :shrug:

 
The "I'm sorry for your loss" line in the 1st episode wasn't clear enough for you?  Does it really matter how she died?  Old people die :shrug:
Well, yeah.  It also matters what her relationship with her husband was in the period between 1990 and her death, whether her death impacted his relationship with his daughter, etc. The story was ultimately about family, including most prominently Wayne's immediate and extended family, so resolution for his most prominent and important family member in the story would have been nice.

Also if we assume she was 30 in 1980, which seems about right (especially considering how youthful and attractive she still was in 1990 :wub: ), that means she died before reaching 65.  That's not young but it's not really "old people die :shrug: " age either.

It's not a huge deal, I still like the finale and think this was the best of the three seasons.  Just saying it would have been nice to have the gap in the narrative filled in there, and it would have been easy to do as well.

 
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Well, yeah.  It also matters what her relationship with her husband was in the period between 1990 and her death, whether her death impacted his relationship with his daughter, etc. The story was ultimately about family, including most prominently Wayne's immediate and extended family, so resolution for his most prominent and important family member in the story would have been nice.

Also if we assume she was 30 in 1980, which seems about right (especially considering how youthful and attractive she still was in 1990 :wub: ), that means she died before reaching 65.  That's not young but it's not really "old people die :shrug: " age either.

It's not a huge deal, I still like the finale and think this was the best of the three seasons.  Just saying it would have been nice to have the gap in the narrative filled in there, and it would have been easy to do as well.


I assumed the 2005 or whatever scene where she was teaching at the University and he was head security guard meant that their relationship was in a good place from 1990 until her death.

 
Well, yeah.  It also matters what her relationship with her husband was in the period between 1990 and her death, whether her death impacted his relationship with his daughter, etc. The story was ultimately about family, including most prominently Wayne's immediate and extended family, so resolution for his most prominent and important family member in the story would have been nice.

Also if we assume she was 30 in 1980, which seems about right (especially considering how youthful and attractive she still was in 1990 :wub: ), that means she died before reaching 65.  That's not young but it's not really "old people die :shrug: " age either.

It's not a huge deal, I still like the finale and think this was the best of the three seasons.  Just saying it would have been nice to have the gap in the narrative filled in there, and it would have been easy to do as well.
Agree.  I kept waiting for her death to become part of the story.   Especially after Hoyt started threatening them.  Almost like they skipped some episodes and simplified the ending.

Would have liked more suspense/surprise in the ending.  Started out pretty good, ending just ok.   

 
I meant to mention weeks ago that there was an odd scene at the convent where they showed the custodial guy in his truck for no apparent reason.  

Finale didn't finish with good suspense - but all stories don't need to either.  But based on expectations, that probably prevented the series from being great.

Still can't get over that they didn't find the one eyed guy earlier.  He was living and working in the same dang town.

 
Kinda convenient how June was even still alive to tell that story. 

I agree about Amelia. They should have addressed that.

 
Good season, but I was disappointed with the finale because I felt it was lazy writing to have Junius just give it to us vs them flushing it out.
Am I thinking of another show or did Season 1 not do something very similar in how they ultimately discovered the Yellow King? As soon as it aired last night I immediately felt like I saw this before, where the detectives finally met the person who just walked them through the whole story and filled in the blanks.

 
I assumed the 2005 or whatever scene where she was teaching at the University and he was head security guard meant that their relationship was in a good place from 1990 until her death.
Yep. 

I thought about that scene a bit today and listened to "Flat Circle" podcast on my commute. I'm liking the ending more now and gotta smile a bit at the middle finger the show basically gave us.  Most of us viewers wanted conspiracy, drama, and a significant reveal/climax.  But, what we got instead was far more realistic -- a relatively simplistic explanation to a story that impacted several lives in a significant way even though the story itself wasn't all that wild. In reality - that's life.  It's far more about the journey and, this season, wound up being about the journey of the main character and the familial relationships he makes instead of the crime drama being told.  

 
Well, yeah.  It also matters what her relationship with her husband was in the period between 1990 and her death, whether her death impacted his relationship with his daughter, etc. The story was ultimately about family, including most prominently Wayne's immediate and extended family, so resolution for his most prominent and important family member in the story would have been nice.

Also if we assume she was 30 in 1980, which seems about right (especially considering how youthful and attractive she still was in 1990 :wub: ), that means she died before reaching 65.  That's not young but it's not really "old people die :shrug: " age either.

It's not a huge deal, I still like the finale and think this was the best of the three seasons.  Just saying it would have been nice to have the gap in the narrative filled in there, and it would have been easy to do as well.
But it was filled in by the scene at the university and the mild reveal at the end that his family all loves him. 

 
I’m very satisfied with the finale. The story kept me intrigued throughout the series, and in the end, we got our answers. The bar fight was out of place, but had some good one liners from Roland. The biggest mystery to me was how he ended up in the parking lot alone with a bottle of Jack from behind the bar with the pour spout still attached.

In the end, the story was about Hays and his life spent on the case... not the case itself.  :thumbup:
They showed a cop car driving off just before the dog showed up.  Could have had something to do with with the favorable outcome for our hero.

 
Thought it was great.  I wonder if week to week television leads to the disappointment- some of the stuff I read in here was not getting answers to really obscure stuff. Maybe the fact that everything is overanalyzed to such a high degree, that leads to people wanting answers to everything little detail. 
I agree.  Thoroughly satisfying ending. I liked this better than Season 1.

 
Yep. 

I thought about that scene a bit today and listened to "Flat Circle" podcast on my commute. I'm liking the ending more now and gotta smile a bit at the middle finger the show basically gave us.  Most of us viewers wanted conspiracy, drama, and a significant reveal/climax.  But, what we got instead was far more realistic -- a relatively simplistic explanation to a story that impacted several lives in a significant way even though the story itself wasn't all that wild. In reality - that's life.  It's far more about the journey and, this season, wound up being about the journey of the main character and the familial relationships he makes instead of the crime drama being told.  
:goodposting:

The suspense was in the unfolding of the story.  Not having a dramatic payoff is ok, and doesn't diminish the suspense imo.  The twist was really that this was a character study with a moral of the centrality of family and honor, which was perfectly complemented by the phenomenal acting.

And in the end the theme was deeper and truer than the purient dramatic thriller we were all expecting. Well executed, and I really appreciated it.  It elevated the story beyond mere entertainment, and that gave it a gravitas that it would not have otherwise had.

Season 1 strived for that a bit but missed the mark for me, which is what made this season superior.  It had all the craft of the first season but with a new depth to the story.

 
I saw it as more of his disease working on him. I enjoyed the finale. I felt like he solved the case and for a brief moment he realized he solved it. I think its very likely that the next day he forgot there was a case.
Maybe. Just seemed like a weird way to end it.That's obviously a huge scene - the final one. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
I read into it that it was the juxtaposition from him choosing the family life then cut to what his life was like, alone in the jungle. Felt like it followed the arc of the show which was really about his progression through life via this case.  But maybe I’m reading too much into it.  Lol.  

 
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I don't mess with the blogs or podcasts or anything, so I might be way off base here.  For me the finale was about him coming to terms with choosing his family over chasing the case.  Nothing gets resolved for him (even though we get clued into how things really went down), but he makes good with the way he lived his life. Glad I watched.

 
I agree.  Thoroughly satisfying ending. I liked this better than Season 1.
I’m not willing to go there, but it was good. The same complaints about this finale were there for season 1 as well, people just forgot.

“What about Marty’s FIL?”

”What about the girls recreating a cult sacrifice with their toys!”

”What about the Spirals at X, Y, and Z locations?!”

Its just been so long that people forgot that this show is just as much about the job consuming the individual as it is the case itself. They spent a good bit of closing time in season 1 showing Marty online dating and eating a hungry man meal, just trying to drive the point home of how messed up his home life had become. 

 
That bar scene was so dumb.  Good comedy, but just dumb. 
I actually thought the bar scene was used relatively effectively.

First it was contrasted with Hays - who had a chance to decompress with Amelia, while West had no-one in  his life.

Then, secondly, we get a better understanding of how West ends up with all the dogs in 2015 - it starts with the mutt coming up to him after the fight.

 
I actually thought the bar scene was used relatively effectively.

First it was contrasted with Hays - who had a chance to decompress with Amelia, while West had no-one in  his life.

Then, secondly, we get a better understanding of how West ends up with all the dogs in 2015 - it starts with the mutt coming up to him after the fight.
I actually think the only reason the scene was goofy was because of the dumb humor. The actual bar fight mirrored Tom earlier in the season, eventually leading to Roland coming there and safely leading him away and eventually towards sobriety. Roland didn’t have anyone to come guide him though though and was alone until the dog showed up, which we know eventually led him to a life somewhat exiled from humans with just his canine friends. 

 
And it was nice to see Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy get another role (Michael Rooker).

Good actor.  I still remember him way back from Mallrats.  He played the mean father.

 
And it was nice to see Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy get another role (Michael Rooker).

Good actor.  I still remember him way back from Mallrats.  He played the mean father.
ooh, I just saw today that they are revisiting the Mall in a new Jay and Silent Bob flick. 

 
I actually thought the bar scene was used relatively effectively.

First it was contrasted with Hays - who had a chance to decompress with Amelia, while West had no-one in  his life.

Then, secondly, we get a better understanding of how West ends up with all the dogs in 2015 - it starts with the mutt coming up to him after the fight.
Yeah, ok...the dog scene was cute but jesus, Dorf is all of 5'6" in platform shoes and we're to believe he took on an entire biker bar and lived to tell about it.  Yeah, okay. 

 
Who am I talking to here - you, or that wooly mammoth standing behind you?
See, I always wondered....all these butt-faced human pieces of garbage out there, walking the earth, whose makin' 'em? I mean what kinda Frankenstein monsters are out there copulating to create all these hunks o' sh## people in the world?  then I come in this bar, and here's you two, giving me the answer I been looking for my whole f'in life   :lmao:

 
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25 years and they didn't find out #### until cyclops mother####er laid out every single detail for them. Some true detectives. 

 
I really liked the ending. There's a couple of things that seem out of place (like nobody interviewing Mr. Junes for 25 years) but I thought the whole resolution was good. I kinda liked the fact that even through the dementia, his natural instincts told him to keep digging and led him to the truth. The fact that he got all the way there only to have a spell at the last minute was sort of oddly satisfying. As someone dealing with a family member with Alzheimers, it hit home for me. 

The whole thing being a tragic accident (then obviously combined with the actual crime of kidnapping) was OK by me.

Overall, I'd give the season an 8 on all the strong acting and liking the way they wrapped it all up.

Season 1 was a 10. For me, its one of the top handful of things ever produced for TV. Just everything about it was a grand slam in my eyes

Season 2 was like a 4, only because they tried a little harder than the morons who produce 95% of what's on TV.

 
eoMMan said:
And it was nice to see Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy get another role (Michael Rooker).

Good actor.  I still remember him way back from Mallrats.  He played the mean father.
Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? 

 

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