Trump supporters only - what was Trump doing? (1 Viewer)

[bostonfred]

I saw an interview with Jake tapper and a Republican congressman today. I don't watch much CNN but It was interesting because the congressman was trying to explain this whole thing in a single coherent timeline where trump was innocently investigating corruption.  I've heard people defend individual accusations, but it seems like most of the time the Democrats control the narrative and Republicans are defending the president's actions.  

I'd be interested in seeing the trump supporters here try to do the same thing.  

I don't mean a simple "he was investigating corruption" and "it's the third most corrupt country on the planet". That's a defense but it's not an explanation.  

Help me understand the big picture.  Before the call to zelensky all the way to the release of the funds.  I'm looking to be convinced here.  It's hard for me because it seems obvious that he was up to no good, but some of you seem to actually believe he didn't do anything wrong and I'd like to understand what you actually think happened.  

 

[bostonfred]

Here's an example of what I mean.  

Trump was investigating corruption in countries where military aid was being sent.  He investigated country A, B and C. This was just one such example.  On that call he was just looking at Biden because that specific allegation had been made to him.  He sent his best lawyer and AG to discuss further. And so on.  All the way up to the release of the funds.  

I don't think I've heard that timeline explained.  I've only heard it from the perspective of what he did wrong.

 

[Gopher State]

I saw an interview with Jake tapper and a Republican congressman today. I don't watch much CNN but It was interesting because the congressman was trying to explain this whole thing in a single coherent timeline where trump was innocently investigating corruption.  I've heard people defend individual accusations, but it seems like most of the time the Democrats control the narrative and Republicans are defending the president's actions.  

I'd be interested in seeing the trump supporters here try to do the same thing.  

I don't mean a simple "he was investigating corruption" and "it's the third most corrupt country on the planet". That's a defense but it's not an explanation.  

Help me understand the big picture.  Before the call to zelensky all the way to the release of the funds.  I'm looking to be convinced here.  It's hard for me because it seems obvious that he was up to no good, but some of you seem to actually believe he didn't do anything wrong and I'd like to understand what you actually think happened.  

Lots of luck their are only about three Trump supporters in this forum.  We’re all liberal tree huggers here.

 

[pinkham13]

Boston Fred much respect to you for all your wonderful football posts over the years. I find your challenge Hilarious. I’ll play. I didn’t vote for him last time but I am seriously considering it. Especially after his U.N. speech. These people are from the devil.

Please explain why is all the publishing for the U.N. done by the Lucis trust? Alice Bailey founded the company formerly known as Lucifer publishing in the early 1900s. These con-men and deceivers want their climate change communist control of every breath and step you take.

https://www.lucistrust.org/books/the_beacon_magazine/reprinted_from_the_beacon

Please explain why Comey flip flopped and said he was wrong about the 17 mistakes outlined by the IG FISA ordeal??? 17 mistakes really??? You think your heroes from the left aren’t guilty of spying and leaking BS to the media? 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/

Why did the Russian collusion delusion flop? Because it was a coup that fell apart. They never thought he’d win. 
 

https://galaxynewsexpress.com/blog/the-coup-against-trump-the-depth-of-obama-and-brennans-involvement-in-the-collusion-hoax-revealed-amp/

Explain Why isn’t Biden on trial? He was on camera saying he would not give them the billion dollars unless they dropped the case against corrupt Burisma who employed his crackhead son who was kicked out of the navy. If you haven’t seen the video it’s right here. 
https://powderedwigsociety.com/scumball-biden/

Do you folks not look any further than CNN? Because if you look for the truth you can find it but you won’t find it there.
 

 

[pfalvey]

Why was Trump a Democrat before he was a Republican? 
 

I am in agreement into what you wrote.....but am curious as to why trump was a Democrat before Republican. I agree he was just haven't heard the why.

 

[pinkham13]

I am in agreement into what you wrote.....but am curious as to why trump was a Democrat before Republican. I agree he was just haven't heard the why.

I know right? It’s like he was selected for a role in a live tv show. So Truman (the movie).

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think it's okay to have a thread for Trump supporters only. The rest of you please just lurk. Thanks.

 

[dkp993]

I am in agreement into what you wrote.....but am curious as to why trump was a Democrat before Republican. I agree he was just haven't heard the why.

I know right? It’s like he was selected for a role in a live tv show. So Truman (the movie).

Or it could be far less dramatic and it’s simply because he’s an opportunist and goes where the tide takes him.  Just like during the run up to the GOP nomination where he said he’d run as an independent if the GOP didn’t nominate him.   But I’m not sure how any of this ties back to the OP’s question, which I’m fascinated to hear from the pro-T crowd on.  

 

[pinkham13]

Or it could be far less dramatic and it’s simply because he’s an opportunist and goes where the tide takes him.  Just like during the run up to the GOP nomination where he said he’d run as an independent if the GOP didn’t nominate him.   But I’m not sure how any of this ties back to the OP’s question, which I’m fascinated to hear from the pro-T crowd on.  

I responded with four links. But yes opportunistic I agree. The witch hunt will continue to be a loser for the left. Didn’t one already defect today?

 

[pinkham13]

I think it's okay to have a thread for Trump supporters only. The rest of you please just lurk. Thanks.

Well this thread will completely die if it’s T supporters only. I certainly wouldn’t mind considerate feedback on the links I posted supporting the President of the United States.

 

[Snorkelson]

Boston Fred much respect to you for all your wonderful football posts over the years. I find your challenge Hilarious. I’ll play. I didn’t vote for him last time but I am seriously considering it. Especially after his U.N. speech. These people are from the devil.

Please explain why is all the publishing for the U.N. done by the Lucis trust? Alice Bailey founded the company formerly known as Lucifer publishing in the early 1900s. These con-men and deceivers want their climate change communist control of every breath and step you take.

https://www.lucistrust.org/books/the_beacon_magazine/reprinted_from_the_beacon

Please explain why Comey flip flopped and said he was wrong about the 17 mistakes outlined by the IG FISA ordeal??? 17 mistakes really??? You think your heroes from the left aren’t guilty of spying and leaking BS to the media? 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/

Why did the Russian collusion delusion flop? Because it was a coup that fell apart. They never thought he’d win. 
 

https://galaxynewsexpress.com/blog/the-coup-against-trump-the-depth-of-obama-and-brennans-involvement-in-the-collusion-hoax-revealed-amp/

Explain Why isn’t Biden on trial? He was on camera saying he would not give them the billion dollars unless they dropped the case against corrupt Burisma who employed his crackhead son who was kicked out of the navy. If you haven’t seen the video it’s right here. 
https://powderedwigsociety.com/scumball-biden/

Do you folks not look any further than CNN? Because if you look for the truth you can find it but you won’t find it there.
 

Galaxy News Express is an informative blog that brings you political events and analysis of world politics.

I don’t understand why you keep posting weird links to lucistrust, I’m obviously missing the point, so can you explain? I don’t know what that’s supposed to be showing me. 

Just going out in a limb, but I don’t think I’m finding the truth here either. Two of your links don’t even provide authors names. Don’t you wonder who your listening to?
 

I guess maybe I should find “powdered wig society” on the media bias chart....hmm funny they don’t seem to be listed.

 

[bostonfred]

Boston Fred much respect to you for all your wonderful football posts over the years. I find your challenge Hilarious. I’ll play. I didn’t vote for him last time but I am seriously considering it. Especially after his U.N. speech. These people are from the devil.

Please explain why is all the publishing for the U.N. done by the Lucis trust? Alice Bailey founded the company formerly known as Lucifer publishing in the early 1900s. These con-men and deceivers want their climate change communist control of every breath and step you take.

https://www.lucistrust.org/books/the_beacon_magazine/reprinted_from_the_beacon

Please explain why Comey flip flopped and said he was wrong about the 17 mistakes outlined by the IG FISA ordeal??? 17 mistakes really??? You think your heroes from the left aren’t guilty of spying and leaking BS to the media? 

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/

Why did the Russian collusion delusion flop? Because it was a coup that fell apart. They never thought he’d win. 
 

https://galaxynewsexpress.com/blog/the-coup-against-trump-the-depth-of-obama-and-brennans-involvement-in-the-collusion-hoax-revealed-amp/

Explain Why isn’t Biden on trial? He was on camera saying he would not give them the billion dollars unless they dropped the case against corrupt Burisma who employed his crackhead son who was kicked out of the navy. If you haven’t seen the video it’s right here. 
https://powderedwigsociety.com/scumball-biden/

Do you folks not look any further than CNN? Because if you look for the truth you can find it but you won’t find it there.
 

Thanks for taking the time to respond and for the kind words. I am not looking for truth on CNN.  I am looking for truth from you or anyone who thinks Trump did nothing wrong.  

What i asked for is a clear timeline showing trump doing things that aren't illegal.  What you gave was a list of unrelated topics.  Climate change, comey, collusion and Biden. 

These are all totally valid topics for another thread, but i started this thread to ask a simple question - if trump was innocently investigating corruption in Ukraine, what did that actual process look like?  When did it start, and when did it end, and what was he investigating specifically?   

 

[Godsbrother]

Explain Why isn’t Biden on trial? He was on camera saying he would not give them the billion dollars unless they dropped the case against corrupt Burisma who employed his crackhead son who was kicked out of the navy. If you haven’t seen the video it’s right here. 
https://powderedwigsociety.com/scumball-biden/

You answered bostonfred's question with a string of unrelated things so I assume you don't really believe that Trump was legitimately concerned about corruption and was really just trying to get dirt on Biden for the upcoming election.

But I will address your final item.  If the US government believes that Biden is guilty of something then the Justice Department should launch a legitimate investigation into the matter instead of the president's personal attorney (who is himself is being investigated for shady financial dealings involving Ukrainian criminals) conducting a clandestine initiative.  Further if a legitimate DoJ investigation finds Biden broke the law or abused his power then put him on trial, make all that are subpoenaed testify and lock him up if he's found guilty.

Biden is not above the law and I am in favor of full transparency and holding him accountable for his actions.   It is too bad the GOP and presidents supporters don't feel the same way about Trump.  Can you explain that?

 

[pecorino]

I think it's okay to have a thread for Trump supporters only. The rest of you please just lurk. Thanks.

I consider myself a libertarian if anything and I’m absolutely not a Trump supporter. But I’m not going to just lurk if I’m told to just lurk. I’ll post if I want to; punish me if you must. I have nothing to add to the OP right now but I take umbrage with being asked to just lurk. 

 

[bostonfred]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/16/mike-johnson-trump-defense-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

Here's the interview i was talking about by the way.  FWIW I don't like the CNN headline for this article and I think this is clearly biased on their part.  This thread isn't about anything Tapper said at all.  

I started this thread because I thought Mike Johnson did a good job explaining his version of events. I would like to explore it further.  I am genuinely interested in discussing what people who think Trump shouldn't be impeached think he did.  

 

[Don't Noonan]

  

 

[HellToupee]

I think it's okay to have a thread for Trump supporters only. The rest of you please just lurk. Thanks.

this thread sure as hell isn’t it

 

[Apple Jack]

  

Use your words.

 

[Godsbrother]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/16/mike-johnson-trump-defense-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

Here's the interview i was talking about by the way.  FWIW I don't like the CNN headline for this article and I think this is clearly biased on their part.  This thread isn't about anything Tapper said at all.  

I started this thread because I thought Mike Johnson did a good job explaining his version of events. I would like to explore it further.  I am genuinely interested in discussing what people who think Trump shouldn't be impeached think he did.  

Good luck with that

 

[pinkham13]

Thanks for taking the time to respond and for the kind words. I am not looking for truth on CNN.  I am looking for truth from you or anyone who thinks Trump did nothing wrong.  

What i asked for is a clear timeline showing trump doing things that aren't illegal.  What you gave was a list of unrelated topics.  Climate change, comey, collusion and Biden. 

These are all totally valid topics for another thread, but i started this thread to ask a simple question - if trump was innocently investigating corruption in Ukraine, what did that actual process look like?  When did it start, and when did it end, and what was he investigating specifically?   

Rudy G uncovered Obama and Bidens Ukraine money laundering scheme. You need to understand the general context of why he is being falsely impeached on hearsay. They are covering their collective behinds.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-16-democrats-rushing-impeachment-to-obstruct-investigations-of-billions-in-money-laundering.html

Check out Rudy making the case on TV.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rudy-giuliani-yovanovitch-was-part-cover-she-had-be-ousted

Drain the swamp send these crooks stealing taxpayer money to prison!

 

[Apple Jack]

Rudy G uncovered Obama and Bidens Ukraine money laundering scheme. You need to understand the general context of why he is being falsely impeached on hearsay. They are covering their collective behinds.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-16-democrats-rushing-impeachment-to-obstruct-investigations-of-billions-in-money-laundering.html

Check out Rudy making the case on TV.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rudy-giuliani-yovanovitch-was-part-cover-she-had-be-ousted

Drain the swamp send these crooks stealing taxpayer money to prison!

How many of Trump's closest, hand-picked campaign staff and advisors are in prison now?

 

[pinkham13]

How many of Trump's closest, hand-picked campaign staff and advisors are in prison now?

How many mistakes were on the FISA?

 

[Apple Jack]

How many mistakes were on the FISA?

I don't know, it sounds like a few. What does that have to do with my question?

And let's not forget that Comey played no small part in Trump's victory with the Hillary announcement.

 

[bostonfred]

this thread sure as hell isn’t it

Don't worry about what other people are posting. I'm here to talk to you not them. 

  

I was really looking forward to your input in particular.  You seem confident that he did nothing wrong and I'm trying to understand that viewpoint.  I don't want to live in an echo chamber.  

 

[Godsbrother]

Rudy G uncovered Obama and Bidens Ukraine money laundering scheme. You need to understand the general context of why he is being falsely impeached on hearsay. They are covering their collective behinds.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-16-democrats-rushing-impeachment-to-obstruct-investigations-of-billions-in-money-laundering.html

Check out Rudy making the case on TV.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rudy-giuliani-yovanovitch-was-part-cover-she-had-be-ousted

Drain the swamp send these crooks stealing taxpayer money to prison!

If he's being falsely impeached on hearsay why doesn't he testify under oath and why is he blocking others with firsthand knowledge from testifying?   It doesn't pass the smell test.

Also I am all for draining the swamp if a proper investigation done by the US Department of Justice reveals wrongdoing.  Oh wait, I forgot the US state department and everyone else that testified  is part of the "deep state" and instead I am supposed to take the word of Rudy.    

 

[bostonfred]

Rudy G uncovered Obama and Bidens Ukraine money laundering scheme. You need to understand the general context of why he is being falsely impeached on hearsay. They are covering their collective behinds.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-16-democrats-rushing-impeachment-to-obstruct-investigations-of-billions-in-money-laundering.html

Check out Rudy making the case on TV.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rudy-giuliani-yovanovitch-was-part-cover-she-had-be-ousted

Drain the swamp send these crooks stealing taxpayer money to prison!

Thanks.  

Looking at this i see that Giuliani has evidence of a number of illegal activities by Democrats and possibly even some Republican senators. 

If that's the case,

1) Why didn't trump bring up any of these other people on the call to zelensky? 

2) Why did he call on Ukraine and China to investigate the bidens on the white house law, but not any of these other allegations? 

3) Why did he later release the aid if he had evidence of all this other corruption? 

4) Why didn't he want a quid pro quo tying aid to these legitimate investigations?  Why repeat "i want nothing" and "no quid pro quo"?

Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

 

[Van Dyman]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

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Spoiler

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I'm just going to say credit to Pinkham for showing up.​

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[pinkham13]

Thanks.  

Looking at this i see that Giuliani has evidence of a number of illegal activities by Democrats and possibly even some Republican senators. 

If that's the case,

1) Why didn't trump bring up any of these other people on the call to zelensky? 

2) Why did he call on Ukraine and China to investigate the bidens on the white house law, but not any of these other allegations? 

3) Why did he later release the aid if he had evidence of all this other corruption? 

4) Why didn't he want a quid pro quo tying aid to these legitimate investigations?  Why repeat "i want nothing" and "no quid pro quo"?

Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

1. If you read the transcript you can see that the call was perfectly fine. If the President of the United States can’t root out corruption who can? Thank for recognizing that Rudy has found illegal activities. I am not privy to every conversation the President had how do we know what was said on other calls or meetings?

2. Why does it matter? The Bidens look guilty as sin. All you have to do is listen to Biden himself on camera.

3. I guess he could have stopped the aid but who knows.

4. Not sure why he didn’t want a quid pro quo but looks like Biden sure got one.

 

[bostonfred]

1. If you read the transcript you can see that the call was perfectly fine. If the President of the United States can’t root out corruption who can? Thank for recognizing that Rudy has found illegal activities. I am not privy to every conversation the President had how do we know what was said on other calls or meetings?

2. Why does it matter? The Bidens look guilty as sin. All you have to do is listen to Biden himself on camera.

3. I guess he could have stopped the aid but who knows.

4. Not sure why he didn’t want a quid pro quo but looks like Biden sure got one.

1. I think you actually are privy to every conversation trump had with zelensky.  Trump talked to him twice, and didn't mention corruption at all. On the white house lawn he asked Ukraine and China to investigate the bidens, not any other corruption.  

1a. Are you suggesting that he didn't know about any other corruption except the bidens?  When did the other corruption come to light?   

1b. After that perfect call, people whose job it was to listen raised concerns and the record of the call was moved to a secure server instead of where it's normally located. 

2. It matters because Biden is a political rival.  Are you suggesting that the president knew of two corrupt acts in Ukraine but only investigated the one involving his political rival?   Or that he only knew about the corruption involving his political rival?  

2a. Why would it be important to Trump to have a press conference on CNN about the investigation? 

3. You're arguing that Trump was investigating corruption.  Sure.  And that he held up the aid to make sure that the corrupt Ukraine didn't release money to Biden. Ok.  But you're also saying that Biden was doing illegal things in Ukraine.  Trump released the aid immediately after the whistleblower report was announced. Is that why he released the aid?   Because he was afraid he got caught doing something wrong?  If not, what changed that triggered the release of the aid?

4. I understand that you think Biden is guilty of some bad things, and that it was ok for the president to investigate them.  My question is, if that's true, then why did trump have to say anything about i want nothing and no quid pro quo?  

You have all the same information i do, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on pretty much anything.  I just want a complete timeline that makes sense to you so i can try to see what you're seeing. 

 

[bostonfred]

That goes for any of you. 

Can someone lay out a case where

1) trump found out about corruption,

2) Trump chose which corruption to discuss with zelensky,

3) trump held up aid,

4) trump held the phone call in July,

5) white house council moved the call record on a secure server,

6) trump asked for a public announcement of the investigation into Biden,

7) then immediately after the whistleblower report was announced, released the aid and said no quid pro quo,

but at ther same time trump also stood on the white house lawn and asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. 

If some of that timeline is inaccurate or incomplete, or if I'm missing something important, that's fine - help me fill it in.  I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just looking for a complete timeline that explains the behavior.  

 

[Apple Jack]

1. If you read the transcript you can see that the call was perfectly fine. If the President of the United States can’t root out corruption who can? Thank for recognizing that Rudy has found illegal activities. I am not privy to every conversation the President had how do we know what was said on other calls or meetings?

2. Why does it matter? The Bidens look guilty as sin. All you have to do is listen to Biden himself on camera.

3. I guess he could have stopped the aid but who knows.

4. Not sure why he didn’t want a quid pro quo but looks like Biden sure got one.

Usually, he has to hire them first.

 

[Dickies]

You have all the same information i do, and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on pretty much anything.  I just want a complete timeline that makes sense to you so i can try to see what you're seeing. 

This is the problem.  The Trump admin has not released an exculpatory timeline.  I give @pinkham13 credit for trying, but he's not doing what you asked in the OP.  

 

[Dickies]

That goes for any of you. 

Can someone lay out a case where

1) trump found out about corruption,

2) Trump chose which corruption to discuss with zelensky,

3) trump held up aid,

4) trump held the phone call in July,

5) white house council moved the call record on a secure server,

6) trump asked for a public announcement of the investigation into Biden,

7) then immediately after the whistleblower report was announced, released the aid and said no quid pro quo,

but at ther same time trump also stood on the white house lawn and asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. 

If some of that timeline is inaccurate or incomplete, or if I'm missing something important, that's fine - help me fill it in.  I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just looking for a complete timeline that explains the behavior.  

Moleculo's thread is much more comprehensive.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/782299-ukraine-aid-and-whistleblower-timeline/

 

[bostonfred]

A couple other Trump supporters have dropped a few turds in this thread, but they aren't going to engage in good faith either.  

Please don't assume that.  I've asked for this thread to be for trump supporters only, but people who aren't trump supporters keep posting about how they won't engage. That's not good faith either.  

Be the change you want to see.  Give people a chance to engage instead of preemptively complaining that they won't.  

 

[pinkham13]

Please don't assume that.  I've asked for this thread to be for trump supporters only, but people who aren't trump supporters keep posting about how they won't engage. That's not good faith either.  

Be the change you want to see.  Give people a chance to engage instead of preemptively complaining that they won't.  

Word up Boston. I love seeing some of what I consider original football guys still posting. Many like MOP are missed.

I really don’t know Trumps timeline or why he does what he does. I don’t think he is the true change agent his voters think he is but I really enjoyed his U.N. speech where he opposed their agenda.

If he really is a change agent I worry for his safety. Draining the swamp is dangerous. 
 

Eric Ciarmella the alleged whistblower is not a reliable witness. That’s why they won’t let him testify. They know this whole thing is a farce just like the debunked Russia Russia Russia rant.

 Now we are in the middle of a trade war with communist China. The Bidens have been their lackey. They also likely laundered money for Burisma. Instead of helping Trump fight for a great deal in our favor with the Chinese they fight against our interests.

Why the move to impeach based on hearsay? They are covering up their misdeeds that’s why. Let the voters decide.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/latvia-was-investigating-suspicious-payments-to-hunter-biden-burisma-in-potential-laundering-scheme-report

Bidens need to be on trial not Trump

 

[Stealthycat]

Trump wanted Ukraine to look into Biden's deals ..... why? Well a sitting VP was doing shenanigans maybe? Using position of power to get favors? Trump asked for that to be looked into 

Right ?

 

[bostonfred]

I really don’t know Trumps timeline or why he does what he does. 

If you don't have a clear picture of his timeline, that's probably because he didn't testify, and refused to allow other witnesses to testify or provide documents in defiance of congressional subpoenas. 

He's being impeached and for whatever reason he felt his best defense was to not allow people close to him to testify or provide documents. Every fact witness so far said trump did illegal things.  And trump didn't allow the people who could prove he didn't do anything wrong to testify. Think about that for a minute.  

 

[pinkham13]

Your mailbox is full.  I deleted that part to keep the thread more in line with your request.  Will hide this if you want to delete your post.

That goes for any of you. 

Can someone lay out a case where

1) trump found out about corruption,

2) Trump chose which corruption to discuss with zelensky,

3) trump held up aid,

4) trump held the phone call in July,

5) white house council moved the call record on a secure server,

6) trump asked for a public announcement of the investigation into Biden,

7) then immediately after the whistleblower report was announced, released the aid and said no quid pro quo,

but at ther same time trump also stood on the white house lawn and asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. 

If some of that timeline is inaccurate or incomplete, or if I'm missing something important, that's fine - help me fill it in.  I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just looking for a complete timeline that explains the behavior.  

Why did a Democrat become a republican in the middle of a sham impeachment

https://tangle.substack.com/p/a-democrat-jumps-ship-to-republican

Trump wanted Ukraine to look into Biden's deals ..... why? Well a sitting VP was doing shenanigans maybe? Using position of power to get favors? Trump asked for that to be looked into 

Right ?

 

[pinkham13]

If you don't have a clear picture of his timeline, that's probably because he didn't testify, and refused to allow other witnesses to testify or provide documents in defiance of congressional subpoenas. 

He's being impeached and for whatever reason he felt his best defense was to not allow people close to him to testify or provide documents. Every fact witness so far said trump did illegal things.  And trump didn't allow the people who could prove he didn't do anything wrong to testify. Think about that for a minute.  

They violated house rules and would t let Trump have representation or call his own witnesses.

https://tangle.substack.com/p/a-democrat-jumps-ship-to-republican

 

[bostonfred]

Trump wanted Ukraine to look into Biden's deals ..... why? Well a sitting VP was doing shenanigans maybe? Using position of power to get favors? Trump asked for that to be looked into 

Right ?

Sure, that's a good start.  So we assume that trump found this out when Biden was the sitting vice president, 3 years ago?  Or do you mean that trump recently found out that Biden had done something years ago and decided to hold up aid until that was investigated?   And what was the outcome of the investigation? 

 

[pinkham13]

Sure, that's a good start.  So we assume that trump found this out when Biden was the sitting vice president, 3 years ago?  Or do you mean that trump recently found out that Biden had done something years ago and decided to hold up aid until that was investigated?   And what was the outcome of the investigation? 

Latvia just widened the probe today and started a criminal investigation into it. Maybe trump was busy dealing with the fake Russian collusion delusion

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ukraine-widens-criminal-investigation-into-biden-connected-burisma-report-says

 

[bostonfred]

Latvia just started a criminal investigation into it. Maybe trump was busy dealing with the fake Russian collusion delusion

Ok. We're getting somewhere. 

2017 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2018 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2019 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is no longer busy with the Russian collusion delusion and decides that this is a good time to investigate a former sitting vice president corruptly abusing power to get favors.  

I like it.  Let's keep this going.  This is your story.  Tell it.  

 

[pinkham13]

Ok. We're getting somewhere. 

2017 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2018 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2019 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is no longer busy with the Russian collusion delusion and decides that this is a good time to investigate a former sitting vice president corruptly abusing power to get favors.  

I like it.  Let's keep this going.  This is your story.  Tell it.  

Uh you wrote that Fred so that’s your story. Why did a Democrat become a republican today in the middle of the partisan impeachment scam?

https://tangle.substack.com/p/a-democrat-jumps-ship-to-republican

 

[BladeRunner]

Ok. We're getting somewhere. 

2017 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2018 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does not hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is busy with the Russian collusion delusion. 

2019 - Congress approves aid to Ukraine, trump does hold up aid to investigate Biden because he is no longer busy with the Russian collusion delusion and decides that this is a good time to investigate a former sitting vice president corruptly abusing power to get favors.  

I like it.  Let's keep this going.  This is your story.  Tell it.  

Did Trump actually say "look into Biden", or was it more "look into the corruption you said you were going to look into"?  The evidence that I heard said that Trump specifically said "no quid-pro quo" and that the Democrats are implying that Trump meant Biden, not that he actually said to look into Biden directly.  I could be wrong.

 

[Dickies]

Did Trump actually say "look into Biden", or was it more "look into the corruption you said you were going to look into"?  The evidence that I heard said that Trump specifically said "no quid-pro quo" and that the Democrats are implying that Trump meant Biden, not that he actually said to look into Biden directly.  I could be wrong.

This was after the WB report was filed and he realized he got caught.

 

[bostonfred]

Uh you wrote that Fred so that’s your story. Why did a Democrat become a republican today in the middle of the partisan impeachment scam?

https://tangle.substack.com/p/a-democrat-jumps-ship-to-republican

I am trying to get you and other trump supporters to write it. I started this thread to discuss what trump's supporters in the impeachment process believe trump did and why.  We've got a clear picture of key events and you've had an opportunity to hear them and have made up your mind that he's not guilty. 

You said he "was busy with the fake Russian collusion delusion". 

@Stealthycatsaid that trump was investigating a sitting vice president who had abused his power.  

So we've got a couple events in the timeline already. Biden does something wrong, trump wants to investigate, the fake Russian collusion delusion gets in the way, trump decides to investigate the Biden corruption.  

If you aren't interested in participating please don't feel obligated to reply in this thread.  I'd be happy to discuss off topic items like a Democrat congressman changing parties in another thread, but I'd like to keep this thread focused on the topic i started it for.

 

[BladeRunner]

This was after the WB report was filed and he realized he got caught.

So, more assumptions? Or did Trump tell YOU or anyone else directly that he said that only because "he got caught"?  I'm not sure you can prove that one way or the other.

 

[pinkham13]

I am trying to get you and other trump supporters to write it. I started this thread to discuss what trump's supporters in the impeachment process believe trump did and why.  We've got a clear picture of key events and you've had an opportunity to hear them and have made up your mind that he's not guilty. 

You said he "was busy with the fake Russian collusion delusion". 

@Stealthycatsaid that trump was investigating a sitting vice president who had abused his power.  

So we've got a couple events in the timeline already. Biden does something wrong, trump wants to investigate, the fake Russian collusion delusion gets in the way, trump decides to investigate the Biden corruption.  

If you aren't interested in participating please don't feel obligated to reply in this thread.  I'd be happy to discuss off topic items like a Democrat congressman changing parties in another thread, but I'd like to keep this thread focused on the topic i started it for.

Sounds like the impeachment process in general. 

The democrat jumping ship in the middle of a baseless partisan impeachment that refused the presidents due process rights is certainly relevant and Germaine and it happened today. Pretty relevant to any timeline discussion as it’s new information.

Obviously a Senator has more information than we do. If a Republican flipped over it would be the centerpiece of your timeline and story. I like it.

https://tangle.substack.com/p/a-democrat-jumps-ship-to-republican

 

[bostonfred]

Did Trump actually say "look into Biden", or was it more "look into the corruption you said you were going to look into"?  The evidence that I heard said that Trump specifically said "no quid-pro quo" and that the Democrats are implying that Trump meant Biden, not that he actually said to look into Biden directly.  I could be wrong.

Good question. 

Trump actually used the word Biden repeatedly in the July 25th call with president zelensky. He released the transcript and described it as a perfect call. 

He did not say the word corruption once in that call or in the subsequent call with zelensky.  

He also stood on the white house lawn and asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden. Specifically Biden.  

I can provide links to the transcript of the call and the video of him asking Ukraine and China to investigate Biden on national television if you'd like.