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Two 12 yr old girls try to murder their friend in honor of Slenderman (1 Viewer)

Somebody should dress up as Slenderman and then meander over to the middle school where those girls went to school. That would be an easy way to get on the news without physically harming someone.

 
shadyridr said:
Was pretty shocked to see Slenderman costumes in Party City. Would anyone have heard of Slenderman if it wasnt for this case?
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My kids had played it last year or the year before. Thankfully they didn't murder anyone. The game is stupid - I only pissed myself the first time they had me play it. After that I knew what I was up against.

 
We had a trick or treater (boy) who dressed up as slender man. I would guess his age was 11 or 12. His costume was actually pretty badass.

 
I think Morgan should be institutionalized.

I also hope that a lightning storm doesn't knock out the power to her facility on or near Halloween.

 
Geez that was a disturbing documentary. I really wish they would have spent more time on the victim. 

It is a terrible premeditated crime but I am not sure I agree with them being tried as adults. They both need treatment 

 
Courtjester said:
Geez that was a disturbing documentary. I really wish they would have spent more time on the victim. 

It is a terrible premeditated crime but I am not sure I agree with them being tried as adults. They both need treatment 
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I read the victims family wanted no part of the documentary. I wanna watch it but not sure I can handle the subject matter at this time. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Yeah - no 12-yo should be tried as an adult.  That is why we distinguish juveniles from adults.
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Can we then hold the parents accountable? I think they should be tried as adults.

The doc has been on today. I don't buy the schizophrenia diagnosis. It's a cop out to get a lesser charge, imo. She (or they) were outcasts at school and spent waaaaaay too much time online believing BS scary stories. Add to the fact that the crime was planned for several months.....sorry, but #### those kids. 

So sad.

 
eoMMan said:
Can we then hold the parents accountable? I think they should be tried as adults.

The doc has been on today. I don't buy the schizophrenia diagnosis. It's a cop out to get a lesser charge, imo. She (or they) were outcasts at school and spent waaaaaay too much time online believing BS scary stories. Add to the fact that the crime was planned for several months.....sorry, but #### those kids. 

So sad.
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:shrug:   kids are kids - they do not have fully formed brains/morality/decision-making/maturity - whatever you want to call it.

Does that mean they don't have consequences for their actions?  Of course not.  But, those consequences should be vastly different than for an adult.  It does not matter the crime.

 
One of the kids, Morgan Geyser, is being sentenced today.  They are in a recess, but this morning the girls social worker at the Winnebago Mental Health Institute where she is currently held in minimum security essentially testified that the girl did not belong there.   Unfortunately, there is a children's section of the Institute, but Morgan is not eligible to be housed there.  This seems like a loophole that should be fixed - even if you insist on trying a teen as an adult, the mental treatment facilities should be geared towards children, and their issues.  She currently gets 3.5 hours a week of education in the Adult ward.

I think the other girl was sentenced to 25 year in a mental health facility, minimum of 3 years to be served, the rest under state supervision. On December 21, 2017, Anissa Weier was sentenced to up to 25 years in a state mental institution. She will have to serve a minimum of three more years at a state hospital, and then remain under state supervision for the rest of the sentence.

Both were 12 at the time of the crime, 15 today.

 
Sinn Fein said:
One of the kids, Morgan Geyser, is being sentenced today.  They are in a recess, but this morning the girls social worker at the Winnebago Mental Health Institute where she is currently held in minimum security essentially testified that the girl did not belong there.   Unfortunately, there is a children's section of the Institute, but Morgan is not eligible to be housed there.  This seems like a loophole that should be fixed - even if you insist on trying a teen as an adult, the mental treatment facilities should be geared towards children, and their issues.  She currently gets 3.5 hours a week of education in the Adult ward.

I think the other girl was sentenced to 25 year in a mental health facility, minimum of 3 years to be served, the rest under state supervision. On December 21, 2017, Anissa Weier was sentenced to up to 25 years in a state mental institution. She will have to serve a minimum of three more years at a state hospital, and then remain under state supervision for the rest of the sentence.

Both were 12 at the time of the crime, 15 today.
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40 years commitment/treatment/ monitoring. 

 
They should never see the light of day. If this was your child they tried to kill, i don't think anyone would be saying "oh, counsel them & then let them be free. Their brains haven't developed yet". You do something like that you're a lunatic regardless of age. Do you want them living next to you? I think not.

 
You know, this was an open and shut case of attempted murder, and both girls pray to slenderman and don't do any time.  So if you pray to slenderman you get what you want.

All hail slenderman!

 
irish eyes said:
They should never see the light of day. If this was your child they tried to kill, i don't think anyone would be saying "oh, counsel them & then let them be free. Their brains haven't developed yet". You do something like that you're a lunatic regardless of age. Do you want them living next to you? I think not.
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Actually I would think that. I wouldn't be fighting for a short sentence or anything, but I'd be more interested in them getting appropriate treatment as opposed to just letting them rot. Our approach to incarceration in this country often results in people being more dysfunctional & dangerous when they're released than when they went in. 

 
McGarnicle said:
Good point. But such a complex case maybe warrants some deeper thought imo. Maybe he was late for an important conference call.
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I'm sure he was being scrubbed in for a brain surgery or something.  He's usually so nuanced.  Must have been in a hurry.  

 
McGarnicle said:
Actually I would think that. I wouldn't be fighting for a short sentence or anything, but I'd be more interested in them getting appropriate treatment as opposed to just letting them rot. Our approach to incarceration in this country often results in people being more dysfunctional & dangerous when they're released than when they went in. 
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That's what you get when it's run for profit.  

 
whoknew said:
I couldn't find anything - is she eligible to be released before that at any time?
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Not an expert, but my impression is she'll almost certainly be released long before 40 years.  The treatment/monitoring will likely continue for 40 years, but the length of her confinement in a state mental health facility is subject to periodic review.  Her lawyer said he expects to petition for release or change in her circumstances in 6 months.

Also, for what its worth, Waukesha County in Wisconsin is a reliably conservative county politically. One might say it is the home base of the current group of Wisconsin conservatives - Walker, Ryan, Priebus, etc.  I've had no problem or difficulty of any kind with the judges out there, and honestly have nothing bad to say about any of them, including Bohren, but there's no question they are elected based on being hard conservatives (there are exceptions to the rule).  Judges in Waukesha, as well as local prosecutors, know they have to be "tough on crime" especially in high-profile cases. Its no surprise to me that these kids were tried as adults and put in adult facilities in this case. I was somewhat surprised a Waukesha county jury made a mental health finding in this case, but again, I've not been following it closely.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Not an expert, but my impression is she'll almost certainly be released long before 40 years.  The treatment/monitoring will likely continue for 40 years, but the length of her confinement in a state mental health facility is subject to periodic review.  Her lawyer said he expects to petition for release or change in her circumstances in 6 months.

Also, for what its worth, Waukesha County in Wisconsin is a reliably conservative county politically. One might say it is the home base of the current group of Wisconsin conservatives - Walker, Ryan, Priebus, etc.  I've had no problem or difficulty of any kind with the judges out there, and honestly have nothing bad to say about any of them, including Bohren, but there's no question they are elected based on being hard conservatives (there are exceptions to the rule).  Judges in Waukesha, as well as local prosecutors, know they have to be "tough on crime" especially in high-profile cases. Its no surprise to me that these kids were tried as adults and put in adult facilities in this case. I was somewhat surprised a Waukesha county jury made a mental health finding in this case, but again, I've not been following it closely.
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No juries, both girls had plea deals. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
No juries, both girls had plea deals. 
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The defendant Weier had a jury trial last year on the mental health defense and the jury found her "not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect."  She's the one who got a 25 year sentence in December. I don't understand this process at all, but here's what the paper said:

In December, Bohren imposed the maximum commitment length of 25 years on Weier,  whom a jury had found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Her maximum was 25 years because, as part of her deal with prosecutors, she pleaded guilty to attempted second-degree intentional homicide.

She also agreed that if the jury accepted her defense, she would not seek conditional release from Winnebago for at least three years.
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