U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (3 Viewers)

[fatness]

Ooops another committee.

The special House committee investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi will hold its first public hearing in September about changes the State Department has made to better protect diplomats, U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy said.

Gowdy said the GOP side of the committee has finished hiring staff. He said the staffers’ professional backgrounds made them helpful in identifying new witnesses. The committee is expected to release information about the staffers soon.

Will rewards be offered for "new witnesses"?

 

[timschochet]

And YOU thought it was over!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/10/first-public-benghazi-hearing-officially-on-the-schedule-n1889970?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm

The first public hearing in the Benghazi select committee investigation will be held a week from today on September 17.

Screw all the other investigations! The hell with all the millions of taxpayer dollars already spent! The House of Representatives are going to break the coverup and finally reveal the awful truth.

 

[TheIronSheik]

And YOU thought it was over!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/10/first-public-benghazi-hearing-officially-on-the-schedule-n1889970?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm

The first public hearing in the Benghazi select committee investigation will be held a week from today on September 17.

Screw all the other investigations! The hell with all the millions of taxpayer dollars already spent! The House of Representatives are going to break the coverup and finally reveal the awful truth.

Kind of reminds me of Bridgegate.

 

[timschochet]

Michael Bay planning a film on Benghazi.

 

[Topes]

Michael Bay planning a film on Benghazi.

Will it have explosions?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Michael Bay planning a film on Benghazi.

Oh that's good, if he needs a fictional narrative Susan Rice already has one ready to go.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And YOU thought it was over!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/10/first-public-benghazi-hearing-officially-on-the-schedule-n1889970?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm

The first public hearing in the Benghazi select committee investigation will be held a week from today on September 17.

Screw all the other investigations! The hell with all the millions of taxpayer dollars already spent! The House of Representatives are going to break the coverup and finally reveal the awful truth.

1st #Benghazi hrng will focus on recommendations of State Dept's Accountability Review Brd.

Any problems here?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Michael Bay planning a film on Benghazi.

Oh that's good, if he needs a fictional narrative Susan Rice already has one ready to go.

Emailed Susan an apology yet?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Michael Bay planning a film on Benghazi.

Oh that's good, if he needs a fictional narrative Susan Rice already has one ready to go.

Emailed Susan an apology yet?

No way. If anything her performance during the Libya situation has only been confirmed as her MO since. She has largely been a puppet for the WH political team with little connection to reality or actual knowledge about events. She goes out and parrots what they hand her.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.
"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."
In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi.

"He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973

The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

 

[tommyGunZ]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.

"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."

In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi.

"He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973

The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

And this is why conspiracy theories exist folks. Rice has been exonerated - all of the intelligence agencies signed off on the talking points she made on MTP - yet years later otherwise intelligent folks like Saints are still grasping at straws in order to validate their discredited position on the issue.

Unreal.

 

[Bogeys]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.

"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."

In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi.

"He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973

The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

And this is why conspiracy theories exist folks. Rice has been exonerated - all of the intelligence agencies signed off on the talking points she made on MTP - yet years later otherwise intelligent folks like Saints are still grasping at straws in order to validate their discredited position on the issue.Unreal.

Didn't the intelligence agencies sign off on WMDs in Iraq also? So now you are giving W a pass on that right? Surely you aren't just picking and choosing right?

 

[tommyGunZ]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.

"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi."He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

And this is why conspiracy theories exist folks. Rice has been exonerated - all of the intelligence agencies signed off on the talking points she made on MTP - yet years later otherwise intelligent folks like Saints are still grasping at straws in order to validate their discredited position on the issue.Unreal.

Didn't the intelligence agencies sign off on WMDs in Iraq also? So now you are giving W a pass on that right? Surely you aren't just picking and choosing right?

LOL comparing Susan Rice's appearance on MTP to the decision to invade a sovereign nation and kill 100s of thousands of people.

 

[Bogeys]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.

"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi."He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

And this is why conspiracy theories exist folks. Rice has been exonerated - all of the intelligence agencies signed off on the talking points she made on MTP - yet years later otherwise intelligent folks like Saints are still grasping at straws in order to validate their discredited position on the issue.Unreal.

Didn't the intelligence agencies sign off on WMDs in Iraq also? So now you are giving W a pass on that right? Surely you aren't just picking and choosing right?

LOL comparing Susan Rice's appearance on MTP to the decision to invade a sovereign nation and kill 100s of thousands of people.

The magnitude of the decisions has absolutely nothing to do with the point and you know it.

I knew it was a rare thing, but occasionally you aren't a complete partisan hack...apparently this isn't one of those times.

 

[tommyGunZ]

NPR - 10/14/14:

Ahmed Abu Khattala, the suspected leader of the 2012 attack against the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, has been indicted on 17 new charges by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C.

If you remember, Khattala was captured by special forces in Libya back in June. He appeared in court later that month and pleaded not guilty to a single count of conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists.

The indictment made public today clarifies the extent to which the government believes Khattala was involved in the attack, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

According to a press release from the Justice Department:

"The superseding indictment describes Khatallah's alleged role in the attacks at a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi and a second U.S. facility there, known as the annex. According to the superseding indictment, Khatallah was a leader of an extremist militia group and he conspired with others to attack the facilities, kill U.S. citizens, destroy buildings and other property, and plunder materials, including documents, maps and computers containing sensitive information.

"The offenses that could carry death sentences include one count of murder of an internationally protected person; three counts of murder of an officer and employee of the United States; four counts of killing a person in the course of an attack on a federal facility involving the use of a firearm and a dangerous weapon; and two counts of maliciously damaging and destroying U.S. property by means of fire and an explosive causing death."In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi."He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

Below, we've embedded the indictment, which provides a good narrative of what officials believe happened the night of Sept. 11, 2012 in Libya.

http://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=356196973The indictment is included. The feds have updated and increased the charges and there is still not mention or claim of the movie playing any role in the attacks.

However, Khattala's motive has finally been publicly established.

And this is why conspiracy theories exist folks. Rice has been exonerated - all of the intelligence agencies signed off on the talking points she made on MTP - yet years later otherwise intelligent folks like Saints are still grasping at straws in order to validate their discredited position on the issue.Unreal.

Didn't the intelligence agencies sign off on WMDs in Iraq also? So now you are giving W a pass on that right? Surely you aren't just picking and choosing right?

LOL comparing Susan Rice's appearance on MTP to the decision to invade a sovereign nation and kill 100s of thousands of people.

The magnitude of the decisions has absolutely nothing to do with the point and you know it.

I knew it was a rare thing, but occasionally you aren't a complete partisan hack...apparently this isn't one of those times.

It has absolutely everything to do with it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Investigation #7 is now complete - this one was conducted by the Republican controlled House Intelligence Committee.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May.

Of course there is an 8th investigation already underway. Because we haven't spent enough taxpayer money and time on this issue.

 

[fatness]

How much tax money is being wasted on these investigations?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Shut it down?

 

[Todd Andrews]

KooKs love huge wasteful meaningless government investigations of their political enemies.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

An investigation by the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee has concluded that the CIA and U.S. military responded appropriately to the attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012, dismissing allegations that the Obama administration blocked rescue attempts during the assault or sought to mislead the public afterward.
After a two-year probe that involved the review of thousands of pages of classified documents, the panel determined that the attack could not be blamed on an intelligence failure, and that CIA security operatives “ably and bravely assisted” State Department officials who were overwhelmed at a nearby but separate diplomatic compound.

The committee also found “no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support,” rejecting claims that have fed persistent conspiracy theories that the U.S. military was prevented from rescuing U.S. personnel from a night-time assault that killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

The House panel faulted preliminary assessments by the CIA and other agencies on what had caused the attacks and motivated militants, leading to erroneous public assertions by then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice that the assault had erupted from a spontaneous protest. The White House effort to assemble her talking points was deemed “flawed.”

tl;dr -- House Republicans: "Thanks for the wild-eyed rage, rubes. But now that the elections are over you're no use to us any more."

 

[Josie Maran]

Saints, any comment?

 

[Apple Jack]

They've cut bait and moved onto immigration. They'll get that colored boy yet!

 

[timschochet]

Just another cover up...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The report actually quotes Fox News in order to debunk them.

Page 16: Numerous media outlets have reported allegations about CIA collecting weapons in Benghazi and facilitating weapons from Libya to Syria. 81

Footnote 81: Fox News October 25, 2012

The eyewitness testimony and thousands of pages of CIA cables and emails that the Committee reviewed provide no support for this allegation.

 

[Josie Maran]

The report actually quotes Fox News in order to debunk them.

Page 16: Numerous media outlets have reported allegations about CIA collecting weapons in Benghazi and facilitating weapons from Libya to Syria. 81

Footnote 81: Fox News October 25, 2012

The eyewitness testimony and thousands of pages of CIA cables and emails that the Committee reviewed provide no support for this allegation.

Yeah, like we're supposed to believe that!.

 

[rockaction]

I've never been a cover-up or conspiracy guy on this because I thought the following quote was the crux of the issue. Apparently, people went further in making claims, but this sounds pretty bad to me. What exactly in that quote is exonerating, both from either a competence or transparency perspective? Weren't they perp-walking the filmmaker through the streets to prove their point about what the cause of Benghazi was?

I thought the whole point was blaming the video and misattributing the cause of the events. This seems like the House panel explicitly says the government did just that.

The House panel faulted preliminary assessments by the CIA and other agencies on what had caused the attacks and motivated militants, leading to erroneous public assertions by then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice that the assault had erupted from a spontaneous protest. The White House effort to assemble her talking points was deemed “flawed.”

 

[Workhorse]

Like most things conspiracy related, it ends with a whimper, instead of a bang.

 

[fatness]

I've never been a cover-up or conspiracy guy on this because I thought the following quote was the crux of the issue. Apparently, people went further in making claims, but this sounds pretty bad to me. What exactly in that quote is exonerating, both from either a competence or transparency perspective? Weren't they perp-walking the filmmaker through the streets to prove their point about what the cause of Benghazi was?

I thought the whole point was blaming the video and misattributing the cause of the events. This seems like the House panel explicitly says the government did just that.

The House panel faulted preliminary assessments by the CIA and other agencies on what had caused the attacks and motivated militants, leading to erroneous public assertions by then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice that the assault had erupted from a spontaneous protest. The White House effort to assemble her talking points was deemed “flawed.”

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

[SIZE=1em]http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/393275/house-intel-investigation-benghazi-clears-administration-intelligence-community[/SIZE]

If anyone wants the full report the download link is here: http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/Benghazi%20Report.pdf

 

[fatness]

Accusations/charges which the committee investigated:

In the aftermath of the attacks, Republicans criticized the Obama administration and its then-secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is expected to run for president in 2016. People in and out of government have alleged that a CIA response team was ordered to "stand down" after the State Department compound came under attack, that a military rescue was nixed, that officials intentionally downplayed the role of al-Qaida figures in the attack, and that Stevens and the CIA were involved in a secret operation to spirit weapons out of Libya and into the hands of Syrian rebels. None of that is true, according to the House Intelligence Committee report.

http://www.denverpost.com/portal/breakingnews/ci_26987182/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories?_loopback=1

 

[Bucky86]

Accusations/charges which the committee investigated:

In the aftermath of the attacks, Republicans criticized the Obama administration and its then-secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is expected to run for president in 2016. People in and out of government have alleged that a CIA response team was ordered to "stand down" after the State Department compound came under attack, that a military rescue was nixed, that officials intentionally downplayed the role of al-Qaida figures in the attack, and that Stevens and the CIA were involved in a secret operation to spirit weapons out of Libya and into the hands of Syrian rebels. None of that is true, according to the House Intelligence Committee report.

http://www.denverpost.com/portal/breakingnews/ci_26987182/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories?_loopback=1

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, any comment?

Ha, wait, we're talking about this again?

{I will take a look}

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, any comment?

Investigation #7 is now complete - this one was conducted by the Republican controlled House Intelligence Committee.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May.

Of course there is an 8th investigation already underway. Because we haven't spent enough taxpayer money and time on this issue.

No link was provided. So this story here from the AP, this is what I am supposed to comment on?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

First of all, I am not sure that in the haze of modern ideology based news delivery that anyone understands my point.

My point was that there was not any spontaneous protest or anger based on a movie driving the attack. That's it, I found that interesting and the cause of the attack interesting. I love that subject, anyone want to discuss it? I do not advocate cover-up, just that there was extreme incompetence.

Let's look at that.

Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

Ok the bolded is what I was saying, the WH was looking at news reports and not hard intelligence on the ground to make their determination.

"four from the National Security Agency": we knew this already, my point there was that the NSA memo to Rice was politically motivated. That memo has been circulated publicly, it is well known. My criticism of Rice was and is that she just parroted what was given to her and (this applies to people of all stripes) that the NSA should not be writing political memos that discuss how to buttress the president's political reputation. I stand by that.

"One from the CIA", "Two from the Defense Department": That's news to me, would love to see that and whether they were mere recapping of news reports or also based on intelligence on the ground. We also know from the emails release that there were reports that teh attack was militia based and had been expected or at least that they were not surprising. If you want an actual account of the earliest reports as they came in at State I suggest you pick up Hillary Clinton's own book (I have) in which she states quite simply that the earliest reports from their sources were that the attack was by militia that they knew had been waiting to attack for months. Later she goes back and tries to reinforce her statements about the cloudiness of the video/protest issue, but when you look at her own timeline it contradicts what she says.

Note, IIRC Hillary herself did not come out and say it was a spontaneous protest motivated by the movie when the events first happened. It was Rice who was unconnected to that area of State who was sent out to speak and she just took talking points from the NSA's political memo.

This is actually the latest on Khattala:

In the indictment, the U.S. alleges that Khatallah undertook the attack because he had learned the United States had two intelligence facilities in Benghazi.

"He viewed U.S. intelligence actions in Benghazi as illegal, and ... he was therefore going to do something about this facility," the indictment claims.

The whole indictment is there. You will see nothing about the movie being a cause for the attacks.

I will add that the president and the WH continued to allude to the movie for two weeks after the attacks, including at the UN. No explanation for that.

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

That's the hardest I wanted to laugh in quite awhile, but unfortunately, that statement is so completely sad I can't laugh.

I truly feel sorry for you.

 

[squistion]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

No, because there is nothing to disprove. There never was. I didn't waste my time trying to disprove anything, and why should I as I said all along that there was nothing to see here. You can't prove a negative.

 

[rockaction]

The whole indictment is there. You will see nothing about the movie being a cause for the attacks.

I will add that the president and the WH continued to allude to the movie for two weeks after the attacks, including at the UN. No explanation for that.

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

This is how I remember it, and how Wiki remembers it.

Using these talking points as a guide, Rice stated:

On September 20, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney answered a question about an open hearing with the National Counterterrorism Center Director, Matthew G. Olsen, which referenced which extremist groups might have been involved. Carney said, "It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials. So, again, that's self-evident."[206] On the same day, during an appearance on Univision, a Spanish-language television network in the United States, President Obama stated, "What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests."[207][208][209][210][211]

Based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy—sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent." "We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned." "I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.[200][201][202][203][204]


President Barack Obama addresses the United Nations General AssemblyOn September 24, advertisements condemning an anti-Islam video appeared on Pakistani television. The television ads in Pakistan (marked with the U.S. Embassy seal) feature clips of President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu.[212]

On September 25, in an address before the United Nations General Assembly President Obama stated, "The attacks on our civilians in Benghazi were attacks on America ... And there should be no doubt that we will be relentless in tracking down the killers and bringing them to justice."[73][213]He referred to Innocence of Muslims as "a crude and disgusting video [that] sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world." He said, "I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity."[214]He further stated, "There is no video that justifies an attack on an Embassy."[215]

 

[drummer]

LOL @ Saints.

 

[drummer]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

Now that posting is as stupid as it gets. HFS.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

That's the hardest I wanted to laugh in quite awhile, but unfortunately, that statement is so completely sad I can't laugh.

I truly feel sorry for you.

Good lord people, I will take it out, focus on the rest of the post...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

No, because there is nothing to disprove. There never was. I didn't waste my time trying to disprove anything, and why should I as I said all along that there was nothing to see here. You can't prove a negative.

And yet the news report - only partially copied and not linked btw - gets posted here with a "See! See!" tag as soon as it passes through someone's email apparently. And the Kos's and Media Matters of the world are probably trumpeting this piece as loudly as Breitbarts etc. That was my point.

Meanwhile we have a national tragedy. The idea of "we" has been lost in this country. "We" screwed up, "our" embassy got torched, "our" countrymen were killed in brutal fashion, Our politicians who are supposed to lead our country, Dems and Repubs both, failed here and we know this because it happened. Our people were there when they shouldn't have been, they didn't have support when they should have, our WH acted on fault news reports when they shouldn't have, our Congress didn't provide enough security. A whole lot of going on, actually that's all that's going on.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

Now that posting is as stupid as it gets. HFS.

Here's what else is stupid: our anti-torture president put Khattala oin a slow boat outside of international jurisdiction where he could be pulled apart for information in the secrecy and cosy quiet of a US Navy ship before he was put on civil trial. Despite all this the official administration version of events via the DOJ and US Attorney is that the movie had zero to do with what happened.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The whole indictment is there. You will see nothing about the movie being a cause for the attacks.

I will add that the president and the WH continued to allude to the movie for two weeks after the attacks, including at the UN. No explanation for that.

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

This is how I remember it, and how Wiki remembers it.

Using these talking points as a guide, Rice stated:

On September 20, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney answered a question about an open hearing with the National Counterterrorism Center Director, Matthew G. Olsen, which referenced which extremist groups might have been involved. Carney said, "It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials. So, again, that's self-evident."[206] On the same day, during an appearance on Univision, a Spanish-language television network in the United States, President Obama stated, "What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests."[207][208][209][210][211]

Based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy—sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent." "We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned." "I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.[200][201][202][203][204]

President Barack Obama addresses the United Nations General Assembly
On September 24, advertisements condemning an anti-Islam video appeared on Pakistani television. The television ads in Pakistan (marked with the U.S. Embassy seal) feature clips of President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu.[212]

On September 25, in an address before the United Nations General Assembly President Obama stated, "The attacks on our civilians in Benghazi were attacks on America ... And there should be no doubt that we will be relentless in tracking down the killers and bringing them to justice."[73][213]He referred to Innocence of Muslims as "a crude and disgusting video [that] sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world." He said, "I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity."[214]He further stated, "There is no video that justifies an attack on an Embassy."[215]

I think the UN Speech 13 days after this happened is one of the worst things to come out of this. Really sad in my opinion. We should be a beacon of free speech, aside from - again - propping this movie up as the alleged reason for the attack long after the intelligence that is discussed in the news item we're talking about, it's just really awful that the president was not defending the right of this man to make this movie or he could have just not mentioned it all. Nothing in this latest report indicates that the WH was in any way still (allegedly) disillusioned about the nature of the attacks 13 days out. I do not put this down to conspiracy, I put it down to simple incompetence and confirmation bias.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

 

[Apple Jack]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

Did this really happen?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Frankly the liberals are as obsessed with disproving the conspiracy issue as the cons are with proving it.

Did this really happen?

OMG I struck it out, let's move on, folks.

 

[drummer]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

That's easy: stop listening to crap media.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

That's easy: stop listening to crap media.

stopped listening to ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, LA Times a long time ago since they're pretty much arms of the DNC.

 

[drummer]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

That's easy: stop listening to crap media.

stopped thinking a long time ago

Fixed

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Great stuff in here.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

That's easy: stop listening to crap media.

stopped thinking a long time ago

I'm an Obama boot licker. Can't get enough.

Fixed.