U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (4 Viewers)

[drummer]

Saw Sean Duffy in a hearing on CSPAN the other day. The panel looked at him like:

"Who is this dumb****?"

There lies your MaxFlusholes

 

[drummer]

I like how "teh Libs!" is still in vogue going into 2015 for those people.

I loved this speech:

Only a few hundred miles from here, almost one year ago to the day, we stood on the steps of the Old State Capitol to reaffirm a truth that was spoken there so many generations ago - that a house divided cannot stand; that we are more than a collection of Red States and Blue States; we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Let me know when we get there.

That's easy: stop listening to crap media.

stopped thinking a long time ago

Yep

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Saw Sean Duffy in a hearing on CSPAN the other day. The panel looked at him like:

"Who is this dumb****?"

He will always be Sean from Real World Boston to me.

 

[timschochet]

Putting partisan politics aside, can we all agree that at least 99% of conspiracy theories turn out to be BS? At worst, as in this situation, somebody screwed up, somebody else was too prideful or defensive to admit it. But the key accusation made in these situations, which is that these were deliberate wrongdoings carried out by people in high places, is almost never true.

I hope the result of this would be that more people are skeptical of these stories when they arise and stop believing all the crazy accusations without merit. But somehow I doubt it.

 

[drummer]

Putting partisan politics aside, can we all agree that at least 99% of conspiracy theories turn out to be BS? At worst, as in this situation, somebody screwed up, somebody else was too prideful or defensive to admit it. But the key accusation made in these situations, which is that these were deliberate wrongdoings carried out by people in high places, is almost never true.

I hope the result of this would be that more people are skeptical of these stories when they arise and stop believing all the crazy accusations without merit. But somehow I doubt it.

Hey, it pays George Noory's bills.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Putting partisan politics aside, can we all agree that at least 99% of conspiracy theories turn out to be BS? At worst, as in this situation, somebody screwed up, somebody else was too prideful or defensive to admit it. But the key accusation made in these situations, which is that these were deliberate wrongdoings carried out by people in high places, is almost never true.

I hope the result of this would be that more people are skeptical of these stories when they arise and stop believing all the crazy accusations without merit. But somehow I doubt it.

You missed where Saints was doubling down last page? Do you think Max's posts indicate he's learned anything from this?

 

[drummer]

Saw Sean Duffy in a hearing on CSPAN the other day. The panel looked at him like:

"Who is this dumb****?"

He will always be Sean from Real World Boston to me.

It was like the other congressmen had to cut him off before he made an even bigger fool of himself. I don't think he even read any of the packets in front of him.

He was just spouting the typical Tea Party schtick, even though the other congressmen had worked with those on the panel before.

God Bless Wisconsin. That state is Florida North.

 

[msommer]

How many Congressional hearings does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

No one has the answer to that one yet...

 

[drummer]

How many Congressional hearings does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

No one has the answer to that one yet...

They need another hearing to determine that.

 

[timschochet]

Putting partisan politics aside, can we all agree that at least 99% of conspiracy theories turn out to be BS? At worst, as in this situation, somebody screwed up, somebody else was too prideful or defensive to admit it. But the key accusation made in these situations, which is that these were deliberate wrongdoings carried out by people in high places, is almost never true.

I hope the result of this would be that more people are skeptical of these stories when they arise and stop believing all the crazy accusations without merit. But somehow I doubt it.

You missed where Saints was doubling down last page? Do you think Max's posts indicate he's learned anything from this?

Max is a partisan conservative. I doubt he will change. His posts on this issue have been fairly predictable. Saints is another matter. He's been fairly consistent in not pushing the conspiracy angles of this, but instead the incompetency angles. I strongly disagree with his assessment, made earlier in this thread, that the incompetency rises to executive levels and that Obama and Hillary were involved in the incompetency and attempts to deny it, but these views are distinct from those who from the first have stated that this was all deliberate.

 

[drummer]

Max is too busy staring at that plate of sturgeon his Mom is gonna force him to eat.

 

[rockaction]

Just a bunch of people making some mistakes.

On September 27, 2012, U.S. federal authorities arrested Nakoula in Los Angeles for suspicion of violating terms of his probation. Violations included making false statements regarding his role in the film and his use of the alias "Sam Bacile". On November 7, 2012, Nakoula plead guilty to four of the charges against him and was sentenced to one year in prison and four years of supervised release.[31][32]

The Obama administration asked YouTube to review whether to continue hosting the video at all under the company's policies. YouTube said the video fell within its guidelines as the video is against Islam, but not against Muslim people, and thus not considered "hate speech".[71] Ben Wizner of the American Civil Liberties Union said of this, "It does make us nervous when the government throws its weight behind any requests for censorship."[80]

2014 court ruling on removal

Main article: Garcia v. Google
On February 26, 2014, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ordered YouTube to remove the video from its website by a 2-1 majority. The ruling was in response to a complaint by actress Cindy Lee Garcia, who had objected to the use of her performance, which had been partially dubbed for its inclusion in Innocence of Muslims. Garcia had believed during production that she was appearing in a film called Desert Warrior, which was described as a "historical Arabian Desert adventure film", and was unaware that anti-Islamic material would be added at the post-production stage. Garcia had argued that she held a copyright interest in her performance.[81][82]

 

[timschochet]

Not sure what your point is Rockaction. Even if that video wasn't the cause of the Benghazi attacks, it still caused Muslim protests against the USA all around the world, which threatened the lives of diplomats and American travelers in the Middle East.

 

[rockaction]

Not sure what your point is Rockaction. Even if that video wasn't the cause of the Benghazi attacks, it still caused Muslim protests against the USA all around the world, which threatened the lives of diplomats and American travelers in the Middle East.

My point is that SaintsInDome2006 is kind of on to something when considering the timeline. Always has been. The Benghazi incident, as I remember at the time, was blamed on the movie and they continued to blame it on the movie until members of the "detestable" conservative press proved otherwise. Reason, NR, and other outlets were all convinced of the official line until some digging was done. Once the digging was done, the press and the WH and the CIA and State seemed to all cling to the story. That's how I remember it happening. Whether or not it was intentional, the official line was hotly defended, the conservative press called wrong, and now it's all just an innocent mistake. Nothing to see here. It's part of (and here I tip my hat to tGunZ for either coining or repeating the phrase, unheard of to me) the INFOWARS we see every day. And it just leads me to believe that if we didn't have an adversarial other side of the press that certain people hate, we might never have known how false it all was.

I never really cared about it too much and can't believe we're debating that people really screwed up to the point where they publicly perp-walked the creator of the "movie" through the press and the streets and then effectively got the video banned under copyright law.

 

[drummer]

It was a dangerous place to begin with. Stevens had to be snuck in on a boat. Stuff happens in dangerous places. That's why you have Embassy's.

 

[fatness]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/23/jeff-flake-benghazi_n_6207358.html?1416760186

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said during an interview Sunday with CNN's "State of the Union" that he didn't buy the committee's findings. Graham said the report was "full of crap."

"That's a bunch of garbage. That's a complete bunch of garbage," the senator said when host Gloria Borger pointed to the report's conclusion that no one in the administration had lied.

"Why is the Republican chairman on the House Intelligence Committee buying a bunch of garbage?" Borger asked in response.

"Good question," said Graham.

 

[3C's]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/23/jeff-flake-benghazi_n_6207358.html?1416760186

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said during an interview Sunday with CNN's "State of the Union" that he didn't buy the committee's findings. Graham said the report was "full of crap."

"That's a bunch of garbage. That's a complete bunch of garbage," the senator said when host Gloria Borger pointed to the report's conclusion that no one in the administration had lied.

"Why is the Republican chairman on the House Intelligence Committee buying a bunch of garbage?" Borger asked in response.

"Good question," said Graham.

Saw that and the entire time I'm hearing him speak in the Jon Stewart way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VaLGzoPRo

 

[fatness]

I have my suspicions, which is Secretary Clinton told Leon [Panetta] to stand down, and we all heard about the stand-down order for two military personnel. That order is undeniable.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), remarks during a GOP fundraising dinner, Concord, N.H., Feb. 17, 2014

Still

 

[fatness]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.

But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

 

[MaxThreshold]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.

But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.

But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said 14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

Comparing Susan Rice's appearance on MTPress to the decision to Invade Iraq again?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/23/jeff-flake-benghazi_n_6207358.html?1416760186

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said during an interview Sunday with CNN's "State of the Union" that he didn't buy the committee's findings. Graham said the report was "full of crap."

"That's a bunch of garbage. That's a complete bunch of garbage," the senator said when host Gloria Borger pointed to the report's conclusion that no one in the administration had lied.

"Why is the Republican chairman on the House Intelligence Committee buying a bunch of garbage?" Borger asked in response.

"Good question," said Graham.

I wonder what he would have said had the report been to his liking. What a moron.

 

[dozer]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.

But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

That's like comparing apples to pistachio nuts.

 

[joffer]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

you can't be real

 

[squistion]

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

Comparing Susan Rice's appearance on MTPress to the decision to Invade Iraq again?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Anybody from the intelligence area asserting that this was spontaneous is a fool. The state sept knew it was an attack and knew who the perpetrators were on the night of the attack. The used RPGs. The people on the ground were telling the people in Washington that there was no protest. Why the intelligence community would advance a theory that defies all evidence and common sense is worth looking into.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Oh, MaxKooK. You are so silly.

 

[cubd8]

Hasn't the biggest issue always been the administration's response? Rice was full of BS on those talk shows.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Anybody from the intelligence area asserting that this was spontaneous is a fool. The state sept knew it was an attack and knew who the perpetrators were on the night of the attack. The used RPGs. The people on the ground were telling the people in Washington that there was no protest. Why the intelligence community would advance a theory that defies all evidence and common sense is worth looking into.

I always love it when folks in the FFA call the intelligence agencies "fools".

 

[drummer]

Ah hell, tim's lurking in the thread.

WWARD?

 

[tommyboy]

I knew within a day this wasnt because of the movie, so susan rice certainly knew as well. She just lied

 

[drummer]

Conspiracy theories are like tommy's bets.

 

[tommyboy]

Conspiracy theories are like tommy's bets.

I posted it sep 13, on page 11. You seemed to agree at that time

 

[drummer]

Conspiracy theories are like tommy's bets.

I posted it sep 13, on page 11. You seemed to agree at that time

I never said there was a cover up. My points were the POTUS using the appropriate language instead of Romney or Bachmann looney schtick, which IIRC got Romney in a bit of a pickle.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Hopefully investigation #7 will clear things up.

 

[FlapJacks]

Anybody from the intelligence area asserting that this was spontaneous is a fool. The state sept knew it was an attack and knew who the perpetrators were on the night of the attack. The used RPGs. The people on the ground were telling the people in Washington that there was no protest. Why the intelligence community would advance a theory that defies all evidence and common sense is worth looking into.

I always love it when folks in the FFA call the intelligence agencies "fools".

God forbid anybody question them when they claim stuff like Imminent danger of WMDs in Iraq as a "slam dunk."

 

[3C's]

Some of the harshest charges have been leveled at Rice, now Obama's national security adviser, who represented the Obama administration on Sunday talk shows the weekend after the attack. Rice repeated talking points that wrongly described a protest over a video deemed offensive to Muslims.

But Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories

Weird how the left is willing to accept faulty intelligence concerning this matter but when faulty intelligence precipitated the Iraq war they weren't interested in hearing excuses and immediately jumped all over Bush.

That's like comparing apples to pistachio nuts.

It's like almost the same man! Bush lied, soldiers died. Ambassador died, Susan Rice lied.

 

[fatness]

Hasn't the biggest issue always been the administration's response? Rice was full of BS on those talk shows.

The "biggest issue" has always been whatever accusation the Republicans pulled out of their ### lately.

 

[fatness]

Rice's comments were based on faulty intelligence from multiple agencies, according to the report. Analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi, the report said —14 from the Open Source Center, which reviews news reports; one from the CIA; two from the Defense Department; and four from the National Security Agency.

In the years since, some participants in the attack have said they were motivated by the video. The attackers were a mix of extremists and hangers on, the investigation found.

"To this day," the report said, "significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain."

 

[rockaction]

Ahhh, this should get #8 going. Wonderful article.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/24/20-ways-media-completely-misread-congress-weak-sauce-benghazi-report/

 

[tommyGunZ]

Ahhh, this should get #8 going. Wonderful article.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/24/20-ways-media-completely-misread-congress-weak-sauce-benghazi-report/

Not really. I'm pissed that I wasted 5 minutes reading that nonsense before clicking on the author's archives that show she's a conspiracy theorist.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ahhh, this should get #8 going. Wonderful article.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/24/20-ways-media-completely-misread-congress-weak-sauce-benghazi-report/

Not really. I'm pissed that I wasted 5 minutes reading that nonsense before clicking on the author's archives that show she's a conspiracy theorist.

Well, one thing the article does is... actually link to the rport.

http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/Benghazi%20Report.pdf

Everyone's read it, right? Anyone commenting on it without having read it? Or is that everyone?

“The State Department had contracted with the February 17th Brigade and the Blue Mountain Group to provide local security for the TMF facility. All available information indicates that the February 17th Brigade guards were inside the walls of the compound and did not detect or report information about the attackers before the attackers breached the gate.”

While a large part of Benghazi has fallen to Ansar al Sharia and allies including the Libya Shield and the February 17 Brigade, Operation Dignity vowed to defend a protest tonight against the Islamists. Ansar al Sharia, which claimed to have taken over the city, has destroyed Benghazi's main police station, and no police, army, or special forces troops are visible.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/today-in/2014/08/while_a_large_part_of.php#ixzz3K9m6mpnY

So, wait, we - the State Department - contracted with a militia group that is now allied with Ansar Al Sharia, to provide security for the embassy. AAS perpetrated the attacks, per the report.

That is a new tidbit. No thoughts there, not interesting at all?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassador’s? That would be September 16.

???????????

 

[rockaction]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassador’s? That would be September 16.

???????????

 

[tommyGunZ]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassadors? That would be September 16.

???????????

From that document: "Third, the committee finds That a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Queda, Participated in the attacks on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, although the the committee finds that the Intelligence was and is still conflicting as to the identities, Affiliations, and motivations of the attackers."

So even this investigation finds that this stuff still isn't clear in hindsight, months after the attack, yet we're still supposed to believe that Rice and Co, were either incompetent or misleading in their heavily caveated comments 4 days after the attack?

 

[FlapJacks]

Ahhh, this should get #8 going. Wonderful article.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/24/20-ways-media-completely-misread-congress-weak-sauce-benghazi-report/

Not really. I'm pissed that I wasted 5 minutes reading that nonsense before clicking on the author's archives that show she's a conspiracy theorist.

Well, one thing the article does is... actually link to the rport.

http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/Benghazi%20Report.pdf

Everyone's read it, right? Anyone commenting on it without having read it? Or is that everyone?

“The State Department had contracted with the February 17th Brigade and the Blue Mountain Group to provide local security for the TMF facility. All available information indicates that the February 17th Brigade guards were inside the walls of the compound and did not detect or report information about the attackers before the attackers breached the gate.”

While a large part of Benghazi has fallen to Ansar al Sharia and allies including the Libya Shield and the February 17 Brigade, Operation Dignity vowed to defend a protest tonight against the Islamists. Ansar al Sharia, which claimed to have taken over the city, has destroyed Benghazi's main police station, and no police, army, or special forces troops are visible.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/today-in/2014/08/while_a_large_part_of.php#ixzz3K9m6mpnY

So, wait, we - the State Department - contracted with a militia group that is now allied with Ansar Al Sharia, to provide security for the embassy. AAS perpetrated the attacks, per the report.

That is a new tidbit. No thoughts there, not interesting at all?

expect a lot of figurative hands over ears while going "la-la-la-la" - same as has always been since 9/11/12

 

[FlapJacks]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassadors? That would be September 16.

???????????

From that document: "Third, the committee finds That a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Queda, Participated in the attacks on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, although the the committee finds that the Intelligence was and is still conflicting as to the identities, Affiliations, and motivations of the attackers."

So even this investigation finds that this stuff still isn't clear in hindsight, months after the attack, yet we're still supposed to believe that Rice and Co, were either incompetent or misleading in their heavily caveated comments 4 days after the attack?

to say that the attack was a protest gone awry defies common sense and verifiable facts on the night of the attack. If that info was coming from the Intelligence community then we need to find out if they are just blatantly incompetent or lying. If the Intelligence community is lying, then the question is what are they hiding from the American people, their elected representatives and the administration. Why is the administration playing along with the lie or blatant incompetence, instead of helping to get to the bottom of it?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassadors? That would be September 16.

???????????

From that document: "Third, the committee finds That a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Queda, Participated in the attacks on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, although the the committee finds that the Intelligence was and is still conflicting as to the identities, Affiliations, and motivations of the attackers."

So even this investigation finds that this stuff still isn't clear in hindsight, months after the attack, yet we're still supposed to believe that Rice and Co, were either incompetent or misleading in their heavily caveated comments 4 days after the attack?

to say that the attack was a protest gone awry defies common sense and verifiable facts on the night of the attack. If that info was coming from the Intelligence community then we need to find out if they are just blatantly incompetent or lying. If the Intelligence community is lying, then the question is what are they hiding from the American people, their elected representatives and the administration. Why is the administration playing along with the lie or blatant incompetence, instead of helping to get to the bottom of it?

Thank you, let's remember this is in the manner of a self-regulation style internal investigation of the intelligence community on itself. If you look at the DOJ they have (surprise) a court case going and Khattalla has already said why he and the militias attacked, etc., etc.

It's one thing to say that the intelligence was mixed at the time, it's another to keep maintaining that the movie and the spontaneous protest were the result of the attack at this place and time, it's been absolutely refuted and it has been for a very, very, very long time.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassadors? That would be September 16.

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From that document: "Third, the committee finds That a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Queda, Participated in the attacks on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, although the the committee finds that the Intelligence was and is still conflicting as to the identities, Affiliations, and motivations of the attackers."

So even this investigation finds that this stuff still isn't clear in hindsight, months after the attack, yet we're still supposed to believe that Rice and Co, were either incompetent or misleading in their heavily caveated comments 4 days after the attack?

That does not say that a spontaneous protest erupted over a 10 minute movie trailer loaded onto youtube by a guy in L.A. on the anniversary of September 11th.

It does say:

In the months prior, the IC provided intelligence about previous attacks and the increased threat environment in Benghazi.

There was no specific warning of that specific attack but they knew it had been coming for months.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The IC began to receive intelligence on the attackers and their affiliations immediately following the attacks. In January 2013, CIA conducted a review of the analytic products between September 12, 2012, and October 11, 2012, that addressed the attacks. The review found that CIA accurately assessed on September 12 and 13, 2012, that members of AAS and of various aI-Qa'ida affiliates perpetrated the attacks. As new reporting provided greater information and detail, CIA gained corroborating reporting to support their previous assessments. This line of analysis remained consistent through the timeframe of the line analytic review and continues to be supported today.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1369333/benghazi-report.txt

And when did Susan Rice go on television blaming a YouTube video for sparking a protest that somehow magically transformed into this super-effective double-location onslaught that took four American lives including an American Ambassadors? That would be September 16.

???????????

From that document: "Third, the committee finds That a mixed group of individuals, including those affiliated with Al Queda, Participated in the attacks on the U.S. facility in Benghazi, although the the committee finds that the Intelligence was and is still conflicting as to the identities, Affiliations, and motivations of the attackers."

So even this investigation finds that this stuff still isn't clear in hindsight, months after the attack, yet we're still supposed to believe that Rice and Co, were either incompetent or misleading in their heavily caveated comments 4 days after the attack?

to say that the attack was a protest gone awry defies common sense and verifiable facts on the night of the attack. If that info was coming from the Intelligence community then we need to find out if they are just blatantly incompetent or lying. If the Intelligence community is lying, then the question is what are they hiding from the American people, their elected representatives and the administration. Why is the administration playing along with the lie or blatant incompetence, instead of helping to get to the bottom of it?

Thank you, let's remember this is in the manner of a self-regulation style internal investigation of the intelligence community on itself. If you look at the DOJ they have (surprise) a court case going and Khattalla has already said why he and the militias attacked, etc., etc.

It's one thing to say that the intelligence was mixed at the time, it's another to keep maintaining that the movie and the spontaneous protest were the result of the attack at this place and time, it's been absolutely refuted and it has been for a very, very, very long time.

We've had 7 investigations now, and NONE have shown that there was an intention to deceive. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, you're the one missing the boat on this one?