U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

By the way, Nakoula deserves to get the #### beat out of him for this:

The YouTube account "Sam Bacile," which was used to publish excerpts of the provocative movie in July, was used to post comments online as recently as Tuesday, including this defense of the film written in Arabic: "It is a 100 percent American movie, you cows."

Is this guy even an American citizen?

 

[TxBuckeye]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

 

[GroveDiesel]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

 

[StrikeS2k]

2. Wired reporting that there was no Marine detail, just a small "State Department security force." Is anyone else confused as to why we don't have Marines guarding the embassy in Libya? I would think that would be one of the 5 or 6 most likely places to have actual marines.

This still blows me away. It seems like it would be SOP for an embassy in a country like this to have a hardened "fallback" position somewhere in the compound that could be defended by a handful of Marines. It's not like they're being stormed by an all-star team of Israeli and UK commandos -- these are jackasses with guns who have no chance overtaking a small group of dug-in US troops.

The attack was at a consulate, not an embassy. That may be the reason. Not sure.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

2. Wired reporting that there was no Marine detail, just a small "State Department security force." Is anyone else confused as to why we don't have Marines guarding the embassy in Libya? I would think that would be one of the 5 or 6 most likely places to have actual marines.

This still blows me away. It seems like it would be SOP for an embassy in a country like this to have a hardened "fallback" position somewhere in the compound that could be defended by a handful of Marines. It's not like they're being stormed by an all-star team of Israeli and UK commandos -- these are jackasses with guns who have no chance overtaking a small group of dug-in US troops.

The attack was at a consulate, not an embassy. That may be the reason. Not sure.

And funding for the State Department has been consistently gutted, no matter what party has been in charge.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

 

[H8tank]

2. Wired reporting that there was no Marine detail, just a small "State Department security force." Is anyone else confused as to why we don't have Marines guarding the embassy in Libya? I would think that would be one of the 5 or 6 most likely places to have actual marines.

It gets better:

She did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.

http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarmed-marines/Also, one of those killed told people hours before the event, guards posted to protect them were taking photos of the grounds, prelude to an assault.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I realize my post last night was kind of counterproductive, I apologize for that. I essentially did what I was railing against which isn't helping matters.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It gets better:

She did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.

http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarmed-marines/Also, one of those killed told people hours before the event, guards posted to protect them were taking photos of the grounds, prelude to an assault.

This is more of an attack on responsible journalism than H8tank, but let's parse the linked story. The Time blogger is quoting another blogger who is quoting unidentified "Marine message boards" that the Time blogger cannot locate. That's just awful journalism that has no place on anything (even a blog) associated with Time. It's the equivalent of printing what some Yahoo at the 7/11 tells you. Journalists don't have the job of passing along every rumor that comes down the pike. They're supposed to, I don't know, do some actual reporting first.

 

[Jim11]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

 

[drummer]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

 

[Jim11]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

Did you post that just to make my point?

 

[drummer]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

That, and ya gotta feel sorry for randy.

 

[moleculo]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

That, and ya gotta feel sorry for randy.

all of you are now on my ignore list.eta: anyone know how to add someone to an ignore list? I've never felt the need to before, but I'm ready to pop this seal.etax2: n/m, found it.

 

[drummer]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

That, and ya gotta feel sorry for randy.

all of you are now on my ignore list.eta: anyone know how to add someone to an ignore list? I've never felt the need to before, but I'm ready to pop this seal.

I dunno, I have never put anybody on ignore. Because you can just, well, ignore a post on your own.

 

[Novice2]

Thanks for proving my point. You areally, really are just a self-centered horses ###.

So says the dude who can't post without name-calling.

If the horse shoe fits....

So says the dude who posts nothing of substance. You're voting for Obama, aintcha?

Jim is feeling a little randy today.

He just can't keep politics out of it. His need to spew forth blather greatly outweighs any respect for the dead. Kind of my my whole point actually.

That, and ya gotta feel sorry for randy.

all of you are now on my ignore list.eta: anyone know how to add someone to an ignore list? I've never felt the need to before, but I'm ready to pop this seal.

I dunno, I have never put anybody on ignore. Because you can just, well, ignore a post on your own.

Impossible!!!

 

[pittstownkiller]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

 

[bigbottom]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

Isn't that an accurate description? Or do you subscribe to the with us or against us black and white dichotomy.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

What the #### is going on here? I've been working a ton and haven't heard a word on this until now....I'm not going to read through 10 pages of #####-slapping, so can someone quickly give me a non-partisan cliff notes version of what has happened?

TIA, will answer yours.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I realize my post last night was kind of counterproductive, I apologize for that. I essentially did what I was railing against which isn't helping matters.

I thought your post was pretty much dead on. Lots of people being tools in this thread.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

Isn't that an accurate description? Or do you subscribe to the with us or against us black and white dichotomy.

The administration spent the rest of the rest of the morning walking this statement back: first a mealy-mouth parsing by the White House Press Secretary; then a comic revue by the State Department. The best part was Carney saying since we do not have a signed alliance with Egypt they are not an ally; the administration was then asked if they consider Israel an ally since we do not have the alliances in place with them either. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/state-department-egypt-ally

 

[GroveDiesel]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

Isn't that an accurate description? Or do you subscribe to the with us or against us black and white dichotomy.

I think it is. Obama walked back the statement a bit today, but I think it was actually a good move. It made sure that Egypt still knows we want to be supportive of them while still sending the message that what happened is unacceptable and needs to change.

 

[quickhands]

Major props to Obama for his statement today saying that Egypt wasn't an ally at this point but wasn't an enemy either. Right on.

Quality Leadership as always

Pure amateur hour by the Administration on the handling of this. I haven't seen so many mixed messages since Alexander Haig said he was in charge after Reagan got shot.

Isn't that an accurate description? Or do you subscribe to the with us or against us black and white dichotomy.

I think it is. Obama walked back the statement a bit today, but I think it was actually a good move. It made sure that Egypt still knows we want to be supportive of them while still sending the message that what happened is unacceptable and needs to change.

walked back? didn't he say that the president needs to think before speaking? drudge reporting obama had 48 hrs warning about Benghazi. and no warnings where given.

 

[quickhands]

Libyan ambassador raped before being killed....developing

 

[JZilla]

I realize my post last night was kind of counterproductive, I apologize for that. I essentially did what I was railing against which isn't helping matters.

I thought your post was pretty much dead on. Lots of people being tools in this thread.

Well every time I turned on the news yesterday it was the same bull####. These tools are just regurgitating the crap they're fed.Campaign season trumps all, I guess. I blame Obama.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Libyan ambassador raped before being killed....developing

What is this? If this is shtick it is reprehensible, if it is true it is disgusting.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Secret documents went missing... putting the lives of a lot of people in danger.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Several hundred attackers...

 

[pittstownkiller]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

Ramp down the schtick please.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

Ramp down the schtick please.

Why should he? Should Marvin?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

State Department ignored warnings before the attack...

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

Ramp down the schtick please.

Why should he? Should Marvin?

Because I would hope pitts is better than this, and Marvin should ramp his schtick up because it's full of awesome.

 

[drummer]

State Department ignored warnings before the attack...

I saw one link from The Independent. Where are the other sources outside of that?

 

[Stinger Ray]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

Ramp down the schtick please.

Why should he? Should Marvin?

Because I would hope pitts is better than this, and Marvin should ramp his schtick up because it's full of awesome.

ya...your man love of Marvin is obvious.

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

Ramp down the schtick please.

Why should he? Should Marvin?

Because I would hope pitts is better than this, and Marvin should ramp his schtick up because it's full of awesome.

ya...your man love of Marvin is obvious.

So is yours.

 

[bigbottom]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

State Department ignored warnings before the attack...

I saw one link from The Independent. Where are the other sources outside of that?

And that link only mentioned general warnings...not about specific targets. Wouldn't surprise me if there are similar warnings every September 11th.

 

[Mark Davis]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

They are posting on a message board not storming embassies and killing diplomats. Great logic comparing message board posters to murdering terrorists!

Those in charge of the Nazi Propaganda machine never shot any Jews at close range either, thanks for not understanding the fine line.

 

[Jim11]

They are posting on a message board not storming embassies and killing diplomats. Great logic comparing message board posters to murdering terrorists!

Those in charge of the Nazi Propaganda machine never shot any Jews at close range either, thanks for not understanding the fine line.

Such a brilliant analogy. You teach logic 101, right?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

They are posting on a message board not storming embassies and killing diplomats. Great logic comparing message board posters to murdering terrorists!

Those in charge of the Nazi Propaganda machine never shot any Jews at close range either, thanks for not understanding the fine line.

Such a brilliant analogy.

 

[pittstownkiller]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

Romney's advisers are Neo-Cons. Romney is fuzzy on Foreign Policy enough as it is. It was totally ###hat of him to put a cheap shot out there with zero intelligence from the ground.

 

[bigbottom]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

Whether Romney is right or wrong is not the point. Or at least not my point.

 

[tommyboy]

This is not good. This isn't good for America, let alone Obama. There will be more attacks.

 

[Mark Davis]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

I'm no Obama fan but Romney really tripped over the starting blocks on this thing. I don't disagree with the premise behind it but he did it in a clumsy manner and hurt any credibility he might have had. I doubt the government of Libya, such that it is, is really capable of defending itself, much less our consulate. I'm as conservative as it comes when we are talking economics and tend to vote that way, but the Bush administration didn't do us any favors in that part of the world either. I'm not so sure I see the White House as "amateurish" so much as thinking the United States' policy is very misguided. Also, does anyone really believe this thing started over the movie? It was September 11. The radicals have always been very focused on anniversaries and the meaning of them. If anything, the movie was merely used as cover for it. It just didn't happen to get all this coverage on that particular day.

 

[drummer]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

I'm no Obama fan but Romney really tripped over the starting blocks on this thing. I don't disagree with the premise behind it but he did it in a clumsy manner and hurt any credibility he might have had. I doubt the government of Libya, such that it is, is really capable of defending itself, much less our consulate. I'm as conservative as it comes when we are talking economics and tend to vote that way, but the Bush administration didn't do us any favors in that part of the world either. I'm not so sure I see the White House as "amateurish" so much as thinking the United States' policy is very misguided. Also, does anyone really believe this thing started over the movie? It was September 11. The radicals have always been very focused on anniversaries and the meaning of them. If anything, the movie was merely used as cover for it. It just didn't happen to get all this coverage on that particular day.

I'm waiting to see how Al Qaeda fits in all of this.

 

[pittstownkiller]

This story just keeps blowing up and I don't think that it looks good for Obama to be out on the campaign trail.

I think there's a risk of it not looking good, particularly if things continue to break out or escalate and he maintains a full campaign schedule. It also doesn't look good for Romney and Ryan to so quickly seek to publicly undermine the President on this issue as the administration attempts to deal with this extremely challenging situation.

Agreed on political fallout for both. The petty bickering should stop and deal with the issue. Both parties need to seriously re-evaluate our policies in that part of the world. Anyone miss Hosni Mubarak yet?

I believe Romney's statement, which while it was a casaulity of unfortunate timing, is being validated by every new report. The statement from the Cairo Embassy was weak and did not convey anything but an apologetic tone. The White House needed to demand that there was some protection for the embassies when they felt there was a threat. While Romney is prominent, and can be criticized, he is not the President and at the same time the White House is looking very amateurish in their handling of the situation - prior, during, and after. What a shame that these people were killed and that their safe house was known to the enemy.

Romney's advisers are Neo-Cons. Romney is fuzzy on Foreign Policy enough as it is. It was totally ###hat of him to put a cheap shot out there with zero intelligence from the ground.

I know the effort that is being put in to try to make this Romney's problem but he isn't president. The actual President's State Department issued the ridiculous statement where they fell on their sword; Romney was correct to call them out on it - it was a major blunde by the Obama Administration. Romney has not been issued the daily threat analysis reports, from the White House, but you act like he had the same information that Obama held and acted out of indifference to the situation.