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You look so ridiculous with every additional post you put on here Move along, lemming. Follow the leader.You have been trying to run this theme for months now.
I don't think you have even managed to convince yourself.
You look so ridiculous with every additional post you put on here Move along, lemming. Follow the leader.You have been trying to run this theme for months now.
I don't think you have even managed to convince yourself.
Yes. When the alternative is a guy that says stuff without any logic, she is the best choice.flapgreen said:What has she done that is good? What makes her qualified? Is it because she has been in the government for so many years? That, alone, makes her the best choice?
Shtick? You can't be this ignorant.flapgreen said:What has she done that is good? What makes her qualified? Is it because she has been in the government for so many years? That, alone, makes her the best choice?
No plan. No plan B. It is what it is. She lied to further her political ambitions. Apparently this is okay.matuski said:So we have Irishidiot and Max retreating to the very poignant "BUT THAT POLITICIAN IS A LIAR!" routine.
An impressive plan B if ever there was one.
Sadly when the alternative is Drumpf, yes that makes her the best choice. Unquestionably. HRC is status-quo, which sucks but Drumpf is legitimately dangerous. 4-8 more years of the status quo is far, far better than even a week of a Drumpf/Kardashian (presumably) ticket.flapgreen said:What has she done that is good? What makes her qualified? Is it because she has been in the government for so many years? That, alone, makes her the best choice?
I can't keep my head buried in the sand like you. I'm willing to admit they are both POS.joffer said:Your insistence on equivocating the two is the problem.
Hardly empty...logical people believe they are both terrible. Not sure why you think your POS is better than any other POS.matuski said:He is trying to convince himself by making the empty effort over and over.
“I understand that after more than two years and $7 million spent by the Benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it found nothing, nothing to contradict the conclusions of the independent accountability board or the conclusions of the earlier prior investigations carried out on a bipartisan basis in the Congress,” Clinton said. “So while this unfortunately took on a partisan tinge, I want us to stay focused on what we’ve always stayed focused on, and that is the important work of diplomacy and development.”No plan. No plan B. It is what it is. She lied to further her political ambitions. Apparently this is okay.
Good for you & her.
Not many disagree that both are terrible.Hardly empty...logical people believe they are both terrible. Not sure why you think your POS is better than any other POS.
If one guy steals a kid's ice cream cone, he's a POS.I can't keep my head buried in the sand like you. I'm willing to admit they are both POS.
So, you think you can believe her? Being a known liar and all?“I understand that after more than two years and $7 million spent by the Benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it found nothing, nothing to contradict the conclusions of the independent accountability board or the conclusions of the earlier prior investigations carried out on a bipartisan basis in the Congress,” Clinton said. “So while this unfortunately took on a partisan tinge, I want us to stay focused on what we’ve always stayed focused on, and that is the important work of diplomacy and development.”
Is "Nobody" what you use to convince yourself you're not supporting a POS?Not many disagree that both are terrible.
Nobody (not even you) believes there is an equivocation to be made between the two.
On the scale of terribleness, one is off the charts.. the other a less than desirable career politician.
But that's not the case here. They both thru the kid off the cliff together. One held the arms and the other held the legs.If one guy steals a kid's ice cream cone, he's a POS.
if another guy throws the same kid off a cliff, he's a bigger POS.
QED
Monarchs tend to be above the law.I really think the Clintons are just trolling us all at this point.
Seriously, then they ask her about it, and she says there is nothing wrong with it. Even Tim would probably say that it looks bad, and is a conflict of interest.Monarchs tend to be above the law.
Sure about that? I think he may be defending it in the HRC thread as a courtesy by the USAG to keep Bill informed as to what's going on with the "inquiry."Even Tim would probably say that it looks bad, and is a conflict of interest.
wanna bet?Seriously, then they ask her about it, and she says there is nothing wrong with it. Even Tim would probably say that it looks bad, and is a conflict of interest.
All forms of political lying should be outlawed, by punishment of death.She lied to further her political ambitions. Apparently this is okay.
I can't keep my head buried in the sand like you. I'm willing to admit they are both POS.
Once again I think pretty much everyone agrees that they both suck. But, as with everything else, there are degrees as to how much they suck and Trump is a universe swallowing Black Hole who is legitimately dangerous, relative to Clinton who represents, at worst a Kirby vacuum cleaner of suckitude. I will take status quo over a significant potential threat to our nation.Hardly empty...logical people believe they are both terrible. Not sure why you think your POS is better than any other POS.
It doesn't matter if we believe her, but we should believe the partisan commission that did everything they possibly could to find her in any way culpable for Benghazi and despite their best efforts, and millions of our wasted tax dollars, they came up with nothing.So, you think you can believe her? Being a known liar and all?
Not sure why you find that funny because that really isn't the case...the issue many conservatives have is they are tired of "campaign conservatives"...politicians who campaign as conservatives and than throw away what they said during the campaign once they get elected...also, one thing that appeals to many is Trump's anti-political correctness stance...he will tell the elites to screw and does not bow-down to the New York Times altar or run away in fear once the usual suspects start calling him the names any GOP contender will get...I don't think there are many conservatives who see Trump as a conservative savior because he is not...I think many are simply tired of the phony conservatives and have nowhere else to turn at this point in the election season if their ultimate goal is keeping Hillary out of the White House...I also find it hilarious that conservatives have convinced themselves that The Donald, in any way, represents their core values.
You really think Drumpf won't do what is politically expedient and/or always opt for the most self serving choice when he hits a decision point? His lack of "political correctness" cuts both ways and there is no way that he holds to any stance if it is in his own personal best interest to choose the opposite.Not sure why you find that funny because that really isn't the case...the issue many conservatives have is they are tired of "campaign conservatives"...politicians who campaign as conservatives and than throw away what they said during the campaign once they get elected...also, one thing that appeals to many is Drumpf's anti-political correctness stance...he will tell the elites to screw and does not bow-down to the New York Times altar or run away in fear once the usual suspects start calling him the names any GOP contender will get...I don't think there are many conservatives who see Drumpf as a conservative savior because he is not...I think many are simply tired of the phony conservatives and have nowhere else to turn at this point in the election season if their ultimate goal is keeping Hillary out of the White House...
Which conservatives are those? The Donald represents a rebellion against the status quo, nothing more.I also find it hilarious that conservatives have convinced themselves that The Donald, in any way, represents their core values.
I am not going to defend Trump or pretend he's something he's not...but I think there are many people who simply find Hillary as unacceptable and would not vote for her regardless of who she is running against (I readily admit I fall into this category...I think the only way I would vote for Hillary is if she was running against Lizzie Warren)...and in all honesty many of the insults I see thrown at Trump could be applied to Hillary (yes Trump may have thin-skinned...but Hillary falls into that category as well)...I don't want to get into a back and fourth on this because it will end up in a dead end...these are two awful candidates and I think anyone who doesn't think their candidate is deeply flawed is either lying to themselves or an ideologue who borders on religious zealotry...You really think Drumpf won't do what is politically expedient and/or always opt for the most self serving choice when he hits a decision point? His lack of "political correctness" cuts both ways and there is no way that he holds to any stance if it is in his own personal best interest to choose the opposite.
Keeping Hillary out of office is a fine goal but doing it by putting a thin skinned, self serving reactionary in her place is the definition of not thinking your position through.
I think most of the Trump supporters just like him because he isn't an establishment politician. He is an outsider. He is calling out corporate cronyism, the lobbyist problem, our crappy trade deals that other countries violate, shipoing of jobs overseas, our ties to crappy middle eastern countries, shady connections between governments and leading candidates charitable foundations, etc. He funded his own campaign instead of taking bribes from large corporations. There is a lot to like. He is rocking the boat, whether you like him or not it's important that he is talking about these things. Despite what the national media wants you to believe, this country has more pressing issues than LGBT rights. Thanks to Twitter & his popularity he will still be able to bring attention to crappy things like TPPA, or whatever they bring it back as that Hillary will definitely support, long after the race is over.I also find it hilarious that conservatives have convinced themselves that The Donald, in any way, represents their core values.
None of which makes him remotely qualified to be the leader of the free world. Economists agree that his trade wars and economic policies will be a disaster of world-wide proportions.Quez said:I think most of the Trump supporters just like him because he isn't an establishment politician. He is an outsider. He is calling out corporate cronyism, the lobbyist problem, our crappy trade deals that other countries violate, shipoing of jobs overseas, our ties to crappy middle eastern countries, shady connections between governments and leading candidates charitable foundations, etc. He funded his own campaign instead of taking bribes from large corporations. There is a lot to like. He is rocking the boat, whether you like him or not it's important that he is talking about these things. Despite what the national media wants you to believe, this country has more pressing issues than LGBT rights. Thanks to Twitter & his popularity he will still be able to bring attention to crappy things like TPPA, or whatever they bring it back as that Hillary will definitely support, long after the race is over.
You dont get it, we are sick of these recycled politicians. Nothing changes accept for more Isis, and less jobs.None of which makes him remotely qualified to be the leader of the free world. Economists agree that his trade wars and economic policies will be a disaster of world-wide proportions.
And if he's funding his own campaign, why is he illegally soliciting donations from foreign governments? The evidence of him self-financing is dwindling.
What I don't get is making it worse because people are fed up. Vote for better politicians, not people who are clueless.You dont get it, we are sick of these recycled politicians. Nothing changes accept for more Isis, and less jobs.
i am tired of career politicians, but i'll take one over this buffoon any day and twice on Sundays.You dont get it, we are sick of these recycled politicians. Nothing changes accept for more Isis, and less jobs.
And one other thing - if people really are fed up, they need to start paying attention (and voting) for better local government. Vote for a better Congress - the people who really do make a difference. What good is Trump gonna do if we still have the same do-nothing, obstructionist Congress?You dont get it, we are sick of these recycled politicians. Nothing changes accept for more Isis, and less jobs.
He's the conservative party's nominee, it's best to start coming to grips with that fact. That scary, insane fact.bueno said:Which conservatives are those? The Donald represents a rebellion against the status quo, nothing more.
No - you aren't paying attention. I have considered Hillary a gimme for the Republicans for years. A bonafide POS.Is "Nobody" what you use to convince yourself you're not supporting a POS?
Were you interviewed by the Benghazi commission? If not, do you have any idea why not?I had to withhold my thoughts publicly on this issue. I was part of the response team. Not a ground force guy, but I was a key player in the response TOC. AMA, I'll reply as I can.
I was not. My workstation/PC was taken and all chats during the night were made available to the committee.Were you interviewed by the Benghazi commission? If not, do you have any idea why not?
Then presumably everything on your workstation was analyzed by the commission and taken into account prior to their final conclusions.I was not. My workstation/PC was taken and all chats during the night were made available to the committee.
yes and no. We were given warning of riots before 9/11 and had an increased awareness. We are pushed an "increased awareness" so often that at times it will fall on deft ears. Based on emails released to the public I believe that the department of state should have done a lot more for the ambassador. From my commander's interaction with the Ambassador, he was a man of the people. He jogged ever single day alone outside of the watch of US personnel.Do you hold Hillary Clinton or any other high level politicians responsible for what happened? Are you upset with Hillary or any of them for their comments after the fact?
9/11—Public Statements
Secretary Clinton’s 10:08 p.m. Statement on the Attack in Benghazi:
“I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. * * * Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet.”
Secretary Clinton’s E-mail to daughter at 11:23 p.m.:
“Two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an Al Quedalike [sic] group[.]”
9/12—Public Statements
Secretary Clinton’s Remarks on the Deaths of American Personnel in Benghazi, Libya morning of September 12, 2012:
“We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our Embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet.”
9/12—Private Statements
Summary of Discussion between Acting Assistant Secretary Beth Jones and Libyan Ambassador Aujali at 9:45 a.m.:
“I told him that the group that conducted the attacks—Ansar Al Sharia—is affiliated with Islamic extremists.”
Jacob Sullivan in e-mail to embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan:
“There was not really violence in Egypt [and] “we are not saying that the violence in Libya erupted ‘over inflammatory videos.'”
Secretary Clinton’s Statements to Egyptian Prime Minister Kandil at 3:04 p.m.:
“We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack – not a protest. . . . Based on the information we saw today we believe the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with al Qaeda.”
Under Secretary Patrick Kennedy to congressional staff briefing:
When asked whether “this [was] an attack under the cover of a protest” Kennedy said, “No the attack was a direct breaching attack.” More to the point, he was then asked whether “we believe [this was] coordinated with [the] Cairo [protests] to which Kennedy responded, “Attack in Cairo was a demonstration. There were no weapons shown or used. A few cans of spray paint.”
9/13—Public Statements
Secretary Clinton’s Morocco Remarks:
“I also want to take a moment to address the video circulating on the Internet that has led to these protests in a number of countries. * * *
To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage. But as I said yesterday, there is no justification, none at all, for responding to this video with violence. * * *
Violence, we believe, has no place in religion and is no way to honor religion. Islam, like other religions, respects the fundamental dignity of human beings, and it is a violation of that fundamental dignity to wage attacks on innocents. As long as there are those who are willing to shed blood and take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace. It is especially wrong for violence to be directed against diplomatic missions. . . .
The night of was a madhouse. The Drones are DOD platforms that respond to America's military needs. We had no idea where the CIA "safehouse" was upon arrival to station. This caused a lot of confusion on where to focus the sensor.Then presumably everything on your workstation was analyzed by the commission and taken into account prior to their final conclusions.
Seeing as how partisan the commission was, if there was anything specifically incriminating in there they would have sussed it out.
So is there anything you can add, without getting into trouble of course, that would cast any doubt on the conclusions of the multi-year, multi-million dollar partisan commission?
No.Do you hold Hillary Clinton or any other high level politicians responsible for what happened? Are you upset with Hillary or any of them for their comments after the fact?
we found out the ambassador was killed through facebook. I am anit-Hillary, but that is for other reasons.Do you hold Hillary Clinton or any other high level politicians responsible for what happened? Are you upset with Hillary or any of them for their comments after the fact?