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U2 - Community rankings - FIN - #4 Sunday Bloody Sunday, #3 - One, #2 - Bad, #1 - Where the Streets Have No Name -Spotify links, thanks to Krista4 (1 Viewer)

zoonation said:
But it makes me sad that people just write off everything that came afterwards.  And I think they do it without actually listening to anything but what they hear on the radio.  Which is fair enough, I guess.  

They have written some incredible tunes in that time frame and are incredible musicians.  Whether it is putting on the biggest show (which they always do) or just sit down with a guitar or a keyboard and play acoustic.  They have written songs that can play both ways, which is a testament to their craft.  Here is an acoustic version of Every Breaking Wave that speaks to what I am saying:

EBW - Acoustic

Bono is well into his 50’s here and his voice is just magic.
It no longer bothers me that people don’t like the same things I do and sometimes have a closed mind to eg newer stuff. I initially did shut my mind to Songs of Innocence. Its only this draft that opened my mind back up to listen fairly.

Get on Your Boots can die in a ditch, but the rest of No Line on the Horizon isn’t as bad as I remembered. Still the worst album, but more meh than “I wish U2 stopped making new music”

NLOH and its failure was a big kick in the #### for the band. No longer could they “hang with the kids”, instead they went back, reevaluated and got better at their craft. Bono especially knows how and when to use his instrument

 
Alex P Keaton said:
My daughter told me recently that Crystal Ballroom is one of her favorite.  (which is awesome — I love that song and think with minor tweaks it is a top-50 U2 song)
Thats awesome. When i first saw it so high on Vultures list I was a bit skeptical, After all it wasn’t even on the CD. Worth buying the vinyl for though. I mean I had it at #32. The next highest was #135. You are right, it just doesnt sound finished. I am maybe seeing its potential rather than what is recorded.

 
krista4 said:
Wow!  Had never heard this song and loved it.  Funny you mentioned New Years Day, as it hit me almost immediately how much this sounded like that.  Takes a top-tier classic and refreshes it, in a good way.
Yeah you have to be careful checking out newer U2 stuff. There is some stuff that is average,  but imho the first three albums had plenty of these moments as well as the guys got their training wheels. 

So glad you liked this one though. Its hard to recommend other newer stuff, especially to someone who has such a variety of tastes.  I mean they have several tracks on the last two albums which are heavily influenced by electronic music which i adore, but most U2 fans think theyve lost their mind. 

 
U2 began work on “City of Blinding Lights” during the 1997 Pop sessions, under the song's original working title of “Scott Walker” (Adam described it as an homage to the British musician)
The amount of musicians I love who reference Scott Walker as an influence is incredible. UK artists loved this guy almost as much as Bowie

During the Vertigo Tour, the piano introduction was played by Adam Clayton on a keyboard
I can remember being at the Glasgow gig. Everything seemed fine with the band. Apparently Edge and Bono had a punch up cause Bono was saving the world meeting government leaders in Edinburgh and was late to the gig. Edge, being all about the band was furious. Im pretty sure Bono was doing convincing important people about major debt relief, HIV aid to Africa, saving lives and some damn impressive stuff. Anyway, I noticed Adam was very nervous playing his part.

Charts-peaked at:      UK # 2    US:  #n/a        Canada:  #2   Ire: #8    (#1 in Spain)
Yeah this flummoxed me. I couldnt believe it when All Because of You was released instead. I mean COBL is partially a love letter to New York and a cracking tune. All because of You is just a dime a dozen rocker. They needed something different to Vertigo. 

 
#14 - The Fly (1991)

Highest Rank - 5

Lowest Rank - 49

Where to Find it - Achtung Baby LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -67/218 - Everything on “The Fly” is U2 Mark II: that gigantic industrial guitar loop, the deep bass, the offbeat percussion, and, of course, the Fly himself. The now-infamous retro sunglasses were the key to Bono finding the voice, both lyrically and vocally, giving him a freedom to not be “Bono” and to reach out for a different dynamic and temperament, to not have to be so earnest and heroic, but rather to slip into another persona. “The way I saw ‘The Fly’ was like a crank call from hell … but the guy likes it there,” Bono said. “Look, I gotta go,” the Fly says. “I’m running outta change.”

Comment - Another commercial track. Like Desire, Discoteque and a few others. Sometimes the lead single leaves me cold. Here is another that did initially. I have grown to love a few of them, and while love is the wrong word I can enjoy this one now. I was so pissed off when I heard this I didn’t buy the Achtung Baby album originally. Soon as I heard Even Better Than the Real Thing I was in like Flynn. Now I can enjoy the weirdness that is “The Fly”. It was a brave move for the band to be so adamant about this being the first single. The #5 ranking is matched by 2 in the 40s, including mine

Next up, we say goodbye to another album. Will it be All I want is You from Rattle and Hum, One from Achtung Baby, Gloria from October, Beautiful Day from All that You Can’t Leave Behind or I Will Follow from Boy. 

 
#14 - The Fly (1991)

Highest Rank - 5

Lowest Rank - 49

Where to Find it - Achtung Baby LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -67/218 - Everything on “The Fly” is U2 Mark II: that gigantic industrial guitar loop, the deep bass, the offbeat percussion, and, of course, the Fly himself. The now-infamous retro sunglasses were the key to Bono finding the voice, both lyrically and vocally, giving him a freedom to not be “Bono” and to reach out for a different dynamic and temperament, to not have to be so earnest and heroic, but rather to slip into another persona. “The way I saw ‘The Fly’ was like a crank call from hell … but the guy likes it there,” Bono said. “Look, I gotta go,” the Fly says. “I’m running outta change.”

Comment - Another commercial track. Like Desire, Discoteque and a few others. Sometimes the lead single leaves me cold. Here is another that did initially. I have grown to love a few of them, and while love is the wrong word I can enjoy this one now. I was so pissed off when I heard this I didn’t buy the Achtung Baby album originally. Soon as I heard Even Better Than the Real Thing I was in like Flynn. Now I can enjoy the weirdness that is “The Fly”. It was a brave move for the band to be so adamant about this being the first single. The #5 ranking is matched by 2 in the 40s, including mine

Next up, we say goodbye to another album. Will it be All I want is You from Rattle and Hum, One from Achtung Baby, Gloria from October, Beautiful Day from All that You Can’t Leave Behind or I Will Follow from Boy. 
I was definitely not into “industrial” in 1991 but this got my attention. The sinewy guitar sounds blew my mind and Bono makes great use of his falsetto. 

Many mainstream rock acts copied the sound of this and other AB tracks for the next 5 years or so. When my friend and I would hear that, we’d say “this song is Achtunged.”

 
#14 - The Fly (1991)

Highest Rank - 5

Lowest Rank - 49

Where to Find it - Achtung Baby LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -67/218 - Everything on “The Fly” is U2 Mark II: that gigantic industrial guitar loop, the deep bass, the offbeat percussion, and, of course, the Fly himself. The now-infamous retro sunglasses were the key to Bono finding the voice, both lyrically and vocally, giving him a freedom to not be “Bono” and to reach out for a different dynamic and temperament, to not have to be so earnest and heroic, but rather to slip into another persona. “The way I saw ‘The Fly’ was like a crank call from hell … but the guy likes it there,” Bono said. “Look, I gotta go,” the Fly says. “I’m running outta change.”

Comment - Another commercial track. Like Desire, Discoteque and a few others. Sometimes the lead single leaves me cold. Here is another that did initially. I have grown to love a few of them, and while love is the wrong word I can enjoy this one now. I was so pissed off when I heard this I didn’t buy the Achtung Baby album originally. Soon as I heard Even Better Than the Real Thing I was in like Flynn. Now I can enjoy the weirdness that is “The Fly”. It was a brave move for the band to be so adamant about this being the first single. The #5 ranking is matched by 2 in the 40s, including mine

Next up, we say goodbye to another album. Will it be All I want is You from Rattle and Hum, One from Achtung Baby, Gloria from October, Beautiful Day from All that You Can’t Leave Behind or I Will Follow from Boy. 
Big fan.  It could be in my top-10 any given day.  But basically that’s where we are at this point in the rankings.

It's no secret that a conscience can sometimes be a pest
It's no secret ambition bites the nails of success
Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief
All kill their inspiration and sing about the grief

I’ve spent way too much time thinking about these lyrics

 
I find it astounding that Achtung Baby had 7 tracks left with 24 to go. With 13 left it has One. Literally
Partly a reflection of how strong the overall album is.  Partly a sign that the razor thin difference in many of these tracks…..is just whatever personally grabs you.   AB has the lowest variance of song quality…..of all the albums IMO.  TJT has a few songs that are 🤢🤢 to me.  AB doesn’t have any I even dislike a little.  Just degrees of good.  I mean, Zoo Station went off the board awhile ago.  And I really like the song.   “I’m ready…..ready for the gridlock……”.  Anyway.  Just sleep deprived and rambling now.

 
I remember The Fly very well. At one point, I had a 10 year run of being a DJ for HS and college radio. The Fly came out after I had graduated but I still did a couple of college radio shows and filled in on others. I remember being on air when The Fly promo CD walked into the station.

I vividly remember the anticipation. In case anyone forgot, I had a man crush on Rattle and Hum, so I had huge hopes, dreams, and aspirations for "the new U2" single. I don't remember what I was playing at the time, but I immediately ditched it and threw it on the airwaves for all to hear. Oddly enough, we got a copy before the other bigger, mainstream stations.

I remember talking it up, the first time anyone had heard it, playing it sight unseen / unheard, here it is . . . the new single from U2 called The Fly. I got FLOODED with phone calls. Literally the phone never stopped ringing the rest of the show. People outright HATED it. We're talking requests to break the CD in half because it repulsed people.

I was more neutral. It certainly didn't wow me. I had hoped for something different, something more. But the more I listened to it, the more I liked it. In my circle and with my listeners, it continued to get negative feedback. AB would eventually win people over, but out of the gate it didn't make many friends.

I was highest at 5. Is it actually a Top 5 U2 song? Probably not. But I love the interplay of the guitar and drum intro, and the crunching guitar and more industrial vibe makes it a song I can listen to over and over.

 
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Sorry to backtrack, but I've missed a lot in this thread. When I saw The Fly (which I like) in the title, I was curious if this song had been posted yet. I've always liked this song musically and lyrically. Sometimes just hearing an intro, I know I'm gonna like a song, and this is one of them.  I would have given it a better ranking than #37, but I do love the #37, so at least it got an awesome number attached to it.

 
The Fly is my probably my favorite song on Achtung Baby.  The guitar is incredible and the driving pulse of the song just makes me turn it up every time I hear it.  Another great example of how underrated the U2 rhythm section is.  Will never forget the first time I heard it.  Like lunchbox, didn't love it (or the whole album really).  Like most U2 albums, it takes a few listens to really work out everything that is going on.  In the end, the fly is the announcement of a magnificent reinvention and the first step into my favorite U2 era, the 90's. 

 
Partly a reflection of how strong the overall album is.  Partly a sign that the razor thin difference in many of these tracks…..is just whatever personally grabs you.   AB has the lowest variance of song quality…..of all the albums IMO.  TJT has a few songs that are 🤢🤢 to me.  AB doesn’t have any I even dislike a little.  Just degrees of good.  I mean, Zoo Station went off the board awhile ago.  And I really like the song.   “I’m ready…..ready for the gridlock……”.  Anyway.  Just sleep deprived and rambling now.
Huge Zoo Station fan here as well. Underrated, IMO.

 
Charts-peaked at:      UK # 2    US:  #n/a        Canada:  #2   Ire: #8    (#1 in Spain)
Yeah this flummoxed me. I couldnt believe it when All Because of You was released instead. I mean COBL is partially a love letter to NY & a cracking tune. All because of You is just a dime a dozen rocker. They needed something diff to Vertigo.
Great point about COBL IS ABOUT NEW YORK and you don't commercially release it in the US?
.....one that i didn't even think about

With that said, we have seen several times U2 has suffered from a poor release strategy on some of their albums.  I'm not sure if it's due to the band being "married" to certain songs & they push those to be the singles because they work on for months and months
OR............if it's a Record Company Mgmt issue.

TUF album........where the song The Unforgettable Fire wasn't really commercially released in the US

The Joshua Tree...........where Red Hill Mining Town was supposed to be released but wasn't (it was finally released in 2017 as part of the JT Anniv remasters)

Singles from All That You Can't Leave Behind
1-"Beautiful Day"                                                   Released: 9 October 2000
2-"Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of"    Released: 29 January 2001
3-"Elevation"                                                           Released: 25 June 2001
4- "Walk On"                                                           Released: 19 November 2001
KITE....was not released

Singles from How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb
1-"Vertigo"                                                                  Released: 8 November 2004
2-"Sometimes You Can't Make It on Your Own"  Released: 7 February 2005
3-"All Because of You"                                             Released: 8 February 2005
4-"City of Blinding Lights"                                       Released: 6 June 2005  (but not in the US)
"Original of the Species" was not released

Singles from No Line on the Horizon
1-"Get On Your Boots"                                       Released: 16 February 2009     as mentioned this is head scratcher
2-"Magnificent"                                                   Released: 4 May 2009
3-"I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight"    Released: 7 September 2009  (not in the US...i think i wrote about it)

Singles from Songs of Innocence
1-"The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)"   Released: 15 September 2014      I feel like the band pushed for this (mistake)
2-"Every Breaking Wave"                    Released: 9 December 2014
3-"Song for Someone"                        Released: 11 May 2015
Not released:   "Iris (Hold Me Close)"

Singles from Songs of Experience
1-"You're the Best Thing About Me"               Released: 6 September 2017
2-"Get Out of Your Own Way"                           Released: 16 January 2018
3-"Love Is Bigger Than Anything in Its Way"  Released: 23 April 2018
4-"Summer of Love"                                           Released: 10 August 2018
Not released:  "The Little Things That Give You Away"

 
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Username checks out. 
Saw zoo tv when I was 16.  Had just got my license and my mom let me take her car to drive from Calgary to Vancouver (over the Rockies) with my girlfriend at the time to see the show.  Imagine parents doing that now, lol.  Had to stay in some shoot up and sleep under the Granville bridge because I didn't have a credit card and had to pay cash.  Might have been the only "guest" who booked a room for the whole night. 

Was my third ever concert and it literally changed my life.  Still the best show I have ever seen.

 
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#14 - The Fly (1991)   Highest- 5    Lowest- 49        Achtung Baby
V-67/218 - gigantic industrial guitar loop, the deep bass, the offbeat percussion, &, of course, the Fly himself. Retro sunglasses were the key to Bono finding the voice, both lyrically & vocally, giving him a freedom to not be “Bono” & to reach out for a different dynamic & temperament, to not have to be so earnest & heroic, but rather to slip into another persona. “The way I saw ‘The Fly’ was like a crank call from hell … but the guy likes it there,” Bono said. “Look, I gotta go,” the Fly says. “I’m running outta change.”


Comment - Another commercial track. Like Desire, Discoteque & a few others. Sometimes the lead single leaves me cold. Here is another that did initially. I have grown to love a few of them, & while love is the wrong word I can enjoy this 1 now. I was so pissed off when I heard this I didn’t buy the AB album originally. Soon as I heard EBTTRT I was in like Flynn. Now I can enjoy the weirdness that is “The Fly”. It was a brave move for the band to be so adamant about this being the 1st single. The #5 ranking is matched by 2 in the 40s, including mine
Songfact:  
"The Fly" single release advanced the AB album by about a month, & let's just say Americans didn't seem thrilled w U2's change in musical direction. Famously described by Bono as “the sound of 4 men chopping down The Joshua Tree”, this is where we 1st meet Bono's new leather-clad, wraparound-sunglass-wearing persona called The Fly.  During the recording sessions, Fintan Fitzgerald, in charge of the band's wardrobe, found a 1970s pair of wraparound blaxploitation sunglasses.  Bono would put them on & make everyone laugh whenever they faced a problem or disagreement.  The Fly encouraged the singer to invent a new ‘persona’ to deliver the song’s pithy aphorisms, his voice ranging from a menacing breathy telephone-EQ’d whisper to a soaring gospel falsetto.

This song was inspired by the work of Jenny Holzer, an artist who displays short, provocative statements using various media, which can be anything from T-shirts to projections on buildings. Here are some examples:
               "I repeat, for the sake of a last, simple sweetness: the sun goes around the Earth, yes"
               "Abuse of power comes as no surprise"
After U2's wardrobe assistant Fintan Fitzgerald bought Bono a book of Holzer's statements, Bono started writing his own to form the basis of this song:
              "A liar won't believe anybody else"
              "A friend is someone who lets you down"
Since these statements didn't reflect Bono's true beliefs, he created a character to say them all, which is how The Fly was born.

Bono notes: "The fly on the wall is a really insignificant image outside of voyeurism. 'A man will rise, a man will fall, on the sheer face of love like a fly from a wall.' It's saying: 'Scale this rock face at your peril. Lots have tried before you & have been left on the fly paper.' And the 'Shine like a burning star' part I sang in the Fat Lady voice, which is really a kind of Jaggeresque, campy falsetto."

But bug-eyed sunglasses or not, even The Fly's contribution to the track is decisively upstaged by the abrasive 6-string soundscape that spikes the song w regular jolts of electrifying energy w Edge buzzing around like the title character, twisting his guitar to the breaking point.

The guitar tone used is an unholy fusion of flange, wah, delay & dirt, & as producer Daniel Lanois has confirmed that many of AB’s guitar parts were created using 1 of the 2 Korg A3 processors Edge brought to the sessions, it’s safe to assume the unit is involved somewhere in the signal chain. Live, Edge has varied the guitars he’s used to play it over the yrs. Add'l guitar sounds were added on top of the original mix, on the fly as it were, to create the phasing artefacts in the song’s intro.

Yet it’s the track’s solo section where Edge really outdoes himself, using the springboard of a complete cycle of the song’s verse-to-chorus section to create a series of licks that range from whammy-bar swoops to descending & ascending runs that seem to reach their apex before finding new places to go. The ultimate example of Edge creatively rinsing his guitar effects for every drop of emotional content, The Fly is his crowning 6-string moment.

U2 chose this as the 1st single off AB because of its innovative sound. The band felt that since they were in a position to experiment, they should. This helped them reestablish credibility as an "alternative" group.   Stateside listeners who liked their U2 more jangly & sincere stayed away in droves. The song shot to #1 in the U.K. but could get no further than #61 on the US Billboard chart.

Adam Clayton mentioned: "at that time, it was impossible to know whether U2 fans would follow Bono down this particular path, so [the song] was a real leap of faith. The whole track is a high-energy sonic barrage but w an angelic chorus. It's a classic example of U2 & Eno interfacing."

The Fly became a character Bono used on the group's Zoo TV tour. Wearing huge sunglasses & black leather, it was a parody of an egomaniacal rock star. To match the character's dark fashion, Bono dyed his naturally brown hair black.  Behind Bono, huge monitors flashed random words like "Sex," "Panic," "Death," etc. Bono attended some press conferences in the character of The Fly, complete w giant shades. He appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone as The Fly in their issue dated March 4, 1993.

The song is a look at fame & excess, a topic that intrigued Bono as he embraced his celebrity but was aware of its downside. Bono said: "It was written like a phone call from Hell, but the guy liked it there. People thought we were just mocking rock'n'roll stardom & all that, but actually I was just owning up to it."P.M. Dawn sampled this on their song "Fly Me To The Moon." 

Did you know?
When David Bowie visited the band after they’d finished The Fly, he told them they should re-record it.  :eek:


Recording:  This evolved out of the recording sessions for "Ultraviolet (Light My Way)."  "One day, [engineer] Flood had a different look in his eye. We recorded 'The Fly' w Edge's guitar sound literally like a fly had broken into your brain & was buzzing around."
The vocals are heavily processed, adding to the feel that it was not really Bono singing, but a character he was performing.

Release:  "Alex Descends Into Hell For A Bottle Of Milk/Korova 1" was the b-side to the 1991 single, The Fly

Charts-peaked at:  UK # 1    US:  #61 (#1 Alt)       Canada:  #16    #1 in IRE & AUS
"The Fly" became successful among alternative rock audiences, though it struggled to find airtime on pop radio.

In the UK, the song entered the Top75 'straight-in' at #1 in late Oct 1991 & became the band's 2nd #1 there....knocking Bryan Adams' "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)" from the #1 spot, after a consecutive run of 16 wks at the top spot.  But it quickly slid down the chart, as the band's label had intended for the single to be available for a 3-week period only & were keen to release 2 singles (the follow-up being "Mysterious Ways") before Christmas.

It debuted at #1in Australia, preventing "I'm Too Sexy" by Right Said Fred from reaching #1 for a week.

Video:   The video was filmed in both Dublin & London in Sept 1991, w footage of the band in-studio performing the song, intercut with scenes of Bono walking around the streets as The Fly.  A bank of televisions w the early icons of The Zoo TV Tour, are "flashing words” in the background.

Live Versions / Remixes:
Bono during the 2005 Vertigo Tour: "It took us 15 yrs to really get it right live," 

'Baby' The Fly - early demo version
The Lounge Fly Mix (Remastered 2021)  appeared as a B-side on the single. Features different lyrics /more dance-orientated

ZOO TV Tour in Sydney - 1993-11-27
The Fly (Elevation Tour June 6, 2001) - Boston  Check this 1 out w the different lead in (New verse & diff guitar riff).
Also at 5:45, Bono stage dives into the crowd (haven't seen that)
Glastonbury Festival, Pilton, England, June 24th 2011  
Live - Berlin, Germany, I+E Tour - Nov 13, 2018

In 2011, Gavin Friday reworked the song for the tribute album AHK-toong BAY-bi Covered. "Edge rang me up & said, 'Nobody wants to do The Fly – they're all afraid of it."   I think it's because it has its own essence, sonically. 

When Rolling Stone ranked their Top50 U2 songs:  n/a

Been played live349 times…........only ~15x times on the 360 tour.  Not played on the 2017/2019 JT Anniv tours
At the time after the Elevation tour of 2001, Edge stated that "The song hasn't stood the test of time."

 
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The Fly Lyrics:                                                               Alternate lyrics
Oh, baby child
It's no secret that the stars are falling from the sky
It's no secret that our world is in darkness tonight   It’s no secret that I left you, & still I don’t know why
They say the sun is sometimes eclipsed by a moon
You know I don't see you when she walks in the room You know I’d come back baby, If you’d give me some room
It's no secret that a friend is someone who lets you help
It's no secret that a liar won't believe anyone else
They say a secret is something you tell one other person

So I'm telling you, child                                                        What do you think…child?

Love, we shine like a burning star                                   Love, Shine like a fading sky
We're falling from the sky tonight                                   She holds the moon and sky 
A man will beg
A man will crawl
On the sheer face of love                                                 But it’s never too late
Like a fly on a wall                                                             To take his call 
It's no secret at all

It's no secret that a conscience can sometimes be a pest
It's no secret ambition...bites the nails of success
Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief
All kill their inspiration & sing about their grief   
And everyone’s included ‘cause everyone needs relief, yeah

Oh love
Love, we shine like a burning star                            Love, Live like a shouting star
We're falling from the sky tonight                            She calls the sun the moon 
A man will rise
A man will fall
From the sheer face of love
Like a fly from a wall
It's no secret at all

Love, we shine like a burning star
We're falling from the sky tonight
Love, we shine like a burning star
We're falling from the sky tonight
A man will rise
A man will fall
From the sheer face of love
Like a fly from a wall
It's no secret at all

It's no secret that the stars are falling from the sky
The universe exploded 'cause of one man's lie
Look, I gotta go, yeah I'm running outta change
There's a lot of things, if I could I'd rearrange


 
“The Fly” was released a few weeks in advance of the album, & was the 1st taste of the new album. In Finland, to make sure that radio stations didn’t break the date embargo on playing the new album, the album was shipped in a canister used for film typically, & it was locked with a combination lock. The record company contacted stations the day of release to let them know the combination that unlocked the lock.

 
Lawsuit:    Did U2’s Bono & Edge Copy Their Song The Fly From Another Artist?

A quarter of a century after The Fly was released, British singer-songwriter Paul Rose filed a copyright lawsuit in a Manhattan federal court claiming that U2 used elements (13 seconds) from his song "Nae Slappin" for "The Fly."

In 2017, Rose alleged in his suit that the band must heard his demo tape after they signed to Island Records in 1989 as it was "played & repeatedly listened to in the Island Records office", w U2 "often in the Island Records offices." Rose also claims that the renowned guitarist Edge changed his approach to guitar playing after hearing Rose’s work.

Rose sought in his suit $5 million (£4 million) in damages & a songwriting credit.

In U2's motion to dismiss, the band argued that Rose’s “Nae Slappin is essentially an extended guitar solo consisting mostly of multiple guitar tracks, w percussion accompaniment.”  “There are no vocals, no lyrics, no subject, & no theme.”  It is experimental & acts as a vehicle for Mr. Rose to showcase his guitar skills.  In stark contrast, U2’s The Fly is a “‘song’ in the true sense of the word, w everything that comes w it:  vocals, lyrics, a subject & a theme.”  

The standard for determining copyright infringement is whether the “total concept & overall feel” are the same.  U2 alleges that the 2 works: The Fly & Nae Slappin do not meet this standard. Rose also asserted a claim about the “percussion” or a “beat” that the band claims is inappropriate.   Relying on previous case law, U2 asserted that the beats alone “are too common of a musical technique to be protectable.”  Further, U2 counter complaint is that there cannot be protectable expression in a “chord change” from “E7 to A7.” 

U2 also argued that Rose waited too long to bring a lawsuit as he waited 25 years.

Nae Slappin' (Paul Rose) vs The Fly (U2) <---Listen to the comparison

In January 2018, a U.S. District Judge tossed out the lawsuit reasoning "The Fly" is not an infringing work.

 
Sorry to backtrack, but I've missed a lot in this thread. When I saw The Fly (which I like) in the title, I was curious if this song had been posted yet. I've always liked this song musically and lyrically. Sometimes just hearing an intro, I know I'm gonna like a song, and this is one of them.  I would have given it a better ranking than #37, but I do love the #37, so at least it got an awesome number attached to it.
Backtrack all you like. Thats part of the fun.

Im just waiting for someone to backtrack to Landlady and tell me it deserves to be ranked top #10. I might be waiting awhile.

As for UTEOTW, yeah its great. Just on a great album it may have got shuffled down.

im frightened to ask why #37 is soooo good.

 
#13 - Gloria (1981)

Highest Rank - 10

Lowest Rank - 37

Where to Find it - October LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -11/218 - Never have so few taken on so many at one time. Here, U2 decide to shadowbox with Catholicism, Van Morrison, and Patti Smith, not minor influences on the four musicians by any means. You don’t name your song “Gloria” unless you fervently believe you have something else to add to this particular subject area. You don’t write a song named “Gloria” unless you have an innate sense of the power of your band. You don’t write a song named “Gloria” unless you think it can stand next to the other ones you’re borrowing a cup of sugar from. U2 answers in the affirmative to all of the above, crowned by a sing-along chorus at the end that is holy and ethereal. The Edge told Bill Flanagan, “‘Gloria’ is really a lyric about not being able to express what’s going on.” Maybe they didn’t know when they were putting the track together, but live? They wrote it to be a gosh darn anthem, and they pull every bit of power they can out of this one.

Comment - Stand out track on October, but comes to life on Under a Blood Red Sky. Has such a Driving Beat. Much to my surprise I am the only one to rank this in their top 20, with me being the top ranker. The other 3 rankings range from 21 to 37. 

Next up, we say goodbye to yet another album. Will it be All I want is You from Rattle and Hum, One from Achtung Baby, Beautiful Day from All that You Can’t Leave Behind or I Will Follow from Boy. 

 
#13 - Gloria (1981)

Highest Rank - 10

Lowest Rank - 37

Where to Find it - October LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -11/218 - Never have so few taken on so many at one time. Here, U2 decide to shadowbox with Catholicism, Van Morrison, and Patti Smith, not minor influences on the four musicians by any means. You don’t name your song “Gloria” unless you fervently believe you have something else to add to this particular subject area. You don’t write a song named “Gloria” unless you have an innate sense of the power of your band. You don’t write a song named “Gloria” unless you think it can stand next to the other ones you’re borrowing a cup of sugar from. U2 answers in the affirmative to all of the above, crowned by a sing-along chorus at the end that is holy and ethereal. The Edge told Bill Flanagan, “‘Gloria’ is really a lyric about not being able to express what’s going on.” Maybe they didn’t know when they were putting the track together, but live? They wrote it to be a gosh darn anthem, and they pull every bit of power they can out of this one.

Comment - Stand out track on October, but comes to life on Under a Blood Red Sky. Has such a Driving Beat. Much to my surprise I am the only one to rank this in their top 20, with me being the top ranker. The other 3 rankings range from 21 to 37. 

Next up, we say goodbye to yet another album. Will it be All I want is You from Rattle and Hum, One from Achtung Baby, Beautiful Day from All that You Can’t Leave Behind or I Will Follow from Boy. 
This was the first U2 song I ever heard. I saw the video on MTV as a tween. I don’t know that I loved it right away, but I knew it was different. Right off the bat, they had a vibrant sound and a singer with extreme charisma. With each appearance on MTV, I got more fascinated. 

Today it is still in my top 25. It’s a rock and roll hymn.

 
Gloria - UABRS Live Red Rocks 1983    For me, I think the UABRS live album was the gateway that expanded my curiosity to listen to some of their other songs and go back thru their previous catalog.

Inside the song Gloria on the UABRS album & when its played live in concert, and for as far back as I remember, Bono would introduce some of the band members. "Hey this is Red Rocks..........Adam Clayton..........This is The Edge!"

2 thoughts:

  1. How did Larry Mullen get the shaft?    :P
  2. I don't know whether this was a calculated move or not by Bono or the band............but I CONTEND that this exponentially helped fans get to know U2 as individual names in the band and made them somewhat of a household name.   Of course, they still had to put out great music & maybe this would have happened anyways.    Maybe it's an "age thing".......maybe it's an "80's album w photos & liner notes to read".............but I can't tell you the names of Coldplay except for Chris Martin.
Would like to hear others thoughts on this.  

 
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U2 have always been presented to and by the media as a band, and all four members have been prominently mentioned in the media throughout their history. None of that is true for Coldplay.

 
U2 have always been presented to and by the media as a band, and all four members have been prominently mentioned in the media throughout their history. None of that is true for Coldplay.
I don’t want to insult any Coldplay fans, but how they have sold 100 million albums is one of life’s great mysteries to me. Their first 4 albums accounted for half of that. U2 is estimated to have sold 150-170 million albums, but they’ve been around twice as long. 

 
I don’t want to insult any Coldplay fans, but how they have sold 100 million albums is one of life’s great mysteries to me. Their first 4 albums accounted for half of that. U2 is estimated to have sold 150-170 million albums, but they’ve been around twice as long. 


I'll take a stab. Women. They got so popular with women that Chris Martin did a guest appearance on Modern Family and had fans as a natural byproduct of having married (?) Gwyneth Paltrow.

U2, while they certainly appeal to women, probably did not have the same demographic ins that Martin did. Coldplay is an entirely different band. There's really not much rock to them, if at all. 

 
I'll take a stab. Women. They got so popular with women that Chris Martin did a guest appearance on Modern Family and had fans as a natural byproduct of having married (?) Gwyneth Paltrow.

U2, while they certainly appeal to women, probably did not have the same demographic ins that Martin did. Coldplay is an entirely different band. There's really not much rock to them, if at all. 


Don't blame this #### on us!  :lmao:   

(I'm not saying you're incorrect; I have no idea.)

"Gloria," by the way, is a banger and fantastic song.  

 
Don't blame this #### on us!  :lmao:   

(I'm not saying you're incorrect; I have no idea.)

"Gloria," by the way, is a banger and fantastic song.  
Damn. :lmao:  

I swear I thought while I was typing, "How do I phrase this so krista isn't pissed at me..." lol. I say that with genuine laughter. I seriously thought about the Modern Family/demographic comment and wondered how it would sound to my niece. She almost got upset (not in a "you're being sexist way" but just incredulous. Well, maybe in a "you're being sexist way.") when I pointed out that I thought that the main audience for SNL these days was women. 

I was just sayin'.

I mean it was her, my Mom, and my sister-in-law sitting around discussing who Colin Jost was dating. The men at the table were all dead silent. I thought that said it all about the show's demographics. 

And I have no proof that either Coldplay, Modern Family, or SNL target women on the whole. It's a suspicion I have. 

 
. "Hey this is Red Rocks..........Adam Clayton..........This is The Edge!"

2 thoughts:

  1. How did Larry Mullen get the shaft?    :P
Sometimes I am a bit slow on the uptake. Even though it was called Live at Red Rocks, I thought this was the nickname of Adam Clayton. You know they all had funny nicknames eg Bono, Edge, Red Rocks etc. 

i then too wondered ok, now Adam Clayton is Red Rocks, what is Larry Mullens nickname? 

Then a few days later :bag:  the penny dropped that the venue was Red Rocks and Adam Clayton was just Adam Clayton

 
#15 - City of Blinding Lights (2004)

Highest Rank - 5

Lowest Rank - 82

Where to Find it - How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -20/218 - It’s U2’s best New York song, capturing their love of the city and the mythology of it. It’s one of those songs with dozens of layers of meaning, and one of the particular ones that transformed once it was in front of U2 fans — specifically New Yorker U2 fans. “Oh, you look so beautiful tonight,” is the kind of line that only Bono can get away with singing to 20,000 people and sincerely meaning from the bottom of his heart. It is about the love of a big city, and about how you can both lose and find yourself there. “Time won’t leave me as I am / But time won’t take the boy out of this man,” Bono sings. The opening chords feel like walking through New York when the snow has just started to fall. It is a moment full of optimism and hope.

Comment - My favourite U2 track of this century and I have it top 5 overall. Everything they do well is here on this track. This is ranked 20 higher than the next track of the last 20 years. Some achievement. We really are getting to the major tracks now. The #82 ranking drops this significantly. If it were at 26, this finishes 6th. Even a 54 gets it to 10th. Has shades of New Years Day in the Piano work. 

Next up, Second last track from Achtung Baby hits as this album has been decimated over the last 11 tracks from 7 down to one after tomorrow. 
For me, HTDAAB is such a sleeper album in that it doesn't have any truly great songs, but everything on it is good or very good. 

 
#13 - Gloria (1981)    Highest- 10     Lowest- 37       October
V-11/218 - Catholicism, Van Morrison, & Patti Smith, not minor influences on the 4 musicians by any means. crowned by a sing-along chorus at the end that is holy & ethereal. Edge: “‘Gloria’ is really a lyric about not being able to express what’s going on.” Wrote it to be a gosh darn anthem, & they pull every bit of power they can out of this 1.

Comment - Stand out track on October, comes to life on UABRS. a Driving Beat. 
Songfact:   The greatest rock anthem ever sung in Latin? Ecce Bono!
On “Gloria,” Bono wails about teen religious fervor (“Gloria in te domine“), w a nod to Patti Smith’s 1975 reinvention of Van Morrison’s Sixties classic, while Edge plays psychedelic slide. The idea to sing in Latin came after listening to an album of Gregorian chants owned by manager Paul McGuinness. 

Gloria's lyrics feature 3 distinct references to passages from The Bible.
The title is Latin for "Glory," & the Latin refrain of "In Te Domine" means "In You Lord."
Glory, exalt [him]" w "exalt" in the imperative mood, a reference to Psalm 30:2 (in te Domine, speravi).
The song also contains references to Colossians 2:9-10 ("Only in You I'm complete") & James 5:7-9 ("The door is open / You're standing there").

Like all but the most scholarly among us, Bono is not fluent in Latin. He did know some Latin words - mostly because of church - & w tape rolling, he sang what came to him. The challenge then was to translate what he had sung, so he left the studio to find a Latin dictionary but found something better: a friend who had studied the language & could translate for him.

Adam Clayton played a bass solo on this track, something he rarely did.

Release:  "Gloria" was modestly successful throughout Europe but in America was mostly constrained to college radio stations & didn't chart. Most listeners heard it for the 1st time on the Under A Blood Red Sky live album, which was released in 1983 after U2's 3rd album, War, took off. "Gloria" was the only track from October included on the album, & along w "Party Girl," 1 of 2 songs on the tracklist recorded June 5, 1983 at the Red Rocks amphitheater in Colorado.

The B-side of “Gloria” was a live version of “I Will Follow” recorded in Boston, MA on March 6, 1981.

Charts-peaked at:  UK #  55   US:  #        Canada:  #      Ireland: #10

Video:    In the early days of MTV, “Gloria” was the 1981 video hit that put U2 on the map for American kids where the band, the startlingly young lads jam on a barge in Dublin’s Grand Canal for a crowd of scruffy locals.  It was the 2nd from U2 (following "I Will Follow") & their first in the MTV era. Directed by Meiert Avis, it shows the band performing the song in Dublin in the same place the October album cover was shot (not far from Windmill Lane Studio, where they record). It was the 1st U2 video shot outdoors, something they did on many others over the next few yrs because they liked the lighting.

When Rolling Stone ranked their Top50 U2 songs:  18

Been played live  410 times….   U2 played this at concerts throughout the '80s, then brought it back in 2005 for their Vertigo tour.   It was NOT played at all during 90's…..and was not played during 2017 JT tour

 
Gloria, obviously one of their biggest songs, probably would have been their biggest song. But they were amazing so it ended up right around here. Incredible tune on so many levels. To me, it showed at the time that U2 were something different than all the other new wave-ish/punky style bands at the time. They were more. And that turned out to be the case, in spades. But Gloria, that was the catalyst. Man, that guy can sing. 

 
Also, Gloria live, of course. The studio track is great, but like so many U2 songs, live is where it's at. Another reason they're such a great band, the live concert experience, especially Joshua Tree and earlier, was a movement. 

 
I need to unload more U2 tidbits:

  • In April 1998, U2 appeared on the 200th episode of The Simpsons, where Homer interrupts their concert to ask the crowd to support him for Sanitation Commissioner. Homer is taken backstage & beaten up. 
    NOTE:   The Simpsons writers wrote the episode before knowing whether members of U2 would actually participate.  The band subsequently revealed that they were big fans of the show.
    Edge declared it "1 of the best things on TV".  "In fact, it's the only thing worth watching on TV at the moment. We've been fans for a long time,".
    Bono: "People like you have reduced us to cartoons before we ever got involved w The Simpsons. I'm here to kiss Homer Simpson's bottom."
Somehow, i found the U2 - Simpson's episode    Link

 
#12 - Beautiful Day (2000)

Highest Rank - 9

Lowest Rank - 40

Where to Find it - All that You Can’t Leave Behind LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -21/218 - It’s tempting and lazy to label this song as “U2 back to form!” when this is a shape they hadn’t previously created, exactly. But it’s also tempting and lazy to dismiss the biggest hit. They wrote an enormous, slick anthem that exploded because people connected to it. It is gigantic, with Edge-ian power chords for miles, Larry hitting the drums with insane authority, a powerful and melodic bass line, and Bono’s voice was back in its rich, all-encompassing warmth. Then there are the little moments: that “Dayyyyyy, dayyyyyy” harmonic surge after the bridge, the staccato guitar notes on the back half of the chorus, that ecstatic “Ooh-ho” from Bono before the “Touch me” line in the chorus, and the way the verses raise the energy to that explosion of excitement. “Beautiful Day” doesn’t have the same quality of complex emotion as their other large anthems; it’s just a bright and optimistic moment, and this is the right band for that job.

Comment - And with that, the oldest song left is One. After a barren period of alleged mediocrity they bounce back with a killer track that was easily their biggest seller of the last 20 odd years. This time we have 2 top 10 rankings and I am highest again. This would have landed at #6 if it weren’t for the two barely top 40 rankings. 

Next up, the Joshua Tree just misses getting four tracks in the top 10. Which one misses the cut? We have the big 3 singles and the fourth track left. The answer may surprise you.

 
John Maddens Lunchbox said:
#12 - Beautiful Day (2000)

Highest Rank - 9

Lowest Rank - 40

Where to Find it - All that You Can’t Leave Behind LP

Vulture.com ranking and comment -21/218 - It’s tempting and lazy to label this song as “U2 back to form!” when this is a shape they hadn’t previously created, exactly. But it’s also tempting and lazy to dismiss the biggest hit. They wrote an enormous, slick anthem that exploded because people connected to it. It is gigantic, with Edge-ian power chords for miles, Larry hitting the drums with insane authority, a powerful and melodic bass line, and Bono’s voice was back in its rich, all-encompassing warmth. Then there are the little moments: that “Dayyyyyy, dayyyyyy” harmonic surge after the bridge, the staccato guitar notes on the back half of the chorus, that ecstatic “Ooh-ho” from Bono before the “Touch me” line in the chorus, and the way the verses raise the energy to that explosion of excitement. “Beautiful Day” doesn’t have the same quality of complex emotion as their other large anthems; it’s just a bright and optimistic moment, and this is the right band for that job.

Comment - And with that, the oldest song left is One. After a barren period of alleged mediocrity they bounce back with a killer track that was easily their biggest seller of the last 20 odd years. This time we have 2 top 10 rankings and I am highest again. This would have landed at #6 if it weren’t for the two barely top 40 rankings. 

Next up, the Joshua Tree just misses getting four tracks in the top 10. Which one misses the cut? We have the big 3 singles and the fourth track left. The answer may surprise you.
It’s a very chalk thing to say but I truly believe this is their best post-Achtung song. I very much got the “U2 is back!” vibes when I first heard it, not because they were reusing their old sound, but because they had stripped away the cluttered sound of their 90s work and returned to what they did best, writing soaring, powerful songs that stuck in your head. 

 
It’s a very chalk thing to say but I truly believe this is their best post-Achtung song. I very much got the “U2 is back!” vibes when I first heard it, not because they were reusing their old sound, but because they had stripped away the cluttered sound of their 90s work and returned to what they did best, writing soaring, powerful songs that stuck in your head. 
It’s a song that lifts my spirit still!!

 
I always figured Beautiful Day was a song the masses and casual fans ate up, but hardcore fans knew wasn't really that great.  Guess not.  Good song, but one of their best ever? Nah.  Not even close, IMO. It wouldn't make my top 50. 

 

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