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U2 - Community rankings - FIN - #4 Sunday Bloody Sunday, #3 - One, #2 - Bad, #1 - Where the Streets Have No Name -Spotify links, thanks to Krista4 (2 Viewers)



I was so close to a bingo on this, having ranked it #90 on my list!  Not much to say about it, just an interesting and enjoyable listen.  That dance mix is fun, too.

Neither of today's other two made my initial cut.  Drowning Man is one of only two songs from War that didn't.  Based on today's comments, I'll give Twilight another try.

 
I was so close to a bingo on this, having ranked it #90 on my list!  Not much to say about it, just an interesting and enjoyable listen.  That dance mix is fun, too.

Neither of today's other two made my initial cut.  Drowning Man is one of only two songs from War that didn't.  Based on today's comments, I'll give Twilight another try.
Though not as musically satisfying, the live version from Red Rocks is fun. 

 
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By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.

 
By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.
I don’t have a strong opinion on the overall question, but for what it’s worth, on this particular song, I prefer the remastered version. 

 
Speaking of Red Rocks, if U2 announced that they were returning to that venue to recreate that 1983 concert, how much would you pay for a ticket? I think I might take a second out on my house. 


Ohhhhhh, that would be incredible.  They should do it for the 40th anniversary.  As to how much I would pay...gah.  

 
By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.
I’d prefer a live version where Bono randomly forgets and changes the lyrics, while in parallel panting and moaning in a self-indulgent manner.   Or to avoid being redundant, any live version. ;)

 
(143) - > #93 - Drowning Man

Vulture.com ranking and comment - 70/218 - It’s not the best song on the record — to be fair, there is a fair amount of competition — but it is both ambitious and fully realized. Every single member of the band turns in a stunning performance, the instrumentation providing both delicate shade and solid counterpoint, the vocals raw and impassioned, and the lyrics grounded in adoration of both spiritual and physical. Extra credit to Steve Wickham’s violin and Edge’s almost Spanish-guitar flourishes toward the end of the song. Ethereal.

Comment - Vocals, music and production arent talking to each other here

Total Points - 254.33

Rankers - 12

Average Points per rank - 21.19 (Approximately a 58th rank). 

Ranks  - 107th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 16

Lowest Rank - 201

Previous Rank - 143 > 93

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - The 16 is a way outlier here, but there are 3 others in the top 50. 5 between 50 and 100. No idea why it jumped 50 spots. Must be the old school War fans.


(113) - > #92 - Twilight

(113) - > #92 - Twilight Remastered 2008

Vulture.com ranking and comment - 97/218 - The road from the B-side of “Another Day,” the first U2 single, to track two on Boy, is astonishing. The single had that kernel of something else that the band themselves probably weren’t aware of, but they were able to hone and polish it from breathless clamor into this tale of darkness and light and the shadows in between. It’s a respite from “I Will Follow,” but not by much, as the last chorus winds up dramatic tension vocally from Bono before he passes it over to Edge for a taut, compact refrain.

Comment - Bonos occasional out of control vocals thankfully would get stomped on by Eno and Lanois, but early on not so much. I think ive said that before.

Total Points - 255.34

Rankers - 12

Average Points per rank - 21.27 (Approximately a 57th rank). 

Ranks  - 105th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 19

Lowest Rank - 231

Previous Rank - 113 > 92

Special Version Requested - (113) - > #92 - Twilight Remastered 2008

Ranking Comments - 3 rankings inside the top 25. No others in the top 50, so 3 people love it. 7 other rankings in the top 100 and me at the rear at 231..i generally like polish on a song. Not this wailing. 
I'm at 55 on Drowning Man and 62 on Twilight. In retrospect, a bit of an album bump going on here with Drowning Man. I'd have no problem flipping these, being truthful with my internal U2 self, I'm a bigger fan of Twilight (or at least today I am  :)  ).

 
A weird day coming up with our next 3. All 3 are moving over 50 from last time. 2 jump over 50 and one that drops from the top 30 last time. If it wasnt for a couple of late higher entries, this one would have fallen out of the top 100. 

One is old, one is new and one is in between. Will one be Another Time Another Place? 


I'm also wondering if one of the big movers up, will be the song JML teased before with this:  "There was a track that finished between 151 and 228 that will rise massively this time. It only has 13 rankings, but 11 of them are between 20 and 63. It was not in the top half of rankings for any of the original 4 rankers."  At the time, I guessed this song to be either Heartland or Mofo.

 
I think the big fall is one of Gone, A Celebration, or Walk On.  You teased this a while ago - "One track that was top 30 last time may struggle to make the top 100 this time" - and after we made some guesses you narrowed it to those three.
Out of these three, I'd wager it's A Celebration. It's interesting because all of our lists obviously have a weight in this, so I'm able to make that guess with some known information (my own list).

 
By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.
I usually pick remastered versions if they sound better and louder.  I picked five songs in my Top 50 that are Live from Red Rocks, and another that is from Wide Awake in America. I don't know if any of those versions were voted on the most for the specific songs I ranked, but whichever version you choose is fine with me.

 
By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.
Sorry I saw your earlier question as well, but I don't do Spotify so I didn't answer. I think it's absolutely awesome that you set that up though!

In general I do prefer remastered versions, for U2 and other (older) bands.  :)

 
I’d prefer a live version where Bono randomly forgets and changes the lyrics, while in parallel panting and moaning in a self-indulgent manner.   Or to avoid being redundant, any live version. ;)
There used to be a live video of The Pretenders where Chrissie Hynde forgot the lyrics to a song (well into the 2000’s). I think it was The Wait (from their first album). She couldn’t remember the words. The band kept playing the same section of the song over and over. She tried again and couldn’t remember. Then she couldn’t stop laughing. Then the band took turns taking solos for her to get composed. Still didn’t help. So the band took turns improvising for awhile. She instructed them to start the song over and still couldn’t remember. After saying eff me, this is embarrassing, someone handed her a phone with the lyrics on the screen. She finally got through the song, the crowd went nuts, and it ended up being a 10+ minute version of a three and a half minute song. I checked, but it’s no longer on YouTube. It was painful to watch, then hilarious, then some really great soloing and musicianship, and after watching it I was like “What did I just watch? That was a train wreck and spectacular at the same time!”

 
There used to be a live video of The Pretenders where Chrissie Hynde forgot the lyrics to a song (well into the 2000’s). I think it was The Wait (from their first album). She couldn’t remember the words. The band kept playing the same section of the song over and over. She tried again and couldn’t remember. Then she couldn’t stop laughing. Then the band took turns taking solos for her to get composed. Still didn’t help. So the band took turns improvising for awhile. She instructed them to start the song over and still couldn’t remember. After saying eff me, this is embarrassing, someone handed her a phone with the lyrics on the screen. She finally got through the song, the crowd went nuts, and it ended up being a 10+ minute version of a three and a half minute song. I checked, but it’s no longer on YouTube. It was painful to watch, then hilarious, then some really great soloing and musicianship, and after watching it I was like “What did I just watch? That was a train wreck and spectacular at the same time!”
That sounds awesome.  I’d love to see/hear that.  Big fan.

 
My first Phish show in 1993, Trey Anastasio forgot the words to Sleeping Monkey and asked the audience how it goes. Hundreds (maybe thousands) of people responded immediately.

 
I'm also wondering if one of the big movers up, will be the song JML teased before with this:  "There was a track that finished between 151 and 228 that will rise massively this time. It only has 13 rankings, but 11 of them are between 20 and 63. It was not in the top half of rankings for any of the original 4 rankers."  At the time, I guessed this song to be either Heartland or Mofo.
Mofo, IMO.

You can't quit Mofo.

 
I'm also wondering if one of the big movers up, will be the song JML teased before with this:  "There was a track that finished between 151 and 228 that will rise massively this time. It only has 13 rankings, but 11 of them are between 20 and 63. It was not in the top half of rankings for any of the original 4 rankers."  At the time, I guessed this song to be either Heartland or Mofo.
By the way, huge fan of intrigue posts like this. Thanks for crunching the numbers.

 
I think the big fall is one of Gone, A Celebration, or Walk On.  You teased this a while ago - "One track that was top 30 last time may struggle to make the top 100 this time" - and after we made some guesses you narrowed it to those three.
All 3 of these tracks fall. One stays in the top 50, the other 2 do not and we see one today

Speaking of Red Rocks, if U2 announced that they were returning to that venue to recreate that 1983 concert, how much would you pay for a ticket? I think I might take a second out on my house. 
Id much rather see U2 for the Achtung Baby and Joshua Tree set. Raw youth, ambition and excitement has its element, but 11 oclock tick tock, party girl are in the set list among ones that didnt make the cut for the album. If you love the first 3 albums more than any other then yeah it would be great. Maybe there is a u2 setlist website somehwere and we can run through which concert has the best set list. Knowing u2 and their fans, odds are there is at least an audio of it if not video. 

By the way, the only version on Spotify is the 2008 Remastered one.  That leads me to a question for the group collectively to ignore:  when choosing among versions for the playlists, would you rather that I use a non-remastered version or a remastered one?  I'd actually been using remastereds where available, but someone requesting a remastered as a "special" version makes me wonder if I shouldn't have.
I would use original, unless the remaster has been requested. Although....cant miss the opportunity for a Lillywhite kick, the remasters of the first 3 albums probably sound better

I'm also wondering if one of the big movers up, will be the song JML teased before with this:  "There was a track that finished between 151 and 228 that will rise massively this time. It only has 13 rankings, but 11 of them are between 20 and 63. It was not in the top half of rankings for any of the original 4 rankers."  At the time, I guessed this song to be either Heartland or Mofo.
There are 3 songs ranked between 151 and 228 last time that we have yet to see. Only one of them has 13 rankers, the other 2 have 12 and the two we see today go close ie in the 140s last time. When we see one between 151 and 228, we will see another on the same group. 

Out of these three, I'd wager it's A Celebration. It's interesting because all of our lists obviously have a weight in this, so I'm able to make that guess with some known information (my own list).
Congrats, you win. Coming up soon.

Mofo, IMO.

You can't quit Mofo.
That is one of the 3 still to come from over 150 last time

 
(145) - > #90 - The Little Things that Give You Away

Vulture.com ranking and comment - Not Listed

Original Comment - This just doesnt work. Trying to fill an album isnt always easy. This is the 8th track from the album we have seen. We only see one more before we reach #106. Two are in the top 50. The highest rank of #26 is the highest we have seen to date...until the very next song on the list. I have 3 of my top 50 listed already, another ranker has two, one only has one and one ranker has only had their 61st rank touched. 

Total Points - 261.90

Rankers - 9

Average Points per rank - 29.04 (Approximately a 68th rank). 

Ranks  - 46th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 8

Lowest Rank - 172

Previous Rank - 145 > 90

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - Have to admit I was wrong about this one as well. Its really grown on me and I moved it all the way up to 32. There are 2 higher rankers than mine, including an 8. 7 of the 9 rankings are well under 100, with only 2 much lower. Bono does sing this beautifully and its now one of my favorites. Really tender love song. 

 
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(29) - > #89 - A Celebration

Vulture-132/218 - recorded & released betw October & War as an attempt at a stopgap filler. “At that point we needed a hit. ‘A Celebration’ wasn’t 1 of those,” Edge said. The video is the very definition of ’80s video-making, w every possible cliché present & accounted for. (Nice red pants, Bono.)

Comment - Why this never found a place on an album i will never know. It makes either October or War much better. Maybe it didnt fit the mood of either. Still its a pretty good indication of their potential. I will be interested in Nemesis’s comments onthis one, especially how many times they played this live. 

Total Points - 262.25

Rankers - 10

Average Points per rank - 26.23 (Approximately a 78th rank). 

Ranks  - 49th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 17

Lowest Rank - 187

Previous Rank - 29 > 89

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - This is one with a noticeable drop. The only one in the previous top 30 that drops anywhere near this far. Still has 4 rankings in the top 31. One other at 42. Then we drop way past 100 for the last 5 rankings. During the last set of rankings i was excited to hear this one again. Not so much this time around. 

 
(140) - > #88 - Miracle Drug

Vulture.com ranking and comment - 118/218 - The one thing that stops this song from being great is the chorus: “Freedom has a scent / Like the top of a newborn baby’s head,” which is of course Bono’s favorite line in the song. Also: Sometimes there can be too much backstory to a song, no matter how inspirational it might be.

Comment - Just doesnt move the needle. This sounded a lot better when it came out. Now it sounds more like their newer stuff. Not a good thing. Edges solo lifts it from a lower rating. Interesting that the highest ranking here is the outlier from the rest of us who all have it in the lower middle of rankings. 

Total Points - 265.60

Rankers - 11

Average Points per rank - 24.15 (Approximately a 86th rank). 

Ranks  - 52nd on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 11

Lowest Rank - 190

Previous Rank - 140 > 88

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - We have an 11, 24 and 34 which surprises me. Its a nice enough track, but fairly plain imho. 4 other rankings between 54 and 65. 

 
Next up we will see 2 of the 3 tracks that were between 151 and 228 last time. Both make massive rises, but not as much as the one still to come. The other track is another Rattle and Hum track. It moves just a little less than 20 spots, but in which direction?

 
(29) - > #89 - A Celebration

Vulture-132/218 - recorded & released betw October & War as an attempt at a stopgap filler. “At that point we needed a hit. ‘A Celebration’ wasn’t 1 of those,” Edge said. The video is the very definition of ’80s video-making, w every possible cliché present & accounted for. (Nice red pants, Bono.)

Comment - Why this never found a place on an album i will never know. It makes either October or War much better. Maybe it didnt fit the mood of either. Still its a pretty good indication of their potential. I will be interested in Nemesis’s comments onthis one, especially how many times they played this live. 

Total Points - 262.25

Rankers - 10

Average Points per rank - 26.23 (Approximately a 78th rank). 

Ranks  - 49th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 17

Lowest Rank - 187

Previous Rank - 29 > 89

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - This is one with a noticeable drop. The only one in the previous top 30 that drops anywhere near this far. Still has 4 rankings in the top 31. One other at 42. Then we drop way past 100 for the last 5 rankings. During the last set of rankings i was excited to hear this one again. Not so much this time around. 
I had this at 30. It is one of my favorite of their early rockers. I’ve extolled it at various times in this thread.

It’s not on a proper album, wasn’t a hit in the US and was almost never played live, so it may be a case of just not being top of mind for most people. 

 
I had this at 30. It is one of my favorite of their early rockers. I’ve extolled it at various times in this thread.

It’s not on a proper album, wasn’t a hit in the US and was almost never played live, so it may be a case of just not being top of mind for most people. 
This is another song with lots of religious references, which Mrs APK didn’t find to be religious.

Anyway, I enjoy this song, but it didn’t make my 87-song rankings.  Early U2 catches me, with it’s imperfection and messiness.  I’m surprised this ranks about some other early U2 that people found too raw, disjoint, whatever words were used.  It’s shocking to me that this is higher than Stories For Boys or I Fall Down.   But regardless, it’s fun to hear from folks who really dig any U2 song!

 
Id much rather see U2 for the Achtung Baby and Joshua Tree set. Raw youth, ambition and excitement has its element, but 11 oclock tick tock, party girl are in the set list among ones that didnt make the cut for the album. If you love the first 3 albums more than any other then yeah it would be great. Maybe there is a u2 setlist website somehwere and we can run through which concert has the best set list. Knowing u2 and their fans, odds are there is at least an audio of it if not video. 
it’s not so much a set list thing as it is trying to recapture a little bit of the Red Rocks magic. Besides, I was there for The Joshua Tree tour back in the day and they already did the reboot for the 30th anniversary. 

 
I ranked this song #31. I love the energy in it. It's a fun song to workout to. Go Go Go Go  
I had A Celebration at #21. I think it may have received a few song bump because it’s a great early tune that I haven’t already heard 10,000 times. 

 
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it’s not so much a set list thing as it is trying to recapture a little bit of the Red Rocks magic. Besides, I was there for The Joshua Tree tour back in the day and they already did the reboot for the 30th anniversary. 
I can’t believe the reboot was already 5 years ago.  Jesus.  Feels like I was there 18 months ago.  Is this what getting old is like?  Does time accelerate this much?

 
#57 on my list, though I couldn't figure why since my notes on it weren't that great, so I just listened to it again and...I should have had it lower.  I don't like Bono's vocal on the opening verses - sounds too tinny to me.  I do like Edge's harmonies, though, and everything in the last two minutes of the song works and far outshines the first half.  
Were there any pithy notes from Mr. K?

 


My highest-ranking loss so far.  This one ranged anywhere from #35-60 on my various iterations, finally landing at #42 on my list.  Probably a smidge higher than it should have been, especially compared to I Fall Down (my #50), which I slightly prefer to this.  I agree with all the comments so far as to why it's great.  Interesting to see so many positive comments and high rankings on a song that fell so much.

 
My highest-ranking loss so far.  This one ranged anywhere from #35-60 on my various iterations, finally landing at #42 on my list.  Probably a smidge higher than it should have been, especially compared to I Fall Down (my #50), which I slightly prefer to this.  I agree with all the comments so far as to why it's great.  Interesting to see so many positive comments and high rankings on a song that fell so much.
I blame myself (and Mrs APK).  This should have been on my list — probably in the 60 range looking back.   And if she had ranked more than 30 songs (🙄🙄🙄🙄) this probably was top-50 for her.

 
Lets have some more fun with numbers. 

Only 5 of the remaining 87 tracks are in the same spot as last time. How high is the highest ranked of these?

8 sets of two tracks were next to each other last time and do so again in the final 87. There is one group of 3 songs that cant be separated from each other again.

There are 5 tracks that fall out of the top 20, obviously replaced by 5 others. Only 1 falls out of the top 30

There are 9 tracks that fall out of the top 50, we have already seen one. We will see 2 more before we reach 70. 

We are still to see 8 tracks that were over 100 last time. 2 make the top 64. How high will the highest one be?

There are 15 tracks left that fall more than 10 spots from their previous position. 

 
(165) - > #87 - Heartland

Vulture.com ranking and comment - 64/218 - “Heartland” is the soundtrack to hundreds of miles of America, as seen through a tour-bus window for the first time, or through renting a car and driving through the Southwest and trying to understand this impossible, incredible place. It was written during the Joshua Tree sessions, but shelved in place of “Trip Through Your Wires,” which makes sense — but it absolutely fits here, another piece of the story of figuring out America between what you think you know and what the reality is. It is a gorgeous ode to the concept that Bono would later articulate as “America is not just a country, but an idea.” It is sweet and wistful and sounds like how it feels to drive your car on a forgotten interstate. It is not an accident that it’s the song playing in the background when U2 make their way down to the Mississippi in Rattle and Hum.

Comment - Bono let loose vocally again. Not a good thing. 

Total Points - 271.92

Rankers - 12

Average Points per rank - 22.66 (Approximately a 94th rank). 

Ranks  - 55th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 21

Lowest Rank - 253

Previous Rank - 165 > 87

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - 4 rankings inside the top 50, 7 others between 53 and 108. Then we have way back at 253. Mine. I dont like this song lol. As is proven though, I am the outlier. 

 
(104) - > #86 - Van Diemen’s Land

Vulture.com ranking and comment -81/218 - The Edge was inspired by the story of a man who left the British army to join the Irish nationalists and write poetry, and it was that poetry that got him deported to Tasmania, known in Irish folk culture as Van Diemen’s Land. It is not a bad song, just a curiously sequenced one, and did not help U2 in service to the story they were trying to tell with the album (and, later, movie). Anywhere else, it would have made sense, but at the top it was just too precious. Sorry, Edge.

Original Comment - Edge with a rare vocal appearance. Pleasant enough and has its own charm. I’d be curious to see what #206 has to say as it’s hardly the barrel of excrement that would warrant a bottom 30 ranking. Obviously a totally different type of song. Maybe thats it. I have a soft spot for this song, although I am not the highest ranker. I first saw U2 live on Oct20 1989 at the Sydney Entertainment Centre. Had great seats and can remember this performance vividly. 

Total Points - 284.25

Rankers - 13

Average Points per rank - 21.87 (Approximately a 101st rank). 

Ranks  - 56th on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 9

Lowest Rank - 157

Previous Rank - 104 > 86

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - Most songs from now on are likely to have a highest ranking in the top 10. This has a 9, then 2 at 28 and 29. Then we have 8 rankings between 50 and 105. Nice to see this jump a few spots, but really curious why someone thinks this merits a top 10 ranking. 

 
(154) - > #85 - Another Time Another Place

Vulture.com ranking and comment - 87/218 - One of the undersung numbers from Boy, this track is a complete thought, a fully formed composition, with all four band members performing at an equal level: Bono’s voice soars, full of promise, while Edge, Larry, and Adam mesh together like puzzle pieces. It’s wistful and innocent, earnest and heartfelt. In later interviews, Bono kind of shrugs this one off, but it’s a perfect tale of youthful lust and longing to be alone together.

Original Comment - Album filler. Interesting that three of us had it ranked in the meh territory between 155-163, while one of us had it closer to the Vulture ranking

Total Points - 285

Rankers - 12

Average Points per rank - 23.75 (Approximately a 87th rank). 

Ranks  - 52nd on average points per ranker

Highest Rank - 8

Lowest Rank - 119

Previous Rank - 154 > 85

Special Version Requested - None

Ranking Comments - Here it is. An 8 and 17 lead the charge.. Two more in the top 50. The meat is between 64 and 119 where 8 rankers placed it. Lowest rank is 119. Last time we had 3 of the 4 of us, myself included place it well below that. I did lift it this time as it has good structure.

 
We only have one song left that was over 150 last time. We know what that is now. When will be see it? We also have 2 that fell between 130 and 149 and 2 more between 101 and 129 last time. 

After 3 from the 80s, we move forward a couple of decades with our next 3. 2 of the 3 take a reasonable tumble and are our first songs with 14 rankers. The other one doesn’t move much from last time

 

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