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UConn Women vs. Oak Hill academy: Who Wins? (1 Viewer)

Question here.  Who is/was a better coach?

Geno Aurieola

11 national championships, 23 conference championships, 9 time coach of the year in ladies basketball

or

Mystery Coach

40 national championships, 84 conference championships, 30 time coach of the year in mystery sport

I'm not trying to make a point, just curious to know what you people think is more impressive.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Yeah, I know and agree.  Geno is Phil Jackson to me.  Give him the super stars and he's good enough to win most of the time.  Give him an average team and he's just another coach.

Hell that applies to most coaches, right?  I'm trying to think of one that consistently has good to great teams with average talent.  I'm sure there are examples but nothing coming to mind right now other than Belicheck.
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I always thought Parcells in football.

Very few got the most of people like Parcells did.

 
Just Win Baby said:
Maybe you didn't see him play in college? To use Higgs' word, he was 'transcendant' for sure, no doubt about it. The summer after his junior year and before he made it to the NBA, he completely dominated everyone in the 1984 Olympics. Then he dominated the NBA as a rookie.
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i saw him play, he was great.  But great doesn't equal transcendant.   Transcendant is someone like Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, Christian Laettner, maybe throw in Carmelo Anthony.   Someone that leads the team to multiple championships, or lifts a team that had zero chance to a national championship.    MJ won the title with a game winning shot, so i'll give you that transcendant part, but that team was loaded and he wasn't the main man.    Maybe if he'd won two titles i'd give him the nod, but if you look at some top 50 all time college player lists, he barely gets a mention.

 
tommyboy said:
i saw him play, he was great.  But great doesn't equal transcendant.   Transcendant is someone like Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, Christian Laettner, maybe throw in Carmelo Anthony.   Someone that leads the team to multiple championships, or lifts a team that had zero chance to a national championship.    MJ won the title with a game winning shot, so i'll give you that transcendant part, but that team was loaded and he wasn't the main man.    Maybe if he'd won two titles i'd give him the nod, but if you look at some top 50 all time college player lists, he barely gets a mention.
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What's the old joke? The only guy that could hold Jordan to under 20 points was Dean Smith?  

 
tommyboy said:
i saw him play, he was great.  But great doesn't equal transcendant.   Transcendant is someone like Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, Christian Laettner, maybe throw in Carmelo Anthony.   Someone that leads the team to multiple championships, or lifts a team that had zero chance to a national championship.    MJ won the title with a game winning shot, so i'll give you that transcendant part, but that team was loaded and he wasn't the main man.    Maybe if he'd won two titles i'd give him the nod, but if you look at some top 50 all time college player lists, he barely gets a mention.
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Jordan was the #3 player on his college team.  Worthy and Perkins were better college players.  All 3 were very good to great though that team was loaded.

 
rockaction said:
What's the old joke? The only guy that could hold Jordan to under 20 points was Dean Smith?  
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Great point. But still he was the 3rd or 4th option. 

Everything changed for him in the pros. He was undoubtedly the best pro player of my lifetime.

 
Higgs said:
Oh well.  It had to happen at some point.  Doing anything 111 times in a row is near impossible.  This was a rebuilding year remember.

What this program has done is astounding.  You have to start talking about Geno being one of the greats of all times - in any sport.
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I need a little more information here to decide which side of the argument I'd come down on.  How big is this collection of "greats of all times in any sport" that we are arguing about including Geno with?  5?  10?  30?

I mean, is he a transcendent coaching talent, or just really great? 

And where does a guy like Larry Kehres fit compared to Geno?  

 
I like him a ton. I think his reaction to the final shot is pretty cool. Looked genuinely happy for other team. I think he is always a good interview. He has been great for UCONN. 

that said, there are probably 200 better coaches in this country. 

 
Dedfin said:
Question here.  Who is/was a better coach?

Geno Aurieola

11 national championships, 23 conference championships, 9 time coach of the year in ladies basketball

or

Mystery Coach

40 national championships, 84 conference championships, 30 time coach of the year in mystery sport

I'm not trying to make a point, just curious to know what you people think is more impressive.
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it's Ronda Rousey, isn't it?

 
tommyboy said:
i saw him play, he was great.  But great doesn't equal transcendant.   Transcendant is someone like Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, Christian Laettner, maybe throw in Carmelo Anthony.   Someone that leads the team to multiple championships, or lifts a team that had zero chance to a national championship.    MJ won the title with a game winning shot, so i'll give you that transcendant part, but that team was loaded and he wasn't the main man.    Maybe if he'd won two titles i'd give him the nod, but if you look at some top 50 all time college player lists, he barely gets a mention.
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LMFAO at saying Ewing, Laettner, and/or Anthony were more 'transcendant' than Jordan in college and saying that Jordan's team was loaded as if the teams of the others were not. LMFAO at Jordan getting "barely a mention" in any respectable top 50 all time college player lists. He proved how true the old saying that the only person who could hold Jordan below 20 points was Dean Smith when immediately after his junior season and before the NBA, he dominated the Olympic trials and the Olympics. Among other all time greats that didn't even make the team were Dream Teamers Barkley and Stockton, and among those who made the team that Jordan dominated were Dream Teamers Ewing and Mullin.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jordan was the #3 player on his college team.  Worthy and Perkins were better college players.  All 3 were very good to great though that team was loaded.
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He was the #3 player on his college team as a freshman. He was the #1 player on his college team as a sophomore and junior, over Perkins. Perkins was absolutely not a better college player, that is ridiculous.

 
tommyboy said:
Great point. But still he was the 3rd or 4th option. 

Everything changed for him in the pros. He was undoubtedly the best pro player of my lifetime.
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It's as if you guys didn't watch him play in college. He was the #3 option as a freshman. He was #1 on his team as a sophomore and junior. He was consensus 1st team All American in both of those seasons and NPOY in his junior season.

 
Just Win Baby said:
He was the #3 player on his college team as a freshman. He was the #1 player on his college team as a sophomore and junior, over Perkins. Perkins was absolutely not a better college player, that is ridiculous.
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Perkins was first team AA three times (or twice and second team once) and still top three all time at Carolina in scoring and rebounding despite deans four corners nonsense.  Both were great as was worthy so we can all nitpick but I don't think it's ridiculous at all to at least have that conversation. 

 
Just Win Baby said:
It's as if you guys didn't watch him play in college. He was the #3 option as a freshman. He was #1 on his team as a sophomore and junior. He was consensus 1st team All American in both of those seasons and NPOY in his junior season.
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How many titles did he win those two years? 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Kudos to Auriemma for establishing a dynasty and making  it stick with his recruiting dominance.  

Dont think what he's done is comparable to any level of dominance on the men's side because of the depth of talent there.

I'd put it ahead of the mudhole UNC stomped in women's college soccer.  IIRC, that program put together a winning streak close to what UConn women's basketball strung together, but the Huskies did it twice.
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Cal rugby had a ridiculous run there for awhile, I think their coach was also the coach of Team USA or something and they just got the pick of the litter. But according to Wikipedia there's now a breakaway league of like 8 of the best teams, since 2012, and Cal trails BYU 

Also Middlebury College won the first 5 college quidditch titles, but it looks like those mook no-necks from UT took over after that. Glad they've got something going.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
This stuff also comes up in soccer, although the members of the USWNT are very clear about their limitations against more athletic male teams.  In any case, the stories say that the women's national team often scrimmages against male youth teams in the national program.  Some times you hear its full youth national teams like the U17s.  Sometimes you hear that its regional teams in the Olympic Development Program.  It's tough to find documentary proof of these scrimmages, but here's a discussion of two apparent scrimmages against the Southern California Olympic Development Program teams.  The two boy's teams would have been 17 and 16 year olds at the time.

As the report there indicates, the women can be more skilled players and still have little chance of winning because of the difference in explosiveness and athleticism.  I imagine much of the same is true in basketball.  It doesn't take anything away from Breanna Stewart's skill as a player to acknowledge that she just wouldn't be able to get the same looks against an elite high school boy's team. 
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Updating this anecdotal report.  FC Dallas' U15 academy team just beat the USWNT 5-2 in a scrimmage.  Again, I don't think this takes anything away from the women (although the USWNT is in a bit of a transitional period now).  But in soccer, where we have perhaps one of the five best women's teams in the world, a team of freshmen and sophomores can beat them. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Updating this anecdotal report.  FC Dallas' U15 academy team just beat the USWNT 5-2 in a scrimmage.  Again, I don't think this takes anything away from the women (although the USWNT is in a bit of a transitional period now).  But in soccer, where we have perhaps one of the five best women's teams in the world, a team of freshmen and sophomores can beat them. 
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But...but...but... FUNDAMENTALS!!!!

This is a group of 14 year olds (seriously....14 year olds. they've barely hit puberty at this point) trouncing what is probably the best and most athletic womens' soccer team in the world. And its not even a national collection of the best 14 year olds. Its just the 14 year olds from 1 academy. (albeit probably the best academy we have in the US)

I seriously can't believe anyone who has ever watched basketball is on the UCONN side on this one. Its mind boggling to me.  The PG that beat UCONN was 5'3 and skipped up and down the court.

 
So I'd put money on the Lawrence High Boys BB team over UConn.  Who is going to post up 6'7 Kobe Buffalomeat?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Jordan was the #3 player on his college team.  Worthy and Perkins were better college players.  All 3 were very good to great though that team was loaded.
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you know who else was the number three player on his team jesus christ that is who right after the father and the holy ghost but hey it ends up that he was pretty damned transcendent and when they nailed him to a cross bam he was tougher than nails so hey man just sayin that we accept your apology take that to the bank brohans 

 
otb_lifer said:
UCONN women vs. the men's Olympic bball squad from Angola - who ya got?

:popcorn:
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Consider this.  The top U18 sprinter 100m boy in history would eclipse the all time women's Olympic mark by nearly a half a second.   Best high school javelin throw beats women's Olympic record by almost 10%.    If did this for every sport, I assume we'd find similar results.

 
MarvinTScamper said:
Consider this.  The top U18 sprinter 100m boy in history would eclipse the all time women's Olympic mark by nearly a half a second.   Best high school javelin throw beats women's Olympic record by almost 10%.    If did this for every sport, I assume we'd find similar results.
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yeah, i dig where you're coming from here - i get it  :thumbup:

however, you're talking elite skills (at a junior level, but, elite, nonetheless) - much like Oak Hill, or any other top flight boys bball squad ... but that Angolan team is far from elite, and i'd hazard to guess woefully outmatched as far as fundemantals & cohesion are concerned. 

chucking all of that into the hopper ... who ya got?

 
otb_lifer said:
UCONN women vs. the men's Olympic bball squad from Angola - who ya got?

:popcorn:
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Angola by a bunch.

Like RHE experience says, I'm not downing the woman's team (the best women's players are incredibly skilled) but a tournament-level men's team just has superior weapons

 
MarvinTScamper said:
Consider this.  The top U18 sprinter 100m boy in history would eclipse the all time women's Olympic mark by nearly a half a second.   Best high school javelin throw beats women's Olympic record by almost 10%.    If did this for every sport, I assume we'd find similar results.
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Koya, with 1980-90s technology and training could run as fast as any woman in the 100m save 2-3.  If I were at peak performance with today's training, probably as fast, certainly within a tenth of a second.

This is not the top U18 sprinter EVER... just one of the 2-3 fastest HIGH SCHOOL kids in ONE freaking county. A short, hairy jew kid at that. The genetics are stacked in our favor many times over.

 
Koya said:
Koya, with 1980-90s technology and training could run as fast as any woman in the 100m save 2-3.  If I were at peak performance with today's training, probably as fast, certainly within a tenth of a second.

This is not the top U18 sprinter EVER... just one of the 2-3 fastest HIGH SCHOOL kids in ONE freaking county. A short, hairy jew kid at that. The genetics are stacked in our favor many times over.
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one can only imagine a giant jew fro flopping all over the place as you plow through at 10.6 seconds

 
I would take a top AAU 15U team over the UConn women giving 20.

If Oak Hill was full go for the entire game, I think they could hold the UConn women to single digit points.

 
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A team of UConn women's all-stars in their primes vs. Jordan, Pippen and Rodman in their primes. 5 on 3, fatigue not an issue. Who you like?

 
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