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Who's ever NOT made an embarrassing exit from the octagon? Noone's ever gone out on top. I thought the knockdowns should've been enough for Tito to win it... but after looking at the shots landed numbers Griffen looked like the winner. I like how he said he considers his record against Tito 3 draws, that's accurate to me.
Ya, to me the judges were at least consistent in this type of fight. Favoring cage control and striking above a few takedowns. Similar to the fight they gave to the Russian kid.
If Chael had done that there would've been riots Just like if Chael would've shouldered Silva at the weigh-in.Silva won and I don't think it has anything to do with a cheap shoulder, or greasing, or grabbing shorts, or a questionable knee. But he still did those things and they aren't good.at the "greasing" outrage. You can find examples of Silva wiping off excess vasoline from his face dating back at least 3 years. The UFC doesn't seem to mind.
I don't see what you can use as evidence of this.If Chael had done that there would've been riots Just like if Chael would've shouldered Silva at the weigh-in.Silva won and I don't think it has anything to do with a cheap shoulder, or greasing, or grabbing shorts, or a questionable knee. But he still did those things and they aren't good.
Tito's gassing is so predictable. Its been going on for years. Every fight they talk about how he's in great shape, how he trained at Big Bear at altitude and then he's sucking wind mid-way through each round.
Post fight someone asks Silva about a Jones match up. Silva: sort of shocked look on his face, wag of the finger, smile and "NOPE".
Yeah, Silva stuffing his take down multiple times will do that. Then its just a matter of time before lights out.I'm constantly amazed by Silva's striking. I can't say that I've ever seen someone land let alone try a knee to the body of an opponent in that position. If he's just a little bit off, it hits Sonnen's head and then its DQ. Instead he lands that perfectly and the fight is essentially over.
Well duh because it didn't happen. Try common sense. Put it this way, there was pretty much zero uproar over Silva doing the shoulder shot. Are you saying if Chael would've done the shoulder shot there would've been no public reaction?I don't see what you can use as evidence of this.If Chael had done that there would've been riots Just like if Chael would've shouldered Silva at the weigh-in.Silva won and I don't think it has anything to do with a cheap shoulder, or greasing, or grabbing shorts, or a questionable knee. But he still did those things and they aren't good.
Ya but I thought he would control the fight and be able to rest a bit that way. Seemed to have the opposite effect but it probalby didn't matter what he did.
What I am using is the fact that Anderson has engaged in this supposed greasing for years, with next to no surprise from fans, media or the UFC. Common sense would suggest that there shouldn't be outrage in this case, not the other way around.For the record, although the greasing thing was the only thing I was talking about, there was plenty of uproar over Silva's shoulder shrug at the weigh-in in specialized media and forums. Excessive uproar, in fact.Well duh because it didn't happen. Try common sense. Put it this way, there was pretty much zero uproar over Silva doing the shoulder shot. Are you saying if Chael would've done the shoulder shot there would've been no public reaction?I don't see what you can use as evidence of this.If Chael had done that there would've been riots Just like if Chael would've shouldered Silva at the weigh-in.Silva won and I don't think it has anything to do with a cheap shoulder, or greasing, or grabbing shorts, or a questionable knee. But he still did those things and they aren't good.
I wouldn't describe it that way. I think Silva was uncomfortable for most of the fight, much like the first one. But he never stopped looking for spots or took his foot off the gas. Sonnen had success taking him down and even when he didn't get him to the ground he was getting him to the cage and controlling the action. But Silva wasn't making it easy and Chael got impatient or stupid or whatever and then Silva pounced.I love how Silva didn't hesitate on the knee. I don't know who trains for that stuff but obviously Silva had and knew exactly what he wanted to do risks be damned.
I do not disagree. I just think the uproar would've been substantially greater had it been Chael doing those things.What I am using is the fact that Anderson has engaged in this supposed greasing for years, with next to no surprise from fans, media or the UFC. Common sense would suggest that there shouldn't be outrage in this case, not the other way around.For the record, although the greasing thing was the only thing I was talking about, there was plenty of uproar over Silva's shoulder shrug at the weigh-in in specialized media and forums. Excessive uproar, in fact.Well duh because it didn't happen. Try common sense. Put it this way, there was pretty much zero uproar over Silva doing the shoulder shot. Are you saying if Chael would've done the shoulder shot there would've been no public reaction?I don't see what you can use as evidence of this.If Chael had done that there would've been riots Just like if Chael would've shouldered Silva at the weigh-in.Silva won and I don't think it has anything to do with a cheap shoulder, or greasing, or grabbing shorts, or a questionable knee. But he still did those things and they aren't good.
He's looked out of shape for literally years. Even before he hurt his neck or back and had surgery on it. Its not like he's pushing a fast pace. He just gets tired really easily. That fight for him consisted of a handful of take down attempts which he land two and pretty much l&p'ed, maybe two dozen hay makers of which 2 landed well and the rest of the time just being a punching bag for Forest's jab.
This part I agree with. It would help if Sonnen had more power. Everyone talks about his strikes versus Silva but most of them are without power.To me the bottom line about Silva/Sonnen is that Silva makes you pay for your mistakes.
Silva reminds me of the iceman in his prime in their ability to finish a guy once they're locked on. no one ever seems to take a couple of shots from anderson and recover. once you see his opponent stagger a little, its game over. like in the tito fight, tito knocked forest down twice and both times he just got back up and it was fight on. no way forrest gets up from that first knockdown if its against silva.
Ya, after the knee the fight kept going but even as a Sonnen fan I knew it was just a matter of time. Frankly surprised Sonnen lasted that long.
I didn't have any problems getting the HD feed through DirecTV and I DVR'd the PPV as well. It cost me $54.95 for the HD feed as well. My guess is you mistakenly ordered the non-HD feed for $10 less.
Rashad at least had control of Tito's body at the time. Silva just flew in with pinpoint precision.
I was thinking this same thing the other day. OTOH it gives you exposure to some of these undercard guys who may turn out to be something special.
hope you're right, but the cart has been pushed ahead of the horse IMO. There's no way the pool of talent and interest could develop as quickly as their expansion.
look at the amount of injuries that have occurred on these cards in the summer. Can't blame the UFC entirely when half their roster get injured and has to pull out of fights
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injuries happen all the time in a combat sport. We used to not even notice because when they occurred the pool of available talent was deep enough to account for it. Now with that pool drained by seemingly weekly "main events" and undercards, there is nothing left to do but do drag up has beens, not yets, and never will be's.perfect example is the fact that there's yet another "big night of fights" 3 DAYS FROM NOW. The main card? Munoz v Weidman. That would've been a great fight as #2, 3 or 4 last night. Heck, even Dillashaw v Lee would've been interesting last night as a fill in. Dillashaw being recognizable (TUF) and someone who has promise and a relatively exciting style
Lost about 12 units last night, pretty big hit for me. Went small on Cung because I just wasn't confident and barely made back there what I lost on Chael and Tito. I max played Tibau straight and got destroyed. I would have judged it the other way, but who knows, may have just been my bias.
One reason for weaker cards is strangely enough that they have too many good fighters on them. Some of the free cards are better because they have lesser fighters who are more focused on gunning for the 50K+ for fight/KO/sub of the night than their 3K win bonuses.
I think Dana needs to understand that UFC fans want to see exciting fights. I would much rather watch a Pat Barry-Joey Beltran fight than a bantamweight fight where the fighters are running all over the place. I also enjoy seeing fighters known for the submission skills.Additionally, he might want to realize that one ground and pound fighter is more than enough for a main card. And by ground and pound, I mean the wrestlers who just hold you on the cage for 2 minutes, get you off your feet, and then basically do nothing on the ground for 3 minutes.
It's hard to call because the fan base is so broad right now. I do agree that there shouldn't be too many lay and pray guys, but i think there is less of that now then say 2 years ago. I think you mentioned earlier about wanting HWYs on each card, but we have all seen our fair share of "bad" HWY fights because the big guys can gas easily at times. The bantamweight fighters might seem to be running around a lot, but you can't say they aren't active and keep a fight exciting. Easton-Manjivar is the first fight in the low classes i can think of that wasn't absolutely exciting. Also have to keep in mind that Dana and the UFC only have so much control over the fights. There are plenty of fights that look great on paper, and turn out to not be as fun as everyone thought. Luckily, there are a lot of fights that are vice versa to that as well. A great example is Guida-Maynard, no one thought that fight would be like it was. And I'll argue with Kutta for a second here, you can't say the Mendes KO of Cody was not a good KO. The body shot he landed seemed to take almost everything out of Cody, and there was no doubt McKenzie was out cold when he came to. I haven't seen a guy have to sit on a stool for the announcement of the winner in a long time. And I thought Le-Cote was pretty good, same with Silva-Sonnen
How many heavyweight fights have we seen recently that have been so-so? Honestly, I can't remember. I would jump at buying another heavyweight ppv.I am sorry, I cannot stand the bantamweight fights. MAybe a few exceptions, I just can't stand them. I think lightweight should be the lightest UFC goes.I think Cody is a one trick pony. I enjoy watching fighters with unorthodox styles like Le, great fight. And Silva- Sonnen was a great fight because of all the banter before. I have no issues with that fight at all. And you said it best with "lay and pray". Big difference between ground and pound, which I don't mind at all (example being St. Pierre v, Hardy).
Thanks. I least I know it was on my end.same here. i got the non-HD feed once or twice, and it isn't worth saving the $10.
the way judges scored fights in PRIDE effected finishes more. unified rules tend to encourage a more defensive style and J-MMA rewards attacking
I just wouldn't call a :30 fight where a guy catches a kick and punches the guy in the stomach and the guy falls to the ground and gets pounded a bit a very exciting fight. And sure, Le-Cote was a decent fight. I thought the Sliva-Sonnen ending was just a bit anti-climatic. Those fights weren't terrible. They just didn't have a lot of excitement and action. My point being either the fights went the distance with no one really getting hurt, or the fight was stopped and you kind of looked around and said, "what happened?" There was no good rear naked choke, no arm bar/triangle finish, no standing knockout, no ground and pound with someone getting their head cut open. They were all just kind of there and ended with a shrug.
I think what happened was the undercard was so blah with every fight going the distance that it drug down the rest of the card. I have seen it before where you have a great preliminary card and some of the cards on the main card are really fun, and even if the main event isn't so good everybody is excited about the card. With every fight but one going the distance, and having Forrest-Tito and Easton-Manjivar not putting on a great show, i think it brought down the good of the card. This is the big difference between the UFC and boxing cards, in that these are often looked at as a whole.
"He intended to cheat, but didn't!"
Not sure if true, but that is a ridiculous assertion. In the position they were in, it was much more difficult for Silva to hit Sonnen's chest than to just blast his dome.
A DQ loss would have put another $6-8 million dollars in Silva's pocket when they scheduled the rematch. Plus he would get to badly injure Sonnen and keep the belt in the mean time. I think he fully intended on wrecking Sonnen's face with that knee. The coach is just talking though, no decision will be appealed, let alone turned over. It was a clean strike, probably one of the most effective ones in UFC history.