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Wow I guess they really are desperate to pump the ratings for TUF back up. Not even making Sonnen take at least 1 fight at LHW (where he has a losing record overall) before this? So your middle weight champ and p4p best fighter in the world moves up to LHW and fights Stephan Bonnar and the guy who he beat twice at MW moves up and get a title shot. Makes sense to me.Jones vs Sonnen on TUF then fight in AprilPathetic.
I haven't caught a TUF season since they moved from Spike.Not sure what channel it's even on now, but they just gave me a reason to find out.
Gustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!I like Sonnen and he'll be good for ratings, but they can't be out of contenders at LHW already, can they?
I think you guys are off on this one. There are times in MMA that we can relax and take it for some enjoyment, a la Silva-Bonner. I don't think anybody will think seeing Chael and Jones bicker on TV won't be fun to watch.As for your list, i will argue with a few. Cormier needs to get to LHW first, and fight his first fight in the UFC I think before we push him into a title fight. Davis got destroyed by Rashad a fight ago, and beating Prado is a long way from a title shot. Henderson is possible, but I am not sure the status of his knee and how he is doing health wise. You can argue Glover and Gustaffson, but I think that would be a big mistake. You have 2 future title contenders there, let them come along at a good pace (like they did with Jones and didn't rush him in). Throwing those guys in too fast could throw a wrench in their long-term career and I am glad they don't need to do it, unless they are forced into it (like Jones was when Rashad got hurt).And it is stretching it, but i think an argument can be made for Chael. his last 2 fights were against the pound-for-pound best fighter (notice how no longer questionable, i think he has to be considered #1 at this point), and he was less than a minute away fro winning the first fight. Not saying Chael has a chance against Jones, but i would rather see Glover take on 2 big names like Rampage and somebody else before he gets in there. i also think the #1 contender needs to be Machida, but i think he and Hendo are getting a slap on the wrist for not taking the jones fight when it was offered to them. Actually, i think it was Shogun, not Hendo, but i think all 3 are in the dog house. I also think Dana getting Jones on TUF is him providing the champ a venue to get some fans and convince people he is a good guy and not a d-bag. Not sure he will be successful, but that is an easy way to try and do itGustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
That explains Jones's recent tweets.Jones vs Sonnen on TUF then fight in April
While all of these guys might eventually be legit contenders, none are must make matches. Gustaffson got embarrassed by Davis and hasn't fought anyone of that caliber since. And Davis got embarrassed by Evans not too long ago. Henderson has one round of cardio tops. He'd have a puncher's chance against Jones, but that's it. Jones has pretty much cleaned out the division. Cormier is different since he's a HW and he'd be a must make match if he cut to LHW, but he's not actually going to do that so...But this just shows again what a liar and flip flopper Dana White is. Can't believe anyone took his side over Jones after UFC 151 got canceled.Gustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
CHAEL P, the LHW Champion of the world (by forfeit) 
I don't think his elbow would allow him to fight before then anyway.'EYLive said:7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
If you try to look at MMA and the UFC as a sport, the Sonnen/Bones thing is ridiculous. If you accept that Dana White has abandoned all pretense of not operating like boxing/pro wrestling, then #### it. C.R.E.A.M. That's one year of Jones' career dedicated to fighting two middleweights, even though they have months to build up a proper LHW contender while Jones recovers. Now they have 7 months to hype a fight where one guy doesn't have a prayer.
I agree that most of the guys listed are not really ready for a title shot but they are the next best fighters who would not be a rematch. I would put Shogun and Machida ahead of all of them (if Shogun beats Gustafsson). Glover isn't getting any younger (32). And he could easily get another fight (like against Rampage) in before an April title fight. That would have built his name up sufficiently to be able to sell a title fightt.re: Gustaffson. They are already throwing him in against Shogun. The next step up after Shogun is a title shot. If they were going to bring him along slow, he should be fighting someone else.Hendo has more months before an April fight. I`d think his knee would be okay by then.White is just selling tickets and getting away from everything he preaches. In no way should a middleweight washout, who in most peoples opinion lost to Michael freaking Bisping, be getting a title shot.ETA: And there is a big difference between Silva vs Bonnar and Jones vs Sonnen.The champ was stepping up in weight to fight a bigger man albeit not a very talented one. Not fighting middleweight. Silva stepped up to `save` the card. He did the UFC a big favor. Jones vs Sonnen is 7+ months away!'modogg said:I think you guys are off on this one. There are times in MMA that we can relax and take it for some enjoyment, a la Silva-Bonner. I don't think anybody will think seeing Chael and Jones bicker on TV won't be fun to watch.As for your list, i will argue with a few. Cormier needs to get to LHW first, and fight his first fight in the UFC I think before we push him into a title fight. Davis got destroyed by Rashad a fight ago, and beating Prado is a long way from a title shot. Henderson is possible, but I am not sure the status of his knee and how he is doing health wise. You can argue Glover and Gustaffson, but I think that would be a big mistake. You have 2 future title contenders there, let them come along at a good pace (like they did with Jones and didn't rush him in). Throwing those guys in too fast could throw a wrench in their long-term career and I am glad they don't need to do it, unless they are forced into it (like Jones was when Rashad got hurt).And it is stretching it, but i think an argument can be made for Chael. his last 2 fights were against the pound-for-pound best fighter (notice how no longer questionable, i think he has to be considered #1 at this point), and he was less than a minute away fro winning the first fight. Not saying Chael has a chance against Jones, but i would rather see Glover take on 2 big names like Rampage and somebody else before he gets in there. i also think the #1 contender needs to be Machida, but i think he and Hendo are getting a slap on the wrist for not taking the jones fight when it was offered to them. Actually, i think it was Shogun, not Hendo, but i think all 3 are in the dog house. I also think Dana getting Jones on TUF is him providing the champ a venue to get some fans and convince people he is a good guy and not a d-bag. Not sure he will be successful, but that is an easy way to try and do it'Cliff Clavin said:Gustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.'EYLive said:7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
Yes, they are just the next best options before rematches with Shogun, Machida and Evans. As a lot of people were saying about Erick Silva`s beating. Sometimes a step up to elite competition and getting an ### whooping will help a kid out like it did with GSP vs Hughes 1.'SacramentoBob said:While all of these guys might eventually be legit contenders, none are must make matches. Gustaffson got embarrassed by Davis and hasn't fought anyone of that caliber since. And Davis got embarrassed by Evans not too long ago. Henderson has one round of cardio tops. He'd have a puncher's chance against Jones, but that's it. Jones has pretty much cleaned out the division. Cormier is different since he's a HW and he'd be a must make match if he cut to LHW, but he's not actually going to do that so...But this just shows again what a liar and flip flopper Dana White is. Can't believe anyone took his side over Jones after UFC 151 got canceled.'Cliff Clavin said:Gustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.'EYLive said:7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
Missed it earlier.They're chanting "UH, VAI MORRER", meaning "whoo, you're gonna die". 
Was I hearing "Boo-S-A" chants?
Side note: Brazilians loved WHOOMP DERE IT IS at the time, and transliterated it to 'uh, tererê' all the time. Used in all contexts as something like "awwwww yeaaaaa".
Side note 2: At one point, the crowd also imported the popular futbol match chant of "Ei, Galvão - vai tomar no cu", which is roughly "Hey Galvão - go #### yourself". It's directed at famed color commentator Galvão Bueno, who covers all sorts of sports down here, and has been the commentator for the UFC network TV broadcasts on Globo down here. Shame that 'go #### yourself' doesn't roll off the tongue quite like 'vai tomar no cu', 'cause I'd love to chant that for Berman, among others.
GSP has a similar reach to Silva and would be probably the quickest opponent Silva has faced. Sonnen was very effective vs Silva for 5 of 7 rounds and the logic is that GSP could replicate that. GSP probably doesn't have the strength of Sonnen and he's probably an inferior wrestler, but he's better at everything else than Sonnen. Better cardio, better striker, better grappler, more explosive better GnP, and he's a much better tactical fighter. I tend to think Greg Jackson and co are overrated in their gameplans, but I'd be curious as to what they come up with vs Silva. would guess that GSP would probably be a +200 in that fight, if he looks impressive vs Condit, so he'd be comparable to Sonnen.
White on Diaz vs Silva:
That's been the talk for a while now. Probably looking at Tuesday. I'm fine with Bones/Sonnen. I don't want TUF to die, so if that helps, then let's rock!
Alright Ahrn, let's hear some predictions on these from you. I'll go first
iaz, MacDonald, JDS, GSP, Kampmann, Swick, and Carwinall of the top of my head, the only one i looked into so far was Diaz-Henderson, and I do like Diaz's chances. Though i have under-estimated Henderson a lot too
What was up with the guy @:45 jumping into the ring like Rick Steamboat?
HendersonMacDonaldVelasquezConditKampmannSwickNelsonAlright Ahrn, let's hear some predictions on these from you. I'll go first
Cain-JDS will be interesting. Cain is in the same boat as Henderson is with me, i just really have never been that impressed by Valasquez. I don't know why, but he had a lot of unimpressive wins like Kongo, etc., and his win over Brock was when Brock was decrepit. He did look like a gang buster against Big Nog and Big Foot, but i am not sure I am sold yet. I think JDS has just looked better in some of his wins, like his win over Cartwin and NelsonHendersonMacDonaldVelasquezConditKampmannSwickNelsonAlright Ahrn, let's hear some predictions on these from you. I'll go first
Diaz, MacDonald, JDS, Condit, Kampmann, Swick, Nelson
Henderson (only because I train at the same gym as he does. I would not put money on him).McDonaldJDSGSPKampmanSwickCarwinHendersonMacDonaldVelasquezConditKampmannSwickNelsonAlright Ahrn, let's hear some predictions on these from you. I'll go first
I know I'm a little behind on this, but Sonnen seems to be as legit of a contender the guy who was supposed to be the #1 contender in Machida. Sonnen is anywhere from a +475 to +605 for his upcoming fight vs Jones. Machida was +420 to +445 at fight time vs Jones in Dec. 2011. It was Jones' 2nd title defense. After that, Jones has run off 2 more wins, not including his win vs Machida. So I can't image the odds for a Machida rematch being too much different than the current odds on Sonnen vs. Jones. Whether or not Sonnen is deserving is another story, but from the standpoint of competitive matchmaking, Sonnen isn't that much worse than seemingly anyone else in the LHW division, aside from Anderson.I agree that most of the guys listed are not really ready for a title shot but they are the next best fighters who would not be a rematch. I would put Shogun and Machida ahead of all of them (if Shogun beats Gustafsson). Glover isn't getting any younger (32). And he could easily get another fight (like against Rampage) in before an April title fight. That would have built his name up sufficiently to be able to sell a title fightt.re: Gustaffson. They are already throwing him in against Shogun. The next step up after Shogun is a title shot. If they were going to bring him along slow, he should be fighting someone else.Hendo has more months before an April fight. I`d think his knee would be okay by then.White is just selling tickets and getting away from everything he preaches. In no way should a middleweight washout, who in most peoples opinion lost to Michael freaking Bisping, be getting a title shot.ETA: And there is a big difference between Silva vs Bonnar and Jones vs Sonnen.The champ was stepping up in weight to fight a bigger man albeit not a very talented one. Not fighting middleweight. Silva stepped up to `save` the card. He did the UFC a big favor. Jones vs Sonnen is 7+ months away!I think you guys are off on this one. There are times in MMA that we can relax and take it for some enjoyment, a la Silva-Bonner. I don't think anybody will think seeing Chael and Jones bicker on TV won't be fun to watch.As for your list, i will argue with a few. Cormier needs to get to LHW first, and fight his first fight in the UFC I think before we push him into a title fight. Davis got destroyed by Rashad a fight ago, and beating Prado is a long way from a title shot. Henderson is possible, but I am not sure the status of his knee and how he is doing health wise. You can argue Glover and Gustaffson, but I think that would be a big mistake. You have 2 future title contenders there, let them come along at a good pace (like they did with Jones and didn't rush him in). Throwing those guys in too fast could throw a wrench in their long-term career and I am glad they don't need to do it, unless they are forced into it (like Jones was when Rashad got hurt).And it is stretching it, but i think an argument can be made for Chael. his last 2 fights were against the pound-for-pound best fighter (notice how no longer questionable, i think he has to be considered #1 at this point), and he was less than a minute away fro winning the first fight. Not saying Chael has a chance against Jones, but i would rather see Glover take on 2 big names like Rampage and somebody else before he gets in there. i also think the #1 contender needs to be Machida, but i think he and Hendo are getting a slap on the wrist for not taking the jones fight when it was offered to them. Actually, i think it was Shogun, not Hendo, but i think all 3 are in the dog house. I also think Dana getting Jones on TUF is him providing the champ a venue to get some fans and convince people he is a good guy and not a d-bag. Not sure he will be successful, but that is an easy way to try and do itGustaffson, Glover, Cormier, Henderson and Davis are all more worthy candidates who haven't had a shot yet.7 months between fights, and it's Sonnen? BOOOOOOOOO!
Condit over GSP, ballsy. i do think it will be a close one, i just have a hard time seeing how GSP loses. has to be by decision, right?
i think the main concern is that it is going on 2 years or so that gsp has fought, correct?that hasn't shown to work out too good recently for some other big names.he has to be a bit rusty.
i like 'em a ton too, but the non-HD is a pain in the ###. it is real good though when the UFC has these 4-week long breaks between shows
After about 45 seconds I woulda bet my life this thing didnt go the distanceThat porn star took a beating and kept coming. Color me impressed.
I used to watch regularly. I really like their format. I haven't been keeping up with MMA lately outside of UFC shows though.
I watch them but almost never live. Always on DVR. starting tonights card now.
it's a good one. I am late to them tonight too, but checked out some of the results. Pissed the main sportsbook i use hasn't posted lines for the Bellator events for a few weeks
It's really, comically bad this season. Roy Nelson is an absolutely horrible coach - even his fighters think so. I have no idea what the thinking was setting up him and Carwin as coaches - is that really a fight anyone wants to see? There's a couple good kids in the group but overall it's terrible.I still watch, though.
I still watch it all the time. I am convinced I will be one of the last to watch it if Dana wants to run TUF drive, give me irresponsible 18-21 year olds acting stupid, and for some reason when it is TUF I'm in
Ditto. Of course I record every Bellator show, every AXS show, and that new WSOF on NBC Sports.'modogg said:'AhrnCityPahnder said:
