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They really picked up the pace for TV. I like when Anik called McNeil Easy Money for his 20 second segment.
I miss the longer version of the show,but probably not enough to watch the extended online version if it is mixed in with the stuff I already saw. I need to try it once to see if it is. I love it in HD on the big screen though.
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i hope they show the fight though, give us another 1st round win here and they should squeeze that fight in. I don't know how many decisions we'll have tonight, so my guess is we should see it
i hope they show the fight though, give us another 1st round win here and they should squeeze that fight in. I don't know how many decisions we'll have tonight, so my guess is we should see it Play-by-play made it sound like the first round stunk up the place, and there were several quick submissions in the prelims, so I doubt it makes it onto the broadcast.
stay strong, guy
So much for that. Randleman might want to hang it up.
Thanks
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HalligatorLooking forward to Jacaray's fight too.
Really hard to figure out who is the worst of these 3. I really think Shamrock is watching a different fight half the time.
love to see him weather all this and KO him.
Or does Harlovski's just look crappy
Well, maybe. Regardless -- Silva looks good. Relaxed, hands up, nice counters, well timed bursts.
I hagree.
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Overeem beat Paul Beuntello in Nov 2007 to win the Strikeforce HW title. He has not defended the belt nor fought in the US since then (he claims he's making more money in Japan). The real Question is why didn't SF strip him for abandonment about a year and a half ago -- likely answer is lack of HWs worth a #### -- but we're now poised for an Overeem / Fedor fight.
WANT.
yup. I will be all over Overeem over Fedor though. The way Overeem dominated tonight i think he'll be able to deal with Fedor as long as he doesn't do something dumb like Arolvski's flying kneeAnd i feel bad for Rogers. Give him a showcase fight next, the guy needs a chance to develop. he should come back strong if he can get some time to work on it.
Overeem beat Paul Beuntello in Nov 2007 to win the Strikeforce HW title. He has not defended the belt nor fought in the US since then (he claims he's making more money in Japan). The real Question is why didn't SF strip him for abandonment about a year and a half ago -- likely answer is lack of HWs worth a #### -- but we're now poised for an Overeem / Fedor fight.
Overeem looked like a monster tonight - if Fedor takes care of business vs. Werdum, the hype is gonna be through the roof for the championship fight.
If you had asked me before tonight who the Strikeforce heavyweight champion was, I would've have been shocked when Fedor wasn't the right answer. What a joke operation Strikeforce is. It sounds like Fedor doesn't even have an interim belt from what I'm reading.Fedor versus Overeem does sound good though. Is that the last fight Fedor has on his Strikeforce contract? No matter the result, I hope we can see him in the UFC soon.Overeem beat Paul Beuntello in Nov 2007 to win the Strikeforce HW title. He has not defended the belt nor fought in the US since then (he claims he's making more money in Japan). The real Question is why didn't SF strip him for abandonment about a year and a half ago -- likely answer is lack of HWs worth a #### -- but we're now poised for an Overeem / Fedor fight.
I honestly think Overeem beats Fedor, and Fedor's options for who and where he wants to fight will drop severely. i honestly do think Fedor's mgmt. was avoiding Overeem, and I think there was good reason for thatIf you had asked me before tonight who the Strikeforce heavyweight champion was, I would've have been shocked when Fedor wasn't the right answer. What a joke operation Strikeforce is. It sounds like Fedor doesn't even have an interim belt from what I'm reading.Fedor versus Overeem does sound good though. Is that the last fight Fedor has on his Strikeforce contract? No matter the result, I hope we can see him in the UFC soon.Overeem beat Paul Beuntello in Nov 2007 to win the Strikeforce HW title. He has not defended the belt nor fought in the US since then (he claims he's making more money in Japan). The real Question is why didn't SF strip him for abandonment about a year and a half ago -- likely answer is lack of HWs worth a #### -- but we're now poised for an Overeem / Fedor fight.
Thank you Big Foot backers. Not only saved me a little from avoiding taking Arlovski, but helped win a little out of it too.
I like them. Any US legit organization that provides competition to the UFC is a good thing for all fight fans IMO, and they've got a pretty solid roster of fighters. Sure, the decision not to strip AO of the belt is a little shady, but keep in mind that between Rogers, Arlovski, Bigfoot and Gracie -- we just near saw the entire SF HW division tonight (Werdum and Fedor are the only ones I can think of otherwise) -- it's not like a hotbed of talent is floating around out there at HW. Hell, you only have to turn the clock back about 24-36 months and the UFC HW division was looking pathetic as well.
the weird thing about it is that i thought they had more talent a year or 2 ago. I thought they had Dave Herman who is a good up and comer, John Murphy was in there, i think a few others too. Does seem they all dissapeared
I'm still up in the air about it. I can't believe i am saying that when i feel like i have to check out everything MMA-related, but I will probably wait a week or so to hear everyone's feedback about the fight to decide. I'm sure i will cave in no matter what thoughEDIT: I just turned on the Demo and muted it to hear Sherdog's beatdown after the show, so i'm sure i'll get it at some point
Oof.
I know people are hyped about Overeem, but he didn't show me anything tonight that I hadn't seen in his past few fights. Truth be told, Rogers has very limited skills and huge power in his shots, and made his name mostly off of the Arlovski win. I would've been shocked if the result had been anything else, and can't believe people have this much faith in the guy. Rogers looked awful out there. Fedor is in a different league altogether, regardless of what Rogers/Fedor looked like.Still haven't had a chance to see if Alistair's gas tank improved at all, and what gets him in trouble - apart from the suspect ground game - is that he wilts when his opponent doesn't back down from him in the standup. Like Mirko, he likes to stalk guys, but that's not going to work against Fedor.
I like having a second organization as well, but they are a joke. For example, here is their announced card for their June 26th event:
I like them. Any US legit organization that provides competition to the UFC is a good thing for all fight fans IMO, and they've got a pretty solid roster of fighters.
Sure, the decision not to strip AO of the belt is a little shady, but keep in mind that between Rogers, Arlovski, Bigfoot and Gracie -- we just near saw the entire SF HW division tonight (Werdum and Fedor are the only ones I can think of otherwise) -- it's not like a hotbed of talent is floating around out there at HW. Hell, you only have to turn the clock back about 24-36 months and the UFC HW division was looking pathetic as well.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that wrt: contract exclusivity, FE and AO are the exception here, not the rule. There's no way that fighters of their caliber and draw, espeically in Japan, would sign exclusive US contracts (hell, even UFC couldn't sign Fedor, and you know they have a much bigger stack to throw around). So as I see it, there are two options here: To proceed as SF has, or to never see these non-UFC big names guys fighting in the USA. I'll take it.
Picked up a unit on the night. Hindsight is 20/20 but damn, I wish I unloaded on Overeem. That was as much of a mismatch as I thought it would be. Rogers was backing up the entire time, afraid, before Overeem ragdolled him to the ground and pummeled him. Gracie's striking actually looked pretty decent, albeit against Kevin Randleman.sheerterror said:
Abrantes said:
I think this could play very nicely into bettor's hands for the looming Fedor-Overeem fight. The same people that thought Rogers would kill Overeem because of how "good" he looked against Fedor are now going to hop on AO's bandwagon, and could make for a very affordable, sub -200 line for Fedor in that fight. Looking forward to it - unfortunately, it's probably a year away.
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Guy showed some real potential.Gracie was 205 last night. It looks like he can stand to add 20lbs though some maybe he'll end up a heavyweight.AhrnCityPahnder said:
i don't know here bud, Fedor hasn't exactly looked that dominating in his last 2 fights. Maybe i am being suckered in again here, but Arlovski was doing well with the stand-up before his flying knee incident, and Rogers had Fedor in a full mount last fight. Uuuvereeeem didn't have the chance to show anything because Rogers looked kind of pathetic. If Overeem could thrown Rogers around like that, I don't know why he couldn't do that with Fedor as well. my though is we'll see this fight in Oct or Nov on CBS, but we'll see how the negotiations with M-1 go.Abrantes said:
Rogers mounted Fedor?Fedor has some of the best balance of anyone in the HW division and he's got very good judo, while Rogers balance is poor. So I wouldn't expect Ubereem to throw Fedor around in the clinch as easily as he did Rogers. That said, I was very impressed with Overeem's standup in this fight. He seems extremely comfortable standing in punching range and just moved enough to be on the end of Rogers' punches. Fedor is the only other HW that seemingly does that. If Fedor faces Overeem, I think this fight will be settled in the clinch. Both guys tend to step towards their opponent when their opponent throws strikes, and they both have a good sense of range so that they won't be winging punches while out of range (something Rogers did a few times.) Fedor is very good at throwing strikes to set up clinch throws (Machida does this really well too) and that is probably the way he can beat Overeem. Long right hook > clinch > trip/throw > top position > sub.i don't know here bud, Fedor hasn't exactly looked that dominating in his last 2 fights. Maybe i am being suckered in again here, but Arlovski was doing well with the stand-up before his flying knee incident, and Rogers had Fedor in a full mount last fight. Uuuvereeeem didn't have the chance to show anything because Rogers looked kind of pathetic. If Overeem could thrown Rogers around like that, I don't know why he couldn't do that with Fedor as well. my though is we'll see this fight in Oct or Nov on CBS, but we'll see how the negotiations with M-1 go.Abrantes said:I think this could play very nicely into bettor's hands for the looming Fedor-Overeem fight. The same people that thought Rogers would kill Overeem because of how "good" he looked against Fedor are now going to hop on AO's bandwagon, and could make for a very affordable, sub -200 line for Fedor in that fight. Looking forward to it - unfortunately, it's probably a year away.
Because Fedor is a Sambo champion and Rogers has never done any grappling at any level.
if it is settled in the clinch, Overeem's knees could create some damage. and i don't remember how Rogers got Fedor in the mount, but i'm pretty sure he was there. could definately be wrong though.and all i know is i'm just hoping we get to see the fight. i could see the negotiations with M-1 postpone the fight and M-1 get Fedor to fight Big Silva instead. We'll seeRogers mounted Fedor?Fedor has some of the best balance of anyone in the HW division and he's got very good judo, while Rogers balance is poor. So I wouldn't expect Ubereem to throw Fedor around in the clinch as easily as he did Rogers. That said, I was very impressed with Overeem's standup in this fight. He seems extremely comfortable standing in punching range and just moved enough to be on the end of Rogers' punches. Fedor is the only other HW that seemingly does that. If Fedor faces Overeem, I think this fight will be settled in the clinch. Both guys tend to step towards their opponent when their opponent throws strikes, and they both have a good sense of range so that they won't be winging punches while out of range (something Rogers did a few times.) Fedor is very good at throwing strikes to set up clinch throws (Machida does this really well too) and that is probably the way he can beat Overeem. Long right hook > clinch > trip/throw > top position > sub.i don't know here bud, Fedor hasn't exactly looked that dominating in his last 2 fights. Maybe i am being suckered in again here, but Arlovski was doing well with the stand-up before his flying knee incident, and Rogers had Fedor in a full mount last fight. Uuuvereeeem didn't have the chance to show anything because Rogers looked kind of pathetic. If Overeem could thrown Rogers around like that, I don't know why he couldn't do that with Fedor as well. my though is we'll see this fight in Oct or Nov on CBS, but we'll see how the negotiations with M-1 go.Abrantes said:I think this could play very nicely into bettor's hands for the looming Fedor-Overeem fight. The same people that thought Rogers would kill Overeem because of how "good" he looked against Fedor are now going to hop on AO's bandwagon, and could make for a very affordable, sub -200 line for Fedor in that fight. Looking forward to it - unfortunately, it's probably a year away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCZhDGQCGgkRogers mounted Fedor?Fedor has some of the best balance of anyone in the HW division and he's got very good judo, while Rogers balance is poor. So I wouldn't expect Ubereem to throw Fedor around in the clinch as easily as he did Rogers.i don't know here bud, Fedor hasn't exactly looked that dominating in his last 2 fights. Maybe i am being suckered in again here, but Arlovski was doing well with the stand-up before his flying knee incident, and Rogers had Fedor in a full mount last fight. Uuuvereeeem didn't have the chance to show anything because Rogers looked kind of pathetic. If Overeem could thrown Rogers around like that, I don't know why he couldn't do that with Fedor as well. my though is we'll see this fight in Oct or Nov on CBS, but we'll see how the negotiations with M-1 go.Abrantes said:
That said, I was very impressed with Overeem's standup in this fight. He seems extremely comfortable standing in punching range and just moved enough to be on the end of Rogers' punches. Fedor is the only other HW that seemingly does that.
If Fedor faces Overeem, I think this fight will be settled in the clinch. Both guys tend to step towards their opponent when their opponent throws strikes, and they both have a good sense of range so that they won't be winging punches while out of range (something Rogers did a few times.) Fedor is very good at throwing strikes to set up clinch throws (Machida does this really well too) and that is probably the way he can beat Overeem. Long right hook > clinch > trip/throw > top position > sub.