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Man that was a black eye for MMA PPV. Rousey may have just cost here self a lot of money at no fault of her own. She doesn't have anyone to fight unless she fights that Cyborg chic, and if she beats Cyborg she is done. No one is going to pay to watch her destroy other women.
Dana White would disagree with you
He would be wrong :shrug:
did you watch the post fight show interview with Dana White? I did ....he would disagree with you
What is Dana going to say? He HAS to paint a pretty picture around Roussey.

 
Man that was a black eye for MMA PPV. Rousey may have just cost here self a lot of money at no fault of her own. She doesn't have anyone to fight unless she fights that Cyborg chic, and if she beats Cyborg she is done. No one is going to pay to watch her destroy other women.
Dana White would disagree with you
He would be wrong :shrug:
did you watch the post fight show interview with Dana White? I did ....he would disagree with you
What is Dana going to say? He HAS to paint a pretty picture around Roussey.
i wish i could find the interview....basically said even though she ends fights so fast the fans arent disappointed...they are jumping out of there seats in excitement...People loved watching Mike Tyson destroy people FAST...didnt phase his PPV sells at all...Dana would just have to make her a co-main event and make the main event really really competitive...i would rather spend the money to see RR fight and win in 15 seconds than watch Floyd Mayweather in a 12 rd snorefest

 
Man that was a black eye for MMA PPV. Rousey may have just cost here self a lot of money at no fault of her own. She doesn't have anyone to fight unless she fights that Cyborg chic, and if she beats Cyborg she is done. No one is going to pay to watch her destroy other women.
Dana White would disagree with you
He would be wrong :shrug:
did you watch the post fight show interview with Dana White? I did ....he would disagree with you
I don't care what he said, just bc he says something doesn't make it right. I'm fairly certain the majority of people who purchased last night have buyer's remorse.

 
Ok, i thought of a somewhat bad comparison with this Rousey vs. a male. Think of Royce Gracie when he started. He beat dudes twice his side, with really horrible striking ability. I think you guys underestimate judo, and specifically Rousey's judo.

Something good to listen to is some of the breakdowns after fights of techniques and moves. Rousey's ability to set-up those armbars is something the BJJ specialists talk about as truly incredible. she has tons of ways to set it up, and when you hear the details of the techniques you can understand how she can stand a chance competing.
Bar none she has the best submission offense and judo pound for pound in MMA. Male or female. The set up on that armbar was out of this world impressive.

 
Dana won't even let Ronda fight Cyborg, and people are talking about her beating a male UFC fighter? Wolf tickets!
well seeing she isnt even in the UFC ad she would have to move down in weight im not sure Dana has anything to say about it ...at this time
Come on, my man....Rousey originally fought at 145 and both she and Dana were all about a fight with Carano at that weight. Meanwhile a fight with Cyborg would be the highest watched women's fight in history and one of the biggest superfights the UFC could make right now, yet they flat refuse to do it at 145 or even at a catchweight.

 
Dana won't even let Ronda fight Cyborg, and people are talking about her beating a male UFC fighter? Wolf tickets!
well seeing she isnt even in the UFC ad she would have to move down in weight im not sure Dana has anything to say about it ...at this time
Come on, my man....Rousey originally fought at 145 and both she and Dana were all about a fight with Carano at that weight. Meanwhile a fight with Cyborg would be the highest watched women's fight in history and one of the biggest superfights the UFC could make right now, yet they flat refuse to do it at 145 or even at a catchweight.
"(Ronda) will fight her in a minute if she can make 135 pounds," UFC promoter Dana White told the media after the bout. "She wants to fight her. She won't say it. I'll say it." :shrug:

 
Dana won't even let Ronda fight Cyborg, and people are talking about her beating a male UFC fighter? Wolf tickets!
well seeing she isnt even in the UFC ad she would have to move down in weight im not sure Dana has anything to say about it ...at this time
Come on, my man....Rousey originally fought at 145 and both she and Dana were all about a fight with Carano at that weight. Meanwhile a fight with Cyborg would be the highest watched women's fight in history and one of the biggest superfights the UFC could make right now, yet they flat refuse to do it at 145 or even at a catchweight.
"(Ronda) will fight her in a minute if she can make 135 pounds," UFC promoter Dana White told the media after the bout. "She wants to fight her. She won't say it. I'll say it." :shrug:
exactly - that's basically saying she won't fight her. Neither Carano or Cyborg are gonna make 135, yet Dana and RR are willing to sign a higher weight fight with only one of them, and it's not the superfight that everyone wants to see that would make boatloads of $. Yet people are telling themselves that Ronda's such an unstoppable freight train that she can take out UFC-level men? She's a heck of a fighter but let's not lose our minds here.

 
Ok, i thought of a somewhat bad comparison with this Rousey vs. a male. Think of Royce Gracie when he started. He beat dudes twice his side, with really horrible striking ability. I think you guys underestimate judo, and specifically Rousey's judo.

Something good to listen to is some of the breakdowns after fights of techniques and moves. Rousey's ability to set-up those armbars is something the BJJ specialists talk about as truly incredible. she has tons of ways to set it up, and when you hear the details of the techniques you can understand how she can stand a chance competing.
Right. Gracie had an exceptional skill when he started that no one knew how to deal with. If he walked into the UFC tomorrow, he wouldn't be able to dominate his weight class much less guys twice his size. It's the same for Rousey. There's just a big skill gap in an area that others aren't prepared for hence the "talent pool disparity" comments. 20 years from now, Ronda Rousey's skillset will be completely lacking for what women's MMA is then.

I'm not sure she'd be able to beat anyone on the UFC roster that's bantamweight and up. They may not be judo medalists but they have the collective wisdom of 20+ years of men's modern MMA skills and training that make them extremely well rounded fighters. A "random" Jabroni at BW like Bryan Caraway would beat Rousey. Eddie Wineland is way down the ladder at BW and she wouldn't beat him.

 
Dana has no interest in having Cyborg fight Rousey. They can talk all they want about how much they want it to happen. Might as well say Aldo wants to fight Velasquez if he can make 145.

 
Dana won't even let Ronda fight Cyborg, and people are talking about her beating a male UFC fighter? Wolf tickets!
well seeing she isnt even in the UFC ad she would have to move down in weight im not sure Dana has anything to say about it ...at this time
Come on, my man....Rousey originally fought at 145 and both she and Dana were all about a fight with Carano at that weight. Meanwhile a fight with Cyborg would be the highest watched women's fight in history and one of the biggest superfights the UFC could make right now, yet they flat refuse to do it at 145 or even at a catchweight.
"(Ronda) will fight her in a minute if she can make 135 pounds," UFC promoter Dana White told the media after the bout. "She wants to fight her. She won't say it. I'll say it." :shrug:
exactly - that's basically saying she won't fight her. Neither Carano or Cyborg are gonna make 135, yet Dana and RR are willing to sign a higher weight fight with only one of them, and it's not the superfight that everyone wants to see that would make boatloads of $. Yet people are telling themselves that Ronda's such an unstoppable freight train that she can take out UFC-level men? She's a heck of a fighter but let's not lose our minds here.
i just watched Cyborgs fight the other night vs Tweet ,who Ronda beat easily btw,and she looks strong as usual....im guessing that the weight issue is more about gaining an advantage over an obviously stronger opponent in Cyborg....if she can get her to fight at a lower weight she may lose some of her strength advantage...lets face it...cyborg is basically a man with boobs...she even sounds like a man ...but ultimately the fight will come off ...anyone knows that once you weigh in at the fight weight you can gain your natural weight back by fight time so whats the difference

 
Ok, i thought of a somewhat bad comparison with this Rousey vs. a male. Think of Royce Gracie when he started. He beat dudes twice his side, with really horrible striking ability. I think you guys underestimate judo, and specifically Rousey's judo.

Something good to listen to is some of the breakdowns after fights of techniques and moves. Rousey's ability to set-up those armbars is something the BJJ specialists talk about as truly incredible. she has tons of ways to set it up, and when you hear the details of the techniques you can understand how she can stand a chance competing.
Right. Gracie had an exceptional skill when he started that no one knew how to deal with. If he walked into the UFC tomorrow, he wouldn't be able to dominate his weight class much less guys twice his size. It's the same for Rousey. There's just a big skill gap in an area that others aren't prepared for hence the "talent pool disparity" comments. 20 years from now, Ronda Rousey's skillset will be completely lacking for what women's MMA is then.

I'm not sure she'd be able to beat anyone on the UFC roster that's bantamweight and up. They may not be judo medalists but they have the collective wisdom of 20+ years of men's modern MMA skills and training that make them extremely well rounded fighters. A "random" Jabroni at BW like Bryan Caraway would beat Rousey. Eddie Wineland is way down the ladder at BW and she wouldn't beat him.
Spot on.

 
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.

 
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Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else

 
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.

UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.

 
I think you guys are missing it, but oh well. She doesn't have to beat a male to be a top athlete or a truly special athlete like a Jordan or Montana. but to each their own. I just think it is hard to come up with any female athlete that seems to be this dominant or gifted.
I don't think anyone is saying she's not a tremendous athlete and great fighter. They're saying she'd lose badly to a trained male fighter (which is true). The two are not mutually exclusive. The US Women's National hockey team trains here in MN and has lost several times to boys High School teams. And not even the best boys teams. And the games are no-checking. That's some of the very elite women players in the world losing to high school boys most of which will not even play college hockey. As FC said earlier, it's just not the same.

 
JuniorNB said:
BustedKnuckles said:
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
Really want to see the PPV numbers... I feel like we would've gotten a sneak peek if they were better than anticipated.

 
JuniorNB said:
BustedKnuckles said:
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
well whats he supposed to do? create female fighting robots? he has to work with what he has...shes the champ and needs to defend her title vs the next ranked opponent...im not sure what you`re saying ...sounds like you think hes purposely trying to trick people into watching her fight?

 
JuniorNB said:
BustedKnuckles said:
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
well whats he supposed to do? create female fighting robots? he has to work with what he has...shes the champ and needs to defend her title vs the next ranked opponent...im not sure what you`re saying ...sounds like you think hes purposely trying to trick people into watching her fight?
Not saying that at all. It's just getting harder and harder to promote her fights. Unless he hopes people pay money to see if she ends it in 15 seconds or 45 seconds. The opponent are just going to keep getting worse. She's fought and destroyed all tje top ones. Rousey/Cyborg is going to have to happen eventually. And I get the 10 pound difference in weight. They'll work around it somehow. There's one person on earth that is a worthy opponent to Rousey. Dana is a smart man. He'll figure it out
 
JuniorNB said:
BustedKnuckles said:
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
Really want to see the PPV numbers... I feel like we would've gotten a sneak peek if they were better than anticipated.
Dave Meltzer said he is thinking it will be 300, maybe in the 400s

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
It depends on how the PPV buys come in on this last card. If it's something bad like 200K and her next card is similar or worse, that's when suddenly you'll see that Rousey agrees to fight Cyborg at 145. If this card comes in at 300K+, they can sit and wait.

 
There have been dominant fighters before. Anderson Silva and GSP are recent ones that come to mind. Yet somehow Dana White was able to promote and sell their fights. It will be no different with Rousey.

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.

UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.

 
I think you guys are missing it, but oh well. She doesn't have to beat a male to be a top athlete or a truly special athlete like a Jordan or Montana. but to each their own. I just think it is hard to come up with any female athlete that seems to be this dominant or gifted.
I don't think anyone is saying she's not a tremendous athlete and great fighter. They're saying she'd lose badly to a trained male fighter (which is true). The two are not mutually exclusive.The US Women's National hockey team trains here in MN and has lost several times to boys High School teams. And not even the best boys teams. And the games are no-checking. That's some of the very elite women players in the world losing to high school boys most of which will not even play college hockey. As FC said earlier, it's just not the same.
I've said many times that top HS boys will be better than the female pros in their sport. It's true for just about any sport I follow and know about. There was a 20 year old kid who took Olympic gold in 2012 for judo that was right around Rousey's weight class. 18 year old him would've been good enough to beat Rousey at her best.

 
JuniorNB said:
BustedKnuckles said:
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
im not sure hes trying to fool anyone ...he can only put what he has in the cage with her...its not his fault shes so much better than everyone else
he's a promoter. He's selling a product. And anyone knowledgeable about the UFC knows there's no one left who even has a chance. Does he have her fight Tate again? With the tag line being that she has no chance but will probably last a round? Dana is a smart man. Rousey is becoming a huge name and draw. He's getting to the point where he needs Cyborg.
Really want to see the PPV numbers... I feel like we would've gotten a sneak peek if they were better than anticipated.
Dave Meltzer said he is thinking it will be 300, maybe in the 400s
Pretty much no chance of a Cyborg-Rousey fight if this is true. 400K is the type of draw you'd expect if Jones fought some nobody on last minute's notice in an otherwise weak card. Regularly pulling in 350K makes her a top draw right now. It's twice as much as the lighter weight classes get.

It's a shame though. If they announced Rousey-Cyborg, it'd do 800K buys at a mininum. They could have the rest of the card be people they picked at random from the crowd. Do the fight at 145. If Rousey wins, she's a 2 weight class champ. If Rousey loses, oh well she's still the 135 lb champ. If it's a great fight, they can do it a second time.

 
No discussion of Lesnar at the event last night? You think he's legitimately thinking of signing with the UFC or is he just using this to put pressure on WWE? They way he left last time, I felt like he'd never come back.

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.

UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
Would Gina even crack the top 10 in her weight class at this point?

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
What does this mean? Why is Cyborg a cheater?
 
No discussion of Lesnar at the event last night? You think he's legitimately thinking of signing with the UFC or is he just using this to put pressure on WWE? They way he left last time, I felt like he'd never come back.
Dana said he was just there to watch the fights....he said no talks have been planned ...he also said Brock is still under contract with the WWE

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
What does this mean? Why is Cyborg a cheater?
She was caught using winstrol (steroids) the same stuff that ben johnson used in the olympics)

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
Would Gina even crack the top 10 in her weight class at this point?
Probably not. Wouldn't prevent UFC from just throwing her a "Top 10" rank though :lol:

Would be one of the highest purchased PPV's in UFC history.

 
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JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
Would Gina even crack the top 10 in her weight class at this point?
Probably not. Wouldn't prevent UFC from just throwing her a "Top 10" rank though :lol: Would be one of the highest purchased PPV's in UFC history.
And the quickest, hottest title fight ever.

 
JuniorNB said:
Dana is going to have no choice but to sign Cyborg and have her fight Rousey. His golden goose has run out of opponents that he can try fooling the public into thinking have a chance.
Until she proves she can make the weight, I wouldnt count on it unless UFC creates a 145 division.UFC has no use for her until then. Cyborg's been #####ing about making 135 how long now? So we're supposed to expect she'll suddenly be able to? As has been stated 1000 times now, Rousey is not budging. There's no catchweight fight. I for one am thrilled with Rousey's stance.
Unless it's Gina Carano.
Yep Rousey's stated she'll move up for a Gina fight. Not for a cheater like Cyborg.
Would Gina even crack the top 10 in her weight class at this point?
Probably not. Wouldn't prevent UFC from just throwing her a "Top 10" rank though :lol:

Would be one of the highest purchased PPV's in UFC history.
Shameful if true. Carano hasn't fought in 6 years and she was brutalized her last fight. Cyborg's takedowns were horrible though. :lmao:

 
Wait, people really think Rousey could beat a professional male fighter? She's a great athlete, but lets be a little bit realistic here. Genetically, males produce this thing called testorene is an anabolic steroid. So she would be fighting someone who has had more competition their whole life and been on steroids when compared to herself. Yeah, she would be lucky to last 14 seconds.
she could have taken bobby riggs in his prime.

 

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