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Rust is the only reason I can see to go against him. He's fought most of the best dudes at 155 and his only losses are to the current champ and a former champ. Dunham looks like a promising young talent, but TG is a big step up in talent over anyone he's faced.
Should've also lost to Thiago Tavares, but the judges at ringside were blind. :(
For real. Being perfectly honest, though, his decision win over Guida right before the Tavares fight was even more baffling.
I definately am waiting to see the line and will grab Court when it comes out as well. betting the TUF finales can be a gold mine sometimes because the line makers base their lines off the show, and there have been some heavy dogs that win on those cards. I think the Yaeger-Rich line will be interesting. I remember seeing Yaeger on the Iron RingMcGee / Tavares should have been the final.
(that show set back the black community a decade or 2, just embarrasing), and he has adequate/flashy stand-up/, so i wouldn't be surprised to see him be the favorite, making a bet on Rich a good one if he has good odds. I think Kacey did enough to earn the fight from the show (I think Yaeger's whole deal was an act, working off the Junie/Matrione factor), but i think they want to push Rich A. for some reason. And i really was hopping Nick would make the finale card as well, but maybe his knee is still hurt. here is the card:MAIN CARD•Matt Hamill vs. Keith Jardine•Court McGee vs. Kris McCray•Chris Leben vs. Aaron Simpson•Spencer Fisher vs. Dennis Siver•Rich Attonito vs. Jamie YagerPRELIMINARY CARD •John Gunderson vs. Mark Holst•Seth Baczynski vs. Brad Tavares•Josh Bryant vs. Kyle Noke •Chris Camozzi vs. James Hammortree•Travis Browne vs. James McSweeney
nice snag with grabbing Thiago at -170. I think when i checked the lines he was -260. I think Ahrn posted it earlier, but i am a big Kampmann fan as well, but i think he loses this. I also am thinking a little bit with you about Cro Cop,and if he gets near +130 or something i will hedge a bit of my Barry bet. I think Barry has trained well for this fight, and i am not sure how Cro Cop wins without KO'ing Barry. I heard the arguments about Cro Cop maybe having an advantage on the ground, but I think Barry has improved his training camps since his loss to Hague. i actually think he won a grappling tournament a little bit ago, but i could be wrong (some interview with Ariel Helwanni at a UFC show)and why the love for Miranda? I am not too familiar with him, or maybe i just can't place the face right now. and a fight that should be a real good one on the undercard is Condit-McCrory. Really think that should be on the Spike prelim show, even though that would take it off the main card. Both guys could use the push with some more exposure. I don't know why the UFC keeps pushing Danzig and Wiman with putting them on the Spike prelims either, maybe they think that will pull in viewers. I was a Danzig fan before he went to TUF, and i don't know what happened to him.sheerterror said:
I grabbed Honrbuckle at -160 shortly after the lines went up, and for the life of me i can't figure out why this line hasn't moved more. Hornbuckle has been at -160 for weeks now, and my only guess is people jsut aren't putting any money on this fight because i don't know how you can have a lot of confidence in Askren on this one. I think i may put more on this fight as well after this UFC card. My account balance is dreadfully low because of some over-excitement with the Flyers, and hopefully some of these MMA cards coming up can breathe some life back into it.
Crap, sorryBeen avoiding most MMA related web stuff until I catch last night's TUF.
. i just saw the episode a few hours ago and thought it was in the clear
I never check this thread before watching a TUF episode.Crap, sorry
. i just saw the episode a few hours ago and thought it was in the clear
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Wow. Rules.I have to say, this is heck of a board game:
http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com...4
I love that you can play as Andy Wang.
Loiseau's a pretty one dimentional striker giving up a substantial reach advantage to a guy with better striking and more of a ground game in Miranda. I'll factor in a little bit of the fact that Miranda's probably out of the UFC if he suffers a second consecutive loss - the first having been to Gerald Harris who is a beast IMO. I'm still waiting on this one, but I think Miranda's got a good shot to carve out a nice little career in the UFC and it may very well start with a win against a guy with name and not all that much else in Loiseau.I'm pretty confident that Cro Cop will likely lose this fight, but for the first time in my life I'm really considering just a blind fade on what is an overwhelming consensus opinion. It'll be a half unit bet at most, just enough to pat myself on the back if it wins, but not enough to be truly pissed if it loses.
Wow. Rules.I have to say, this is heck of a board game:
http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com...4
I love that you can play as Andy Wang.
"Hello Japan" , move back 11 spaces
Holy ####, that is amazing. "Fight Fedor: go back to the beginning." Indeed, my friend.
Your debacle was because of Diego and Rampage right? Rampage-Rashad was a tough call, and I think only Sebowski felt that Diego was in trouble. Still not sure what would have shown the downfall of Diego, and trying to see how to not miss that again. I think part of the point Sebowski brought up with Diego not evolving is linked to being with a "weak" camp and training partners. A heck of a lot of assuming on my part, but it might be a good indicator of guys who will level out. K-Flo is a good example, and so is Koscheck, of guys who expand their training, and get past relying on their athleticism.Ended up with the followingaulo Thiago -150 1.5u to win 1uMario Miranda -200 2u to win 1uBen Rothwell -145 1.45u to win 1uRory MacDonald -130 1.3u to win 1uI'll likely drunkenly add a bet on Franklin if the line drops any lower with my local. Money's been pouring in on Chuck since people found out he had abs.This is actually a pretty decent card despite the lackluster main event. Should be a bunch of competitive, entertaining matchups. Hoping for a bounceback after my UFC 114 debacle.
Kampmann tempts me too. I still think Thiago is a painfully under-rated fighter though, so i will likely add to Barry if I do anything. I just took Franklin at -110 for a little, with the thought that hopefully the line swings back and i can get Chuck with some + money. the line for this fight has been all over the place, with both guys having plus numbers at different points. And the free prelims o Spike are a great call by the UFC. They have me tempted to get this PPV when i had no intention to (UFC 116 is a must buy). That Danzig-Wyman fight was a little crazy, and good response by Danzig after it (trying to avoid any spoiler)
There might not be any title implications tonight, but the matchups are fantastic. I only have the main event as a possibility for a decision.
I think we're safe, i didn't mention the part where Danzig did a flying arm triangle and flipped Wyman over into an Omoplata. Oh, whoops
you're looking at it.
this thread has apparently concentrated the UFC/MMA interest.tonight I got:MacDonaldYvel (completely not sure about this one)ThiagoBarry (but oh how I'd love for Cro Cop to take this and shine one last time)and I'm picking the Iceman to take the decision win against Franklinalso, I'm picking myself in 6 rounds vs. this bottle of Bacardi<Mills Lane voice> let's get it on!
agreed, but i have seen worse. His eye looked a mess after the fight. Tough break for the kid, but he handled it well
yeah, lots of typical Rogan hype going on. I thought the first round went to MacDonald, second round was harder to score, but I thought the stoppage was pretty bad. Condit was pounding on him pretty good but I didn't think MacDonald was defending himself any worse at the end than he was through most of the last two minutes or so.
it's funny watching it without listening to Goldie and Rogan. I watched it in French for Rampage-Rashad (not proud of that, but i have bought almsot every PPV except for 1 or 2 from about 56 on, so i didn't feel too bad), and you certainly get a different opinion of the fight. It was funny because i was listening to the commentary and not watching it as much, and the commentary had you thinking it was almost certain that Rory won the first 2 rounds. it did look like the 3rd could go 10-8 though, making it a draw. And i am thinking if i am on this card and getting ready, i would want to avoid the judges. Not sure how they saw the Griffin-Dunham fight 29-28 for Griffin
Rothwell looks like he is better shape than he has been recentlyNoticeably lighter IMO
Pretty crazy fight, not exactly what i was expecting. I have liked Yvel for a bit, even though he has been a deuche in the past. He has either matured or something, but he seems to be sorry for all of that. Not looking great for him, but he has improved his gameEDIT: I can't tell if Rothwell's ground game has been over-rated or if Yvel is that powerful and has a pretty good ground game at this point
haaa, beat me to it
Have to protect the fighter there. Better if the ref doesn't know/care how much time is left. A stoppage is a stoppage.
i competely agree with the bolded. It would be a great way to allow commissions to further evaluate their judges too. Strange when 2 judges give one guy 30-27, and the other guy gives the fight 29-28 for the other guy. Not saying Dunham winning was that obvious, but always strange when the judges see fights that different. I guess the judges only have to hand their cards in at the end of the fights? If so, i wonder if they really judge each round independent of the others, or not
Griffin has experience at winning bull#### decisions. Can't say I'm surprised.
but by that reasoning why didn't he stop the fight anytime in the last two minutes, though? I just felt like MacDonald was defending himself at about the same level at the stopping point as he had been through most of the round, so why pick that moment?no big deal though, most everyone seems to feel it was a fair stoppage.
McGee / Tavares should have been the final.
