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i made myself a deal that if Kampmann got to +200 i would take him. He went to +205 right before the fight, so i jumped in for a little bit. 1st round looked pretty good, for Kampmann's sake i would like to see him win and get back in the title hunt
The guy who scored it in Griffin's favor should be fired on the spot. Or shot. No idea how you could possibly give two rounds to Griffin, or even which rounds they possibly could've been.Griffin has experience at winning bull#### decisions. Can't say I'm surprised.
No idea. that was really unexpected. Hope the former. guessing Kampmann will get a top contender for his next fight. We'll find out soon enough.
at cro cops intro song...sounds like a ####y 80s movie
I'm hoping he leaves with one
Sucks losing money like that. Barry was way too nice in that fight.
Seriously, i felt like it was Sherk vs. Edgar for me again. It may have been too nice. My thought was that he wanted to continue testing himself some more, and was letting Cro Cop up knowing that he didn't want to win that way and wanted to gain more exp. from fighting Cro Cop. Maybe he was even aiming for the Fight of the Night award so him and Cro Cop could get paid?Funniest thing about that fight for me was i got a little nervous when Cro Cop walked out to his infamous Duran Duran, and i hedged a little off my bet with taking Cro Cop at +145. I then plopped a good chunk on Franklin at even odds, so i got lucky.
I think that is going to be the consensus, but I would like to see Chuck make a deal with Dana for just one more fight. Let him fight Tito in a year or whenever, and let him get that fight he wanted to come back for. I agree it is scary seeing Chuck get killed over and over again, but 8 months to a year, and let Chuck get his fight with Tito, and win or lose, retire after that.
Meh. All Dunham did was hang on the Griffin's back for a few minutes - nothing else.
No way. The dude just got KOed by a one-armed Rich Franklin. I'm not sure there's a fighter at 205 that couldn't flash-KO Liddell right now, and I just couldn't live with the imagine of Tito doing it.I love me some Chuck Liddell, but he needs to go away forever.THRILLED with Cro Cop!Wowed by Kampman.Never want to see Rothwell on a main card again.
Dunham pretty much worked him over every round IMO. I'm not saying he destroyed him or anything, but I definitely had every round for Dunham. Curious as to how you scored it?
I agree with Carleton. Chuck already has made Tito his #####. He gains next to nothing by beating him again, and if he loses to Tito and THEN has to retire....ooof.
Iceman has lost five of the past six fights (four by KO or TKO). Dana White shouldn't have allowed Liddell to fight anymore after the TKO loss to Shogun, and he definitely shouldn't have been headlining a UFC event. You can see it in his eyes, Chuck is punch drunk.
I thought Griffin won the stand-up pretty easily and gave him the first round. I thought the third was 10-10 as Griffin again won the stand-up (but for not as long) but slipped, which allowed Dunham to get his back again. Then I fell asleep as absolutely nothing happened.Seriously though, please complain when wrestlers lay-and-pray. This was the same thing, except with a saddle.
Liddell has lost his KO power. A few years ago, the punches he landed last night would have put Franklin out a few times. If he can't knock anyone out, he'll have to win a decision, and there isn't anyone at 205 that can't KO Liddell in a 15-minute fight.
It seems Dana has "guaranteed" wew won't see Chuck fight in the UFC again, so as much as my heart would love to see Chuck pummel Tito again, i don't think we'll see it
I like the Fight metric reports, and they usually help to statistically tell who won the fight. http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Dunham-Griffin.html
Does anyone really want to see Liddell/Ortiz III at this point? The only way I would watch it is if Dana White placed it on Spike for free.
He's said that a dozen times before. At the end of the day White is a great business man and has a huge ego. If he feels Chuck would leave for a competator he'll give him another fight. Chuck will always have marketability.I'd like to see a Tito vs Chuck fight. Many are down on Ortiz but the guy works harder than anyone and at his age you just don't lose it. He's as technical and balanced a fighter as there is in MMA.
better than me - I went 0 for 5 on the televised fights.lol at 2 for 7.
Chuck looked really bad last night to me - I thought he looked a lot more awkward and stiff than usual, and his punches were way off-target for the most part. He did look like he was in the best shape physically he's been in a long time, and I liked that he mixed up his attacks a lot more than in recent fights (the foot catch-to-takedown was pretty nice), but overall he's a shadow of his old self.prime Chuck was a lot of fun to watch and it sucks seeing him go out like this, but I don't see the point in trotting him out there again against Tito or anybody else after what happened last night. He's done - he needs to hang it up and enjoy his legacy, maybe join the broadcast team or something.
I'm going to this card and want to put something on someone. I like both these fighters. I am leaning towards Babalu for the reasons you mentioned.
Interesting, i'm on the other side with taking Lawlor. Robbie has always been a larger MW, and Babalu has always been a smaller LHW, so i don't think there will be too much of a size difference. The thing with Robbie putting on the 10 lbs., is more about him not having to cut weight for the event, rather then add on 10 lbs. of muscle. Looking at their last fights, Lawlor had a good one with manhoef and babalu got destroyed by Moussasi. Babalu has the advantage on the ground, but has never had exceptional takedowns, and I don't think he can take Robbie down (Lawlor has better than average takedown defense). Lawlor's losing to submission artists is a little tricky. he lost to Mayhem 4 years ago by a triangle which i can't remeber that fight off the top of my head, and the guillotine loss he had to Shields just seemed like a real dumb move by Robbie. The more i think about it, the more I like Lawlor here. I am just not sure what babalu brings to the table that he can do to Robbie. Without being able to take Lawlor down, i don't see how he will lure Lawlor into a sumbmission. And looking at who Babalu has fought and beat lately, I think Lawlor is a step up for him (Mike Whitehead, Southworth, David Heath and Sokoudju).
I like the Heun play as well and will probably make a small wager that way. Mike Hammersmith from mmamafia.net also picked Heun and has a nice write up there. He sets his own lines often before the fights come out and his analysis is pretty thoughtful.
Lawler was getting beat on pretty bad in that fight. He is excellent at judging distances and using it to his advantage, which is why his take down defense is so good. I still think Sobral will be able to manhandle him to the mat or catch him in a standing guillotine.
Cliff Clavin said:
if that bomb hadn't landed we might have seen Robbie's leg actually get chopped off by those kicks Manhoef was throwing, those things were freakin' brutal. Lawler's pretty fun to watch but I think Sobral's got too much size/skill for him.I'm really interested in seeing how Zaromskis bounces back from the Nick Diaz loss - he had trouble with Diaz's size and Santos is another guy who's going to have a size advantage on him, although he's not nearly as good as Diaz.good week for Strikeforce here with tonight's event and then the Fedor fight this Saturday - I'm really looking forward to that one.
You're right, poor choice of wording. I remember the fight pretty well because my money was on Melvin in that one. My only argument with him in that one is that he did a good job of weathering the storm and it goes to what Hooter said about him judging distance and read Melvin well.Cliff Clavin said:
I'm not sure I can call taking repeated, viscous leg kicks, weathering the storm. Lawlor Russow'ed him.
