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[modogg]

I like the post-PPV show that ESPN 2 does. They have done a good job getting a panel that brings good information to the show.

 

[flapgreen]

Is the 10 minute first of Pride better?

I loved me some Pride. Not having that stupid cage to lean on made things much more entertaining.

 

[flapgreen]

Gotta give Rashad props for surviving the flurry of punches from Rampage. I thought he was out.

In his prime, I'm pretty sure those punches would have easily knocked Rashad unconscious. Rampage had the fists of steel at one point. One solid hit and you were out, much less a few in a row while laying on your back. Even Rampage admitted he put all of his eggs into one basket there. That doesn't sound like the Rampage of old

 

[modogg]

Gotta give Rashad props for surviving the flurry of punches from Rampage. I thought he was out. In his prime, I'm pretty sure those punches would have easily knocked Rashad unconscious. Rampage had the fists of steel at one point. One solid hit and you were out, much less a few in a row while laying on your back. Even Rampage admitted he put all of his eggs into one basket there. That doesn't sound like the Rampage of old :(

on the post-PPV show on ESPN 2 they showed that Rashad was stunned by an incidental knee from Rampage when Rashad went for a takedown. Rampage had quite a few clean shots and Rashad weathered them better then i would have expected. Not sure where Rampage goes from here. I don;t think his acting career will jump off like he is hoping, so he will either have to get back in the groove and improve, or he could become a gatekeeper of sorts for the LHW division. And the media at the post-conference are idiots, Franklin McNeal being at the top of that list. Some of these guys keep talking about all the pre-fight hype and are acting like the fight did not even occur tonight

 

[3C's]

Gotta give Rashad props for surviving the flurry of punches from Rampage. I thought he was out. In his prime, I'm pretty sure those punches would have easily knocked Rashad unconscious. Rampage had the fists of steel at one point. One solid hit and you were out, much less a few in a row while laying on your back. Even Rampage admitted he put all of his eggs into one basket there. That doesn't sound like the Rampage of old :(

I think Rashad was right when he said (TUF) that Rampage is too slow and his head is too big. Rampage of old would have killed the best of Rashad.

 

[modogg]

Dana just brought up a good point at the post-conference, and that is how good of a match maker Joe Silva is. Everybody was dissapointed when they put Brilz in to replace Forrest, but it was a good pick. I also know, myself included, that people were questioning why Hathaway would get a shot at Diego, when Diego's last 2 fights at WW were Koscheck and Fitch.

In terms of gambling with the UFC, i think this is something to keep in mind when they put out the crazy lines with some of the fights.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I can see Hathaway on his way up while Diego is on his way down. Kind of like when Diego fought Karo when Karo was still a contender. Something just smells like a trap for me with that fight and I am staying away from it.

good call dude. Never expected that.

:(

 

[modogg]

I can see Hathaway on his way up while Diego is on his way down. Kind of like when Diego fought Karo when Karo was still a contender. Something just smells like a trap for me with that fight and I am staying away from it.

good call dude. Never expected that.

:(

Seriously. I completely didn't see it that way, and a great call by yourself. What made you think Diego was on his way down? Obviously after the fight it seems like he hasn't evolved at all, and maybe took Hathaway lightly, but i thought he would be alright after the Penn fight. Maybe a letdown after losing his shot at the title and seeing how he had to start all over

 

[Clayton Gray]

:( It wouldn't be a UFC thread without 3 or 4 "glad I didn't pay for it" posts. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

I thought this was a great night of fights, and I was completely sober.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

:( It wouldn't be a UFC thread without 3 or 4 "glad I didn't pay for it" posts. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

I thought this was a great night of fights, and I was completely sober.

It was a great event, aside from the main event. The main is how most people judge the quality of the card though.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Is the 10 minute first of Pride better?

I loved me some Pride. Not having that stupid cage to lean on made things much more entertaining.

I don't think it so much is the cage as it is the way fights are judged. There were only 2 moments of any significant offense in the main event, Rashad wobbling Rampage with a right hand in the 1st and Rashad nearly knocking himself out on Rampage's knee and punches that followed in the 3rd. If the judges scored only offense as they did in PRIDE, you'd see much more active and aggressive fights. The way most judges score fights in North America, pressing people against the cage and/or maintaining top position is a very effective strategy.The two Dream events in Japan that featured the cage didn't have much "wall n stall."

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I can see Hathaway on his way up while Diego is on his way down. Kind of like when Diego fought Karo when Karo was still a contender. Something just smells like a trap for me with that fight and I am staying away from it.

good call dude. Never expected that.

:(

Seriously. I completely didn't see it that way, and a great call by yourself. What made you think Diego was on his way down? Obviously after the fight it seems like he hasn't evolved at all, and maybe took Hathaway lightly, but i thought he would be alright after the Penn fight. Maybe a letdown after losing his shot at the title and seeing how he had to start all over

Great call on Hathaway. His striking looked very good and completely outclassed Diego. If Hathaway's takedown defense will allows him to stay on his feet, he can light people up on the feet at welterweight. Bright future for such a young guy.

 

[Radical Larry]

It wouldn't be a UFC thread without 3 or 4 "glad I didn't pay for it" posts. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

I thought this was a great night of fights, and I was completely sober.

And although the main event didn't lead up to the self-generated hype (they almost never do) there were some very exciting moments. The rest of the card was pretty sweet.

 

[Sebowski]

I can see Hathaway on his way up while Diego is on his way down. Kind of like when Diego fought Karo when Karo was still a contender. Something just smells like a trap for me with that fight and I am staying away from it.

good call dude. Never expected that.

Seriously. I completely didn't see it that way, and a great call by yourself. What made you think Diego was on his way down? Obviously after the fight it seems like he hasn't evolved at all, and maybe took Hathaway lightly, but i thought he would be alright after the Penn fight. Maybe a letdown after losing his shot at the title and seeing how he had to start all over

I was pretty much thinking that he hasn't evolved and used to get by by out-working his opponents. Diego isn't really great at anything except scrambles. IMO, watching Diego makes Kenny Florian's progression as a fighter that much more impressive. The Flo would probably be the favorite if they had a rematch.I ended up adding a unit on Rashad after all the late money went in on Rampage. Definetly made the fight mush more interesting. I was in to every clinch and takedown attempt knowing that it just took one mistake to get clipped.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

I'm getting sick of Dana White's "don't let it go to the judges" shtick. Dana probably has enough pull to make the NSAC or CSAC more accountable for the bad judging that oftentimes takes place. Don't blame the fighters or put it on them to change strategy based on the fact that other people cannot do their job.

 

[Sebowski]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

I'm getting sick of Dana White's "don't let it go to the judges" shtick. Dana probably has enough pull to make the NSAC or CSAC more accountable for the bad judging that oftentimes takes place. Don't blame the fighters or put it on them to change strategy based on the fact that other people cannot do their job.

Dana is right. If the fighter does his job well the judges don't have a job to do. Brilz should have ended the fight in the 2nd. I remember hearing that the UFC is trying to put together better judge training. I'm sure that is a sticky road though. These guys are appointed by the commissions. Calling them out after every ppv is all Dana can really do, and he does it.

 

[raisydaisy]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

I'm getting sick of Dana White's "don't let it go to the judges" shtick. Dana probably has enough pull to make the NSAC or CSAC more accountable for the bad judging that oftentimes takes place. Don't blame the fighters or put it on them to change strategy based on the fact that other people cannot do their job.

Dana is right. If the fighter does his job well the judges don't have a job to do. Brilz should have ended the fight in the 2nd. I remember hearing that the UFC is trying to put together better judge training. I'm sure that is a sticky road though. These guys are appointed by the commissions. Calling them out after every ppv is all Dana can really do, and he does it.

 

[EYLive]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

I'm getting sick of Dana White's "don't let it go to the judges" shtick. Dana probably has enough pull to make the NSAC or CSAC more accountable for the bad judging that oftentimes takes place. Don't blame the fighters or put it on them to change strategy based on the fact that other people cannot do their job.

Dana is right. If the fighter does his job well the judges don't have a job to do. Brilz should have ended the fight in the 2nd. I remember hearing that the UFC is trying to put together better judge training. I'm sure that is a sticky road though. These guys are appointed by the commissions. Calling them out after every ppv is all Dana can really do, and he does it.

How do you get fighters to strike more? Most guys want to balance offense and defense. You can't force guys to slug it out for 15 minutes even if their cardio could handle it. Neither guy wants to be the one that takes the risk of fighting recklessly and getting caught with a KO counter.

 

[Sebowski]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

I'm getting sick of Dana White's "don't let it go to the judges" shtick. Dana probably has enough pull to make the NSAC or CSAC more accountable for the bad judging that oftentimes takes place. Don't blame the fighters or put it on them to change strategy based on the fact that other people cannot do their job.

Dana is right. If the fighter does his job well the judges don't have a job to do. Brilz should have ended the fight in the 2nd. I remember hearing that the UFC is trying to put together better judge training. I'm sure that is a sticky road though. These guys are appointed by the commissions. Calling them out after every ppv is all Dana can really do, and he does it.

How do you get fighters to strike more? Most guys want to balance offense and defense. You can't force guys to slug it out for 15 minutes even if their cardio could handle it. Neither guy wants to be the one that takes the risk of fighting recklessly and getting caught with a KO counter.

You do know that there is more than one way to finish a fight, right?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I don't recall Dana every calling out a a specific judge after a fight.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

To me, saying "don't let the fight go to the judges" would be like telling someone to not take a charge in the NBA because who knows how the ref is going to call it.

 

[Sebowski]

To me, saying "don't let the fight go to the judges" would be like telling someone to not take a charge in the NBA because who knows how the ref is going to call it.

That is one of the worst analogies I have ever heard.Most analogies are severly flawed somewhere, but I'll take a crack at a couple for you.It is more like when the better team is clearly out playing the other team but they keep hanging around and then hit a full court prayer at the buzzer for the win. The better team's coach would then tell everyone they should have put them away when they could. Or in football the Hockuly game. People still ##### about that call in San Diego, but the truth is Denver still had to make the 2pt conversion and they did. On the same freaking play. Chargers had other chances to win and they did not capitalize.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I just got back in town and didn't get to see the fight. Does anyone know of a link where I can watch the replay?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I just got back in town and didn't get to see the fight. Does anyone know of a link where I can watch the replay?

mixedmartialartvideos dot com usually has them.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

To me, saying "don't let the fight go to the judges" would be like telling someone to not take a charge in the NBA because who knows how the ref is going to call it.

That is one of the worst analogies I have ever heard.Most analogies are severly flawed somewhere, but I'll take a crack at a couple for you.It is more like when the better team is clearly out playing the other team but they keep hanging around and then hit a full court prayer at the buzzer for the win. The better team's coach would then tell everyone they should have put them away when they could. Or in football the Hockuly game. People still ##### about that call in San Diego, but the truth is Denver still had to make the 2pt conversion and they did. On the same freaking play. Chargers had other chances to win and they did not capitalize.

I agree that my analogy may not be great, but it is a lot better than the ones you threw out there. Dana should be blaming the judges for poor decisions, not putting implicit blame on the fighters.

 

[modogg]

I was pretty much thinking that he hasn't evolved and used to get by by out-working his opponents. Diego isn't really great at anything except scrambles. IMO, watching Diego makes Kenny Florian's progression as a fighter that much more impressive. The Flo would probably be the favorite if they had a rematch.

I ended up adding a unit on Rashad after all the late money went in on Rampage. Definetly made the fight mush more interesting. I was in to every clinch and takedown attempt knowing that it just took one mistake to get clipped.

I agree, K-Flo would be the favorite against Diego, especially now. I am not sure where he goes from here. i think Dana said he wanted him back at LW, so maybe a Sean Sherk or something. he'll be a tough one to trust going forward. and there are some good events coming up soon. i know we have mentioned a few, and i wish i had the energy to throw up a nice list of what is coming up, but one i keep thinking about is taking Chuck +110 over Rich Franklin. A few things:

1. Chuck has been preparing to fight at this time, as opposed to Rich where i have no idea what he has been doing. I am guessing he probably is trying to develop a business with a gyum or something, and has kept maybe in shape, but maybe Chuck is more prepared?

2. Chuck has been destroyed laltely, but his KO's were due to guys who were quicker than Chuck. Rich has power, but i am not sure he is quicker.

3. I don't know if either will try and take this fight to the ground, so the stand-up seems to be the4 determiner here. I think Rich Franklin was training with Anderson Silva for a bit, is it possible he has evolved his game at all?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I was pretty much thinking that he hasn't evolved and used to get by by out-working his opponents. Diego isn't really great at anything except scrambles. IMO, watching Diego makes Kenny Florian's progression as a fighter that much more impressive. The Flo would probably be the favorite if they had a rematch.

I ended up adding a unit on Rashad after all the late money went in on Rampage. Definetly made the fight mush more interesting. I was in to every clinch and takedown attempt knowing that it just took one mistake to get clipped.

I agree, K-Flo would be the favorite against Diego, especially now. I am not sure where he goes from here. i think Dana said he wanted him back at LW, so maybe a Sean Sherk or something. he'll be a tough one to trust going forward. and there are some good events coming up soon. i know we have mentioned a few, and i wish i had the energy to throw up a nice list of what is coming up, but one i keep thinking about is taking Chuck +110 over Rich Franklin. A few things:

1. Chuck has been preparing to fight at this time, as opposed to Rich where i have no idea what he has been doing. I am guessing he probably is trying to develop a business with a gyum or something, and has kept maybe in shape, but maybe Chuck is more prepared?

2. Chuck has been destroyed laltely, but his KO's were due to guys who were quicker than Chuck. Rich has power, but i am not sure he is quicker.

3. I don't know if either will try and take this fight to the ground, so the stand-up seems to be the4 determiner here. I think Rich Franklin was training with Anderson Silva for a bit, is it possible he has evolved his game at all?

I'm not sure how you could take Chuck. He has taken some nasty beatings his last few times out and I thought it was really starting to show watching him on TUF.

 

[raisydaisy]

Who would have you guys taken with Chuck v Tito?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Who would have you guys taken with Chuck v Tito?

Tito but not by much.

 

[modogg]

Who would have you guys taken with Chuck v Tito?

Tito but not by much.

No way, I would have taken Chuck at anything better than -150. Looking at his last 5 fights though, he is 1-4. Lost to Jardine, Rampage, Rashad, and Shogun. He got KO'd with Rashad, Shogun, and TKO's with Rampage (i can't remember that Rampage fight for some reason off the top of my head). Rashad and Shogun and quicker than Franklin and Tito. If the Chuck that beat Wanderlei shows up to take on either Tito or Rich Franklin, I think he can win. The only KO i can think of from Franklin (off the top of my head again) is the Nate Quarry fight. All this being said, these would be light plays for me. It is prety difficult to invest in a stand-up fighter who has been KO'd a few times in a row. I honestly think Chuck could will himself to beat Tito, I just can't imagine him being able to live with himself if Tito won.EDIT: just to continue betting with Tito, I don't know how you can have any faith in him at this point. His body is practically broken. You can't bounce back from back and neck surgeries. We'll see, but if he can't get the power to take down Chuck, who has better than average takedown defense, I am not sure what Tito could do.

 

[raisydaisy]

Personally, I don't think Franklin or Tito have a chance. When you look just a who they beat, it is not close. Franklin and Ortiz do not have very many quality wins.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Dana White on the Brilz / Lil Nog decision:

http://is.gd/cx2wH

"I thought the decision was [expletive]," White said. "Listen, we're always in this position. I'm no [expletive] judge, but I thought Brilz won the fight.

"You can't leave it in the hands of these judges. You always hear me saying it, and guys keep doing it."

Brilz, a lightly regarded late replacement for Nogueira's original opponent, Forrest Griffin, appeared to most observers to have done enough to earn a closely contested opening period. The second frame was unquestionably his, while the third was clearly Nogueira's. But it was the closing seconds of the second frame, when a fatiguing Brilz failed to finish a wobbling Nogueira, that White ultimately believes cost the wrestler the fight – not the judges' observations of the opening round.

"I think Brilz could have knocked 'Little Nog' out at the end of the second round," White said. "He should have [expletive] went for it when 'Little Nog' was hurt."

Meh. That first round was toss-up all the way. What the judges need to do is award more 10-10 rounds.

 

[Clayton Gray]

Who would have you guys taken with Chuck v Tito?

Tito but not by much.

No way, I would have taken Chuck at anything better than -150. Looking at his last 5 fights though, he is 1-4. Lost to Jardine, Rampage, Rashad, and Shogun. He got KO'd with Rashad, Shogun, and TKO's with Rampage (i can't remember that Rampage fight for some reason off the top of my head). Rashad and Shogun and quicker than Franklin and Tito. If the Chuck that beat Wanderlei shows up to take on either Tito or Rich Franklin, I think he can win. The only KO i can think of from Franklin (off the top of my head again) is the Nate Quarry fight. All this being said, these would be light plays for me. It is prety difficult to invest in a stand-up fighter who has been KO'd a few times in a row. I honestly think Chuck could will himself to beat Tito, I just can't imagine him being able to live with himself if Tito won.

EDIT: just to continue betting with Tito, I don't know how you can have any faith in him at this point. His body is practically broken. You can't bounce back from back and neck surgeries. We'll see, but if he can't get the power to take down Chuck, who has better than average takedown defense, I am not sure what Tito could do.

Liddell is training hard for this fight. See him in the middle.

 

[slayer666]

The Iceman is punch drunk, you can see it in his eyes. It's sad when they don't know when to get out of the game.

 

[modogg]

Liddell is training hard for this fight. See him in the middle.

I saw that picture, and had to check it a few times. I saw that thread on bloodyelbow, and saw somebody referenced another picture with Chuck in shape like that. I honestly have to think it is photoshopped or something, but if it isn't, good for Chuck.

 

[modogg]

The Iceman is punch drunk, you can see it in his eyes. It's sad when they don't know when to get out of the game.

This is a possibility, but i honestly don't know enough about it. I know with getting KO'd, when a fighter fights without much rest in between, the chances of getting KO'd do go up. With Chuck taking a year off to do his thing, from what i heard that it supposed to help with the recovery from those things. The thing is Chuck doesn't fight any other way, so hopefully he isn't. I think if he gets KO'd by Franklin, he will call it quits. getting KO'd by Rashad (who just rocked Rampage, and his punch on Liddell was right on the "button") was bad, and he probably took the fight with Shogun without recovering like he should have. No question Shogun absolutely destroyed Chuck, but I am not sure how Chuck will look this time around. Like I have been saying, Rich Franklin isn't as fast as Rashad or Shogun, so Chuck may not be as susceptible. I would like to see him bring in some new training partners though and push himself a little more.

 

[modogg]

So I know there was a lot of discussion about the Brilz-Nog fight. I thought Brilz should have won it as well, but I agree with Dana that he shouldn't have been as complacent as he was in the 3rd, and that he could have made it more definitive. Anyway, the cry for fixing judging in MMA has been around for sometime (I think it really escalated after the Hammill-Bisping fight), and to be honest, it doesn't seem like a ton is being done to fix it. I have heard about different ideas to improve judging, but athletic commissions are flawed themselves, and i don't have a ton of faith on them fixing it themselves. I have also not heard of any quick fixes, but there is an interesting read on MMAfighting.com (http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/06/01/would-five-judges-make-a-difference/) about the idea of 5 judges instead of 3. i think if you add TV monitors, and you get 5 judges instead of 3, it would make some improvements relatively quickly. Of course the problem right now is the ineptitude of judges, so adding more poor judges wouldn't necessarily fix, but it would be sommething they could immediately implement that may help.

 

[Iron_Far]

The thought of a Lidell v. Franklin main event at this stage of their careers =

 

[QUEZILLA]

I just got back in town and didn't get to see the fight. Does anyone know of a link where I can watch the replay?

mixedmartialartvideos dot com usually has them.

thanks

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The thought of a Lidell v. Franklin main event at this stage of their careers =

This will be the first PPV that I won't be purchasing in a long time.

 

[raisydaisy]

[edit] Main card

Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin [1]

Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Patrick Barry[1]

Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann[1]

Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel[1]

Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald[1]

[edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham[1]

Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman[1]

[edit] Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda [1]

Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta[1]

Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick[1]

Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox[1]

This is a dog of a card even if Tito was on it. Doesn't mean it will be bad fights but just fights I have no interest in.

 

[sheerterror]

[edit] Main cardLight Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin [1] Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Patrick Barry[1] Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann[1] Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel[1] Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald[1] [edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham[1] Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman[1] [edit] Preliminary cardMiddleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda [1] Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta[1] Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick[1] Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox[1] This is a dog of a card even if Tito was on it. Doesn't mean it will be bad fights but just fights I have no interest in.

Agreed. This card should be free on Spike. Only fights with any semblence of future title contender implications are Griffin-Dunham (both fighters are a few wins away still, but that should be a great one) and Kampmann-Thiago. Everything else looks pretty much randomly thrown together. This should be the card Dana uses to "make it up to the fans" for the Silva debacle a few cards ago.

 

[zander_s]

The thought of a Lidell v. Franklin main event at this stage of their careers = :X

This will be the first PPV that I won't be purchasing in a long time.

I'll pass on this one as well.

 

[Abrantes]

[edit] Main card

Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin [1]

Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Patrick Barry[1]

Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann[1]

Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel[1]

Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald[1]

[edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham[1]

Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman[1]

[edit] Preliminary card

Middleweight bout: David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda [1]

Welterweight bout: James Wilks vs. Peter Sobotta[1]

Welterweight bout: Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick[1]

Welterweight bout: Mike Pyle vs. Jesse Lennox[1]

This is a dog of a card even if Tito was on it. Doesn't mean it will be bad fights but just fights I have no interest in.

Agreed. This card should be free on Spike. Only fights with any semblence of future title contender implications are Griffin-Dunham (both fighters are a few wins away still, but that should be a great one) and Kampmann-Thiago. Everything else looks pretty much randomly thrown together. This should be the card Dana uses to "make it up to the fans" for the Silva debacle a few cards ago.

Main card looks like a lot of fun, and the Spike TV bouts too, but the fights just don't have a major impact on any given division. Condit/MacDonald and Griffin/Dunham should be fantastic. Sorry to say that I don't really care about the main event.

Franklin

Barry

Thiago

Yvel

Condit

Dunham

Danzig

Miranda

Wilks

Funch

Pyle

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Louiseau left his mafioso and money laundering to fight again? cool.

Light Heavyweight bout: Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin

Heavyweight bout: Mirko Cro Cop vs. Patrick Barry

Welterweight bout: Paulo Thiago vs. Martin Kampmann (pains me to say. Huge MK fan, and I'll be cheering for him, but I think PT is too much.)

Heavyweight bout: Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel

Welterweight bout: Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

[edit] Preliminary card (Spike TV)

Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Evan Dunham

Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman

 

[snorlax]

There's going to be a lot of posting of this smiley: by the Liddell supporters after the fight on Saturday.

 

[Clayton Gray]

115 should be a very competitive card. I don't think there is a dog on the prelims nor the PPV that is bigger than +200.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

There's going to be a lot of posting of this smiley: by the Liddell supporters after the fight on Saturday.

Franklin has KO'd one guy in the last 3 years (7 fights) and that was Travis effing Lutter. I think Chuck catches him with something.

 

[Abrantes]

2005 Liddell made his name on knocking mid-level strikers the #### out, and would've likely mopped the floor with Franklin. Despite the hype about Liddell being in insane shape, though, those workouts can't bring back his reflexes or chin. It legitimately could go either way, but I'm taking Ace in this one.

Betting against Tyson Griffin mostly due to his long time away from the cage and the fact that I hate him.