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Coeur de Lion
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SacramentoBob
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Abrantes
Footballguy
A pretty decent Fight Night card, to be sure! I guess they just added Jacaré/Boetsch to it too, which...okay?
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
What's up with Werdum trying to out Dos Santos as gay?
Quez
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The UFC likely will be responsible for paying the legal fees for Lesnar & Dana. They have the resources to drag this thing out for years. However, Hunt probably has an opportunistic firm woking pro bono. Does the UFC play hardball, and risk negative steroid associated headlines for years? Do they immediately settle, and hope others don't follow in his footsteps?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You get a chunk of the other guy's purse if he misses weight -- why not if he gets popped for doping also?
modogg
Footballguy
yup. i went to grab it about a week ago, and it was around -430 maybe. I didn't go over -400 on this one either. Yair is awesome to watch, but we haven't seen him tested in all facets yet. Penn has been training for this for 2 years or so (different opponents but training). I could envision Penn going in and immediately going for a trip or takedown. i might try a prop bet or 2 on it, but yeah at that number it is no bueno
of course my MMA betting has been pretty bad lately too so i might be gunshy. Biggest best in '16 were Eddie Alvarez against McGreggor and Dominic Cruz against Cody.
. Back to the drawing board for me maybe
Coeur de Lion
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Quez
Footballguy
Ferguson should be a dog in 209. I like Khabib, but I think high level Jiu-Jitsu is probably better than high level Sambo. Khabib likely comes out like a bull, and the more experienced Ferguson catches him in a submission. Ferguson was making fun of a video Khabib posted of him hitting mits. So... I guess Tony thinks he's a superior boxer.
Most anticipated fight of the year. Both of these guys beat Conor imo. Conor's best bet is to fight Aldo again or Mayweather. He will never be able to defend the 155 belt.
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GOB
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Tony will have a huge advantage standing if / when they fight.
And Conor will have a good chance at defending because it'll be against Nate, or a rematch with Eddie, or some other guy who is good matchup for him. Zero chance he ever fights Khabib. And I highly doubt he ever fights Ferguson.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
modogg
Footballguy
After Conner beat Eddie the way he did I am not sure how confident i will feel betting against him for a bet. I have to assume others learn from Alvarez's dopey pride getting in his way for that fight. Conner-Khabib would be interesting cause Conner's striking is so superior to Khabib and he moves much better, i think he could give Khabib trouble. I would have to have money on El Cucouy though
Quez
Footballguy
I think Khabib would definitely get banged up on the way in, but eventually I think he gets ahold of Conner. Ferguson & Khabib are both bigger guys than Alvarez. I think the reach would pose a little more trouble for him.
I think CM Khabib is the fight Dana wants.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Agreed.
That said, I'd easily favor Mayweather against McGregor in a boxing match.
Quez
Footballguy
I don't think his body of work is great enough to make a statement like that, especially considering 3 fights ago he was heavily favored and lost, then a close decision. The last fight, yeah... Underestimated, I agree.
Also, I'm not saying he gets beat by 9/10 of the best 155s. I just don't like him against larger oppents. I still think he dominates anyone in the 145.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't think that Dana wants Khabib anywhere near the belt. His grappling heavy style isn't appealing to casuals, he doesn't really speak English well enough to do big time promotion, and he gets hurt all the time.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
It's not only the size, it's the style of fighter that matters. He's clearly one of the best in the world on the feet. We somehow still haven't seen him deal with anyone who wants to take him down repeatedly and fight an ugly fight on the ground. Short notice Mendes controlled him pretty easily that way until he gassed and got KTFO. He got his FW shot by beating Denis Siver while avoiding Edgar and Lamas who were the obvious matches to make for him. Hell, he didn't even fight guys like Clay Guida and Darren Elkins on the way up -- guys who are threats to spam takedowns and grind from the top, and won't run out of gas.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I am really excited for Ben Saunders / Court McGee on sunday night. neither guy will probably ever be a champ, but they're both really likable guys with skills and heart.
EYLive
Footballguy
He's a grappler but he has plenty of TKOs and submission finishes. His English isn't great but he's not shy on the mic and talks trash just fine. I find his broken english endearing. My biggest concern is his health.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'm a big fan too; what I'm questioning is his appeal to the "just bleed" casuals, which I think is more limited.
Cliff Clavin
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UFC president Dana White has made an official offer for Floyd Mayweather to fight UFC lightweight champion Conor McGregor in a boxing match.
On Friday, White went on Colin Cowherd’s "The Herd" to offer Mayweather $25 million to fight McGregor in a boxing match, and he’s willing to sit and negotiate the split of the pay-per-view. White also said that McGregor would also be paid $25 million for the fight.
“I’ll tell you what Floyd, here’s a real offer, and I’m the guy who can actually make the offer, and I’m actually making a real offer,” White said. “We’ll pay you 25 million, we’ll pay Conor 25 million, and then well talk pay-per-view and a certain number. There is a real offer.”
On Friday, White went on Colin Cowherd’s "The Herd" to offer Mayweather $25 million to fight McGregor in a boxing match, and he’s willing to sit and negotiate the split of the pay-per-view. White also said that McGregor would also be paid $25 million for the fight.
“I’ll tell you what Floyd, here’s a real offer, and I’m the guy who can actually make the offer, and I’m actually making a real offer,” White said. “We’ll pay you 25 million, we’ll pay Conor 25 million, and then well talk pay-per-view and a certain number. There is a real offer.”
Worm
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modogg
Footballguy
the PVP money is where it will matter for Floyd. the base money isn't as big of a deal. And no reason someone else can't throw money in the pot either.Worm said:
but Floyd's last PPV did around 350,000 and outside of the Pacquiao fight has been mixed results success wise. Conner's last 2 were 1.3 and 1.4 Mil. that is a big difference in returns on PPV. Put on top of that, they charged like $80 or something like that for the Pacquiao fight. Who is to say UFC doesn't do something similar and add $30/PPV buy for this fight. the money seems like it is something that can be there for all parties involved.
and I also think it comes down to Floyd himself. He has limited options for another huge payday, and how much does he really want to test himself. if he wants money, this would seem like an easy fight for him to take
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
CmG would get waxed in a boxing match. Just like FM would get James Toney'd in an MMA fight.
Coeur de Lion
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Above and beyond the fact that $25 million isn't going to be close to enough for Mayweather, I kind of doubt that Floyd would let the UFC promote the event. And I'm also sure that the UFC wouldn't want Conor fighting Floyd in a boxing match in the first place (or any prominent UFC fighter boxing a pro boxer for that matter). Having the face of your promotion get clowned isn't a good look. It would be as ugly as it was when James Toney tried to fight in the cage.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
He made almost 10x that for the Pacquiao fight.
modogg
Footballguy
yeah they can figure out the money of it. All I am saying is there is money there if they want to do it, and honestly how hard of a training camp would Mayweather need. It is an easy payday for him, would seem to be an easy decision.
For Conner and Dana, it is publicity and crossing over into another fan base. If Conner lasts more then 2 rounds I would think that is a win for him and the UFC. That is what promoters do, they promote. they can spin that 10 different ways to make sure Conner comes out ok. Do we really think if Conner loses his next UFC PPV numbers would be less? I say with the current state of MMA and the UFC, no way. I think this also goes vice versa for Floyd, I am sure there are plenty of the 1.3 or 1.4 million who have bought CM's PPVs have never purchased a Mayweather PPV but would buy this one
I think it comes down to how much of this is just talking smack or whatever and how much do both CM and Floyd actually care to fight. the money is there if they want it. I am sure we can do a year of posturing back and forth for each to get more money, and hopefully we can avoid that, but this seems like a fight where all involved could make lots of money and come out looking good. kind of a no brainer, and I wonder if the fact that the Tony-Khabib fight is for another interim title if Conner and Dana really aren't trying to promote this
SacramentoBob
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I feel like this is exactly the plot of The Great White Hype.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Two killers waiting for Conor @ LW and they're trying to make a boxing match with a retired 40 year-old. Do that #### UFC 1 style and make him fight Tony in an MMA contest and Floyd in boxing all in the same night. Imagine the PPV buys.
EYLive
Footballguy
Any chance they make the boxing match, Conor kicks Floyd in the face, Dana rushes into the ring with a steel chair, Justin Beiber pretends like he wants in on the action only to get sucker punched by an Artem Lobov right hook. 50 Cent laughs from his nosebleed seats.
I'd watch that... via illegal stream.
I'd watch that... via illegal stream.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
So how many PPV buys does this thing do if it's booked in the next 6 months? Conor did 1.6M for his fights with Diaz and Mayweather did 2M for Canelo Alvarez and 4.6M for Pacquiao.
modogg
Footballguy
that is the fun question. I think it would have to go higher then all of those. Intrigued by the the Pacquiao numbers because how many of them would pay for this? meaning, can the boxing only fans be convinced to pay for this MMA guy taking on their guy? I know all sports can be snobby, but we all know the boxing hardcores have not always loved MMA
SacramentoBob
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BUT, selling a bunch of wolf tickets with some hype like this fans an already flaming of inferno of ego and hot air. They know how quickly a huge asset can deflate though and will pull whatever stunts they can to keep the cash cow rolling.