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[Abrantes]

which fight was this? i missed it and looking for the replay

Derrick Lewis vs. Travis Browne!

 

[Quez]

Bisping is going to fight GSP.  Can't blame the UFC for going with the big money fight here, but Yoel Romero deserves a shot.  

I saw Lawler is training again.  With Maia taking a fight vs Masvidal, I would think Lawler gets the winner of Woodley/Thompson 2.  Nick Diaz could shake things up if he decides to return.  With them easily giving GSP a title shot, I would think they coukd also give Nick one.  

 

[EYLive]

That sucks for Romero and Maia. Both those guys should be next to fight for the championship.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Love GSP, but hate that we get another completely undeserved title shot featuring two dudes who aren't even close to being the best 185ers in the world. Blech.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I don't mind the fight. Was either silva or gsp. Bisping wanted no part of Romero. No reason not to milk the money fights as long as he can

 

[NutterButter]

First that bs with Hendo and now this nonsense.  Love GSP, but he has no business fighting for the middleweight title anytime soon.   

 

[NutterButter]

That sucks for Romero and Maia. Both those guys should be next to fight for the championship.

Why does it suck for Maia?   

 

[modogg]

Ferguson is fantastic, but it seems like every damn fight, he gifts his opponent with some sort of opportunity. He's been good enough to overcome it so far, but regardless of how much he's been talking up his wrestling, I don't think his typical overconfident approach will work against Khabib.

i think Tony wins it, but you are right that he seems to have that Forrest Griffin thing that he sits back until he is in trouble then turns it up. i am hoping this fight he skips that

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Toss Bisping's MW strap onto the constantly growing pile of fake titles. UFC has become a total joke IMO. What they're doing is so short-sighted too; they're destroying any semblance of credibility just like boxing has done over the years.

 

[EYLive]

Why does it suck for Maia?   

Because it seems like the UFC is avoiding giving him a title shot despite his recent dominance. Instead they book a rematch title fight, and put Maia up against someone ranked lower. I just think he earned a shot, yet guys will keep leap-frogging him due to his style and personality.

 

[modogg]

First that bs with Hendo and now this nonsense.  Love GSP, but he has no business fighting for the middleweight title anytime soon.   

ehh, think this is off a bit. Guy controlled the WW division for years and hasn't lost since Serra for a long time. no reason he shouldn't get a shot at 185. Similar to McGreggor getting a crack at 155 after he beat Aldo. that went off the rails with him jumping all around, but i don't think we could say GSP has no buisness in the upper rankings at MW. of course this all depends on how he looks too, but before the Hendricks fight the move to 185 for a title shot made total sense.

will be interesting when GSP wins. i wonder if Silva will get a fight or 2 and jump into a quick title fight with those 2. 

 

[EYLive]

Toss Bisping's MW strap onto the constantly growing pile of fake titles. UFC has become a total joke IMO. What they're doing is so short-sighted too; they're destroying any semblance of credibility just like boxing has done over the years.

I sort of agree. The new ownership doesn't value titles or rankings.

 

[NutterButter]

Because it seems like the UFC is avoiding giving him a title shot despite his recent dominance. Instead they book a rematch title fight, and put Maia up against someone ranked lower. I just think he earned a shot, yet guys will keep leap-frogging him due to his style and personality.

Gotcha.  I thought you somehow meant it was related to gsp.   I love Maia at 170.   One of the few fighters I pull for these days.  

 

[modogg]

Toss Bisping's MW strap onto the constantly growing pile of fake titles. UFC has become a total joke IMO. What they're doing is so short-sighted too; they're destroying any semblance of credibility just like boxing has done over the years.

really disagree here, how can you even say this? Did Bisping not KO the F out of Rockhold? and that fight was not that far off, made sense at the time with Jacare coming off a loss, Weidman losing to Luke, and Romero and his suspension. No idea why his title win would be fake

 

[Bobcat10]

ehh, think this is off a bit. Guy controlled the WW division for years and hasn't lost since Serra for a long time. no reason he shouldn't get a shot at 185. Similar to McGreggor getting a crack at 155 after he beat Aldo. that went off the rails with him jumping all around, but i don't think we could say GSP has no buisness in the upper rankings at MW. of course this all depends on how he looks too, but before the Hendricks fight the move to 185 for a title shot made total sense.

will be interesting when GSP wins. i wonder if Silva will get a fight or 2 and jump into a quick title fight with those 2. 

I have a good reason.  He hasn't done **** squat for YEARS.  Hasn't won, hasn't lost, hasn't competed.  During that time, others have.

Not similar to McG at all.

 

[NutterButter]

ehh, think this is off a bit. Guy controlled the WW division for years and hasn't lost since Serra for a long time. no reason he shouldn't get a shot at 185. Similar to McGreggor getting a crack at 155 after he beat Aldo. that went off the rails with him jumping all around, but i don't think we could say GSP has no buisness in the upper rankings at MW. of course this all depends on how he looks too, but before the Hendricks fight the move to 185 for a title shot made total sense.

will be interesting when GSP wins. i wonder if Silva will get a fight or 2 and jump into a quick title fight with those 2. 

we'll just have to disagree.   certainly if he had been the ww champ for the last 3+ years but he hasn't been.   there's at least 3 guys that deserve a shot more.  this is all about ratings and nothing about rankings.   

 

[EYLive]

Title or no title. I still believe Bisping lost to both Silva and Henderson. I won't dismiss his KO of Rockhold cuz that was his only recent legit win.

But he's getting old so I can see how he'd be eager to fight GSP for big money, as opposed to getting beaten to a pulp by Romero for less money.

 

[Quez]

really disagree here, how can you even say this? Did Bisping not KO the F out of Rockhold? and that fight was not that far off, made sense at the time with Jacare coming off a loss, Weidman losing to Luke, and Romero and his suspension. No idea why his title win would be fake

His title defense is fake.  He clearly was deserving of the title over Luke.  He barely defended his title against two lower ranked opponents.  That is the joke about the Bisping reign.  I don't blame him though, they all want the money fights.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

really disagree here, how can you even say this? Did Bisping not KO the F out of Rockhold? and that fight was not that far off, made sense at the time with Jacare coming off a loss, Weidman losing to Luke, and Romero and his suspension. No idea why his title win would be fake

It's fake because he's not defending the belt against worthy challengers. Henderson wasn't even a top 10 guy at MW and GSP has never fought professionally at 185.

 

[Quez]

This fight doesn't do anything for Bisping besides line his pockets.  He wins, "GSP is washed up".  He loses and he is about 4th in line for another shot.  Unless the UFC has a rematch, and keeps 2 belts...

 

[NutterButter]

if gsp wins, is he really going to defend against romero at 185 or just go back into retirement?  maybe they'll give spider a title shot next.   that would just be awesome.   

 

[Coeur de Lion]

ehh, think this is off a bit. Guy controlled the WW division for years and hasn't lost since Serra for a long time. no reason he shouldn't get a shot at 185. Similar to McGreggor getting a crack at 155 after he beat Aldo. that went off the rails with him jumping all around, but i don't think we could say GSP has no buisness in the upper rankings at MW. of course this all depends on how he looks too, but before the Hendricks fight the move to 185 for a title shot made total sense.

will be interesting when GSP wins. i wonder if Silva will get a fight or 2 and jump into a quick title fight with those 2. 

GSP hasn't set foot inside the cage in 3 1/2 years and has zero professional fights at 185 in his career. At this point, he doesn't even deserve to jump the line at WW, much less at MW.

 

[NutterButter]

GSP hasn't set foot inside the cage in 3 1/2 years and has zero professional fights at 185 in his career. At this point, he doesn't even deserve to jump the line at WW, much less at MW.

agreed.   the only good thing is maia doesn't have to wait another year before getting the title shot he deserves.   

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This fight doesn't do anything for Bisping besides line his pockets.  He wins, "GSP is washed up".  He loses and he is about 4th in line for another shot.  Unless the UFC has a rematch, and keeps 2 belts...

Yeah, but a rusty and much smaller GSP is much better than getting mauled by any of the guys actually at the top of the rankings -- Romero, Rockhold, and Jacare (and Weidman, but he's coming off of a loss) all destroy Bisping easily

 

[EYLive]

This WME-ING group is only in it to maximize short term gains. They paid boatloads for the company and need to make their money back. The recent matchmaking and personnel decisions prove it.

 

[Quez]

if gsp wins, is he really going to defend against romero at 185 or just go back into retirement?  maybe they'll give spider a title shot next.   that would just be awesome.   

He will just pwn Dana again and get whatever he wants.  What a display of negotiating this past half year.  Shows up at a few flights... He wants to come back, doesn't want to come back, and now he is coming back on his terms.  Title shot against Bisping, and he is probably getting a top UFC payday after CM.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

if gsp wins, is he really going to defend against romero at 185 or just go back into retirement?  maybe they'll give spider a title shot next.   that would just be awesome.   

No, it wouldn't. Anderson doesn't have a significant win since Summer 2012 in the Sonnen rematch.

That said, I'd bet that this is exactly what happens if he wins.

 

[NutterButter]

No, it wouldn't. Anderson doesn't have a significant win since Summer 2012 in the Sonnen rematch.

your sarcasm meter is broken.  you should get that checked out.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He will just pwn Dana again and get whatever he wants.  What a display of negotiating this past half year.  Shows up at a few flights... He wants to come back, doesn't want to come back, and now he is coming back on his terms.  Title shot against Bisping, and he is probably getting a top UFC payday after CM.

They've got to be pretty desperate for a big draw with Rousey likely done and McGregor sitting out for a while. GSP will probably still sell a ton of PPVs; he always has.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

your sarcasm meter is broken.  you should get that checked out.

My bad. Although in my defense, it's sometimes hard to tell in this thread the past few years (although not with you, so I should have known better).

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'm okay with the Soldier of Juice not getting a title shot

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He will just pwn Dana again and get whatever he wants.  What a display of negotiating this past half year.  Shows up at a few flights... He wants to come back, doesn't want to come back, and now he is coming back on his terms.  Title shot against Bisping, and he is probably getting a top UFC payday after CM.

I don't begrudge the payday because he has always been a top draw. The immediate title shot is total weak sauce though.

 

[modogg]

I have a good reason.  He hasn't done **** squat for YEARS.  Hasn't won, hasn't lost, hasn't competed.  During that time, others have.

Not similar to McG at all.

when BJ came back to the sport he jumped to the head of the line too. don't get me wrong, 95% of fighters shouldn't have to do this. i would say BJ, Silva, GSP, and maybe Rousey have earned that right

 

[Quez]

Do summer payperview usually sell better?  It seems like around the 4th of July, and Cinco de Mayo are always huge fight times.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bisping is going to fight GSP.  Can't blame the UFC for going with the big money fight here, but Yoel Romero deserves a shot.  

I saw Lawler is training again.  With Maia taking a fight vs Masvidal, I would think Lawler gets the winner of Woodley/Thompson 2.  Nick Diaz could shake things up if he decides to return.  With them easily giving GSP a title shot, I would think they coukd also give Nick one.  

GSP coming back to fight at MW makes sense.  If he wins the title, they can even have him fight Silva for the superfight that never was.  Also a potential rematch with Hendricks at this weight.

Winner of Maia/Masvidal should get winner of Woodley/Thompson 2.   The losers of those two fights + Lawler and Larkin can be matched up somehow.  Neil Magny needs a fight also.

 

[NutterButter]

when BJ came back to the sport he jumped to the head of the line too. don't get me wrong, 95% of fighters shouldn't have to do this. i would say BJ, Silva, GSP, and maybe Rousey have earned that right

i'm a little fuzzy on my ufc history, when did penn come back and get an immediate title shot?   i leave out the fact that he was never out of fighting for 3+ years.

 

[modogg]

Do summer payperview usually sell better?  It seems like around the 4th of July, and Cinco de Mayo are always huge fight times.

i don't think it has been seasonal, outside of the Super Bowl show. the 4th of July fights were around fight week which is usually a little better, and also fell around the time of UFC 100 and UFC 200

 

[modogg]

i'm a little fuzzy on my ufc history, when did penn come back and get an immediate title shot?   i leave out the fact that he was never out of fighting for 3+ years.

that might have been little different too, but it was the Jens fight to start 155 belt. BJ was also able to leverage into the title fight at 170.

 

[NutterButter]

GSP coming back to fight at MW makes sense.  If he wins the title, they can even have him fight Silva for the superfight that never was.

Winner of Maia/Masvidal should get winner of Woodley/Thompson 2.   The losers of those two fights + Lawler and Larkin can be matched up somehow.  Neil Magny needs a fight also.

makes sense only from a money perspective right just so where clear?   silva has even less business fighting for a title then gsp.   

 

[SacramentoBob]

Love GSP, but hate that we get another completely undeserved title shot featuring two dudes who aren't even close to being the best 185ers in the world. Blech.

Not UFC's fault that Bisping is the champ.  Some combo of Bisping/Romera/Souza needs to happen.  GSP leaping over Rockhold and Weidman doesn't bother me too much.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

when BJ came back to the sport he jumped to the head of the line too. don't get me wrong, 95% of fighters shouldn't have to do this. i would say BJ, Silva, GSP, and maybe Rousey have earned that right

You might be misremembering -- BJ never took significant time off until the very end of his career (like the last two fights). He left the UFC and then came back to an immediate title shot a weight class up against Hughes, true, but he left to fight (and beat) Takanori Gomi at ROTR which was a huge superfight between the consensus best two LWs in the world at the time.

 

[modogg]

and i guess i am playing devil's advocate with Bisping title run. you guys aren't wrong, but i don't blame Bisping for all of it. I know there was the logjam at the top of MW for awhile that did need to clog itself out. After Bisping won there wasn't necessarily a clear next fight for him. Jacare has been the closest, and i agree Romero has been screwed a bit with this one, but i can see an argument that Romero has not been the best soldier for the UFC with his PEDs and his antics in the octagon (which I for one welcome the heel-Romero). 

Bisping certainly should have only had one of these kinds of fights, and agreed one of those 4 should have had to fight Bisping during his title reign. 

 

[modogg]

You might be misremembering -- BJ never took significant time off until the very end of his career (like the last two fights). He left the UFC and then came back to an immediate title shot a weight class up against Hughes, true, but he left to fight (and beat) Takanori Gomi at ROTR which was a huge superfight between the consensus best two LWs in the world at the time.

i could be mis-remembering (sick so brain is in a fog). But back to the GSP thing, i can see an argument against it too, but i don't think this is as bad as other UFC moves over the last year. and i think the last year with the UFC has made this worse then if it just came about on it's own

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Not UFC's fault that Bisping is the champ.  Some combo of Bisping/Romera/Souza needs to happen.  GSP leaping over Rockhold and Weidman doesn't bother me too much.

Not at first, no. He stepped up as an injury replacement for Weidman and lightning struck. But the longer that they keep feeding him "old timer" type title defenses as opposed to having him fight the true killers of the division, the more their fault it becomes. They're protecting him because he sells PPVs, though, obviously.

 

[NutterButter]

Not at first, no. He stepped up as an injury replacement for Weidman and lightning struck. But the longer that they keep feeding him "old timer" type title defenses as opposed to having him fight the true killers of the division, the more their fault it becomes. They're protecting him because he sells PPVs, though, obviously.

And that's only b/c he's English, not b/c he's an exciting fighter.  

 

[Coeur de Lion]

And that's only b/c he's English, not b/c he's an exciting fighter.  

I also think that people watch hoping to see him get KTFO.

 

[Quez]

when BJ came back to the sport he jumped to the head of the line too. don't get me wrong, 95% of fighters shouldn't have to do this. i would say BJ, Silva, GSP, and maybe Rousey have earned that right

What about Nick?  I wonder what he is waiting on?  They said they offered him Lawler & Maia and he turned them down.  Is he waiting for the winner of Woodley/Thompson?  I don't know who get the title shot under the new big fight era.  Lawler & Diaz are bigger draws than Maia.  Maia was waiting for a title shot, so maybe something changed and he realized he wasn't next in line.  And what is that?  211?  I don't think they wait until May to start making the Woodley/ Thompson title defense.

 

[SacramentoBob]

makes sense only from a money perspective right just so where clear?   silva has even less business fighting for a title then gsp.   

GSP fighting in the MW division makes sense.  Having him fight Bisping for the title makes huge money sense. 

With respect to Silva, he has lots of losses on his card lately, but outside of the Weidman fights, he beat Diaz in the ring, should've beaten Bisping and lost to the current 205 champ.  Not as bad as it looks on paper.  Should Silva be over Romera and Souza?  No.  Will UFC try to make a GSP v Silva title fight happen?  Probably.

 

[NutterButter]

I also think that people watch hoping to see him get KTFO.

I can see that.  He's kind of a doosh although I have no problem with him.   

 

[SacramentoBob]

Rousey has looked outclassed in her last 2 competitive fights in her prime.  She doesn't deserve to leapfrog anyone during her next comeback.

GSP retired the reigning WW champ (bad judging v Hendricks aside).  Not entirely the same thing.