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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
It was live in the UAE -- The US PPV version they just showed starting at 10pm was on a 10 hour delay.Wait, was this PPV rebroadcast for free later?
modogg
Footballguy
Silva's catching a lot of heat for his fight, and I am not trying to defend his fight, but there is a good article on headkicklegend.com that puts it into a different perspective:
Purple Rain: Anderson Silva's Confounding Talent
by D.W. on Apr 10, 2010 2:08 PM PDT in MMA 14 comments
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Anderson Silva's art is misunderstood, via www.spidersilva.com
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Last night I had a friend over and we watched Purple Rain. I'm sure you are wondering why I'm leading into a story about Anderson Silva by mentioning Prince's egotistical centerpiece of his career. It was the film vehicle for himself which helped continue his ascent into a god-like status among fans and moved him to a whole new level. Purple Rain was a landmark for the musician; he proved that his music can transcend traditions and move on to another level. Fans, though, were disappointed when "Around the World in a Day" came out, followed by yet another film, "Under the Cherry Moon" which did not meet any expectations as the follow-up to Purple Rain. The soundtrack was brilliant, but the film was moody, darker and wasn't essentially a long music video with the same attitude and style as Purple Rain. Most of the 90's were spent with Prince doing his best to upset his record company, whom he felt were "enslaving" him and holding him back. He continued to insult and butt heads with his record label until he was done with his contract and went on to do whatever he wished with his name, career and music.
Does this sound familiar to anybody? To the average person, to see somebody with incredible talent, the belief is that they will continue to live up to their expectations and will be happy to please other people. In Prince's case, he outgrew the style of music associated with Purple Rain and eventually outgrew his backup band, The Revolution. When an artist decides that they want to move on, it is best to let them move on, as to force them to continue on the path that made them fame and fortune is to expect them to bite back, hard. Prince bit back hard, changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and released a rapid-succession of albums to get him out of his contract, none of them really engaging to a large audience.
Anderson Silva is in a strange position, as no one within the fight industry outside of possibly Roy Jones, Jr. have been an artist in the ring. In UFC especially, fans are endeared to the hard-working fighters with the nice guy demeanor like Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin and Georges St. Pierre. Win or lose, the fans will always love Randy Couture. It doesn't matter if his personal life is always a mess and he is by all means a womanizer, what matters is in public he comes across like a swell guy. The same can be said for Forrest Griffin, a man that the casual fans love and that journalists describe as nothing short of a massive ****. But like I said, none have the artist mentality, so a fighter like Anderson Silva will always have a hard time being a fan favorite and a PPV draw like Couture or Griffin.
UFC 112 was a perfect example of this. Anderson spent most of the fight just absolutely clowning on Demian Maia, much to the behest of Dana White, as well as most MMA fans and bloggers. The overwhelming commentary that I heard coming out of this fight was, "if you are so good, why not just finish the fight?" The other big term being tossed around was "disrespectful." To be blunt, Anderson Silva is very bored in his current disposition in life. Going into this fight, he knew that Maia posed no threat to him at all. Imagine being in school and being so brilliant that you are able to skip three grades, and then imagine the frustration when for the next three years you are told to stay in the same grade because that is what people want to see and you are just so great at it. This is really no different, and this is not to take away from Maia at all, who is a great fighter, he simply is not anywhere near the level of Anderson Silva.
A fighter like GSP might be content to dominate his weight class, show up in a well-tailored suit and talk up every mediocre opponent like they are a great challenge and that will endear him to the fans and to Dana White. What that means for GSP is that he will without a doubt be more successful, in the traditional sense, than Anderson Silva will ever be. Fans value hard work and modesty and see talents like Silva as confusing and irritating. Anderson really didn't even need to train for this fight, and honestly, with him slowing down like he did, I doubt he really did train very hard for this fight. Does it matter? He still easily dominated one of the top fighters in his weight class with no challenges in the Middleweight Division on the horizon anytime soon that will motivate him.
Anderson wanted to fight Roy Jones, Jr., something that he saw as a challenge for himself, but White found it ridiculous and too much of a risk and it was shot down. The concessions made were to allow him to jump up in weight a few times to fight Light Heavyweights like James Irvin (now down to Middleweight) and a legitimate challenge in Forrest Griffin. Griffin was easily (and I mean easily) picked apart, proving that there wouldn't be much of a challenge in the UFC anytime soon for Anderson, at least in his mind.
I'm not really sure what it means to be disrespectful to an industry of men who hit each other inside of a cage. I don't mean that as an insult, as I love MMA and have been watching it since I knew what it was when I was a kid. What I'm saying is that people need to take a step back and realize that they are watching an incredibly talented man who is incredibly troubled with how to handle his career in an industry that he simply doesn't fit in with but can easily dominate. Much like Prince, most people will consider Anderson Silva an arrogant, egotistical and unapproachable jerk on an unparalleled level. They'll revere his smash hits and pine over what could have been while all Silva will want is to forget they ever happened and move on to a new challenge.
Anderson Silva will never be what you want him to be and chances are, you can't understand what goes on in his head. Don't bother trying.
Purple Rain: Anderson Silva's Confounding Talent
by D.W. on Apr 10, 2010 2:08 PM PDT in MMA 14 comments
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Anderson Silva's art is misunderstood, via www.spidersilva.com
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Last night I had a friend over and we watched Purple Rain. I'm sure you are wondering why I'm leading into a story about Anderson Silva by mentioning Prince's egotistical centerpiece of his career. It was the film vehicle for himself which helped continue his ascent into a god-like status among fans and moved him to a whole new level. Purple Rain was a landmark for the musician; he proved that his music can transcend traditions and move on to another level. Fans, though, were disappointed when "Around the World in a Day" came out, followed by yet another film, "Under the Cherry Moon" which did not meet any expectations as the follow-up to Purple Rain. The soundtrack was brilliant, but the film was moody, darker and wasn't essentially a long music video with the same attitude and style as Purple Rain. Most of the 90's were spent with Prince doing his best to upset his record company, whom he felt were "enslaving" him and holding him back. He continued to insult and butt heads with his record label until he was done with his contract and went on to do whatever he wished with his name, career and music.
Does this sound familiar to anybody? To the average person, to see somebody with incredible talent, the belief is that they will continue to live up to their expectations and will be happy to please other people. In Prince's case, he outgrew the style of music associated with Purple Rain and eventually outgrew his backup band, The Revolution. When an artist decides that they want to move on, it is best to let them move on, as to force them to continue on the path that made them fame and fortune is to expect them to bite back, hard. Prince bit back hard, changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and released a rapid-succession of albums to get him out of his contract, none of them really engaging to a large audience.
Anderson Silva is in a strange position, as no one within the fight industry outside of possibly Roy Jones, Jr. have been an artist in the ring. In UFC especially, fans are endeared to the hard-working fighters with the nice guy demeanor like Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin and Georges St. Pierre. Win or lose, the fans will always love Randy Couture. It doesn't matter if his personal life is always a mess and he is by all means a womanizer, what matters is in public he comes across like a swell guy. The same can be said for Forrest Griffin, a man that the casual fans love and that journalists describe as nothing short of a massive ****. But like I said, none have the artist mentality, so a fighter like Anderson Silva will always have a hard time being a fan favorite and a PPV draw like Couture or Griffin.
UFC 112 was a perfect example of this. Anderson spent most of the fight just absolutely clowning on Demian Maia, much to the behest of Dana White, as well as most MMA fans and bloggers. The overwhelming commentary that I heard coming out of this fight was, "if you are so good, why not just finish the fight?" The other big term being tossed around was "disrespectful." To be blunt, Anderson Silva is very bored in his current disposition in life. Going into this fight, he knew that Maia posed no threat to him at all. Imagine being in school and being so brilliant that you are able to skip three grades, and then imagine the frustration when for the next three years you are told to stay in the same grade because that is what people want to see and you are just so great at it. This is really no different, and this is not to take away from Maia at all, who is a great fighter, he simply is not anywhere near the level of Anderson Silva.
A fighter like GSP might be content to dominate his weight class, show up in a well-tailored suit and talk up every mediocre opponent like they are a great challenge and that will endear him to the fans and to Dana White. What that means for GSP is that he will without a doubt be more successful, in the traditional sense, than Anderson Silva will ever be. Fans value hard work and modesty and see talents like Silva as confusing and irritating. Anderson really didn't even need to train for this fight, and honestly, with him slowing down like he did, I doubt he really did train very hard for this fight. Does it matter? He still easily dominated one of the top fighters in his weight class with no challenges in the Middleweight Division on the horizon anytime soon that will motivate him.
Anderson wanted to fight Roy Jones, Jr., something that he saw as a challenge for himself, but White found it ridiculous and too much of a risk and it was shot down. The concessions made were to allow him to jump up in weight a few times to fight Light Heavyweights like James Irvin (now down to Middleweight) and a legitimate challenge in Forrest Griffin. Griffin was easily (and I mean easily) picked apart, proving that there wouldn't be much of a challenge in the UFC anytime soon for Anderson, at least in his mind.
I'm not really sure what it means to be disrespectful to an industry of men who hit each other inside of a cage. I don't mean that as an insult, as I love MMA and have been watching it since I knew what it was when I was a kid. What I'm saying is that people need to take a step back and realize that they are watching an incredibly talented man who is incredibly troubled with how to handle his career in an industry that he simply doesn't fit in with but can easily dominate. Much like Prince, most people will consider Anderson Silva an arrogant, egotistical and unapproachable jerk on an unparalleled level. They'll revere his smash hits and pine over what could have been while all Silva will want is to forget they ever happened and move on to a new challenge.
Anderson Silva will never be what you want him to be and chances are, you can't understand what goes on in his head. Don't bother trying.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
All of that would be a great article if AS had clowned him for two rounds and then KTFO'd him in the 3rd or 4th.
To do what he did then run away for three rounds -- If he IS really that good, then it shows he's not serious about this thing at all. If he wasn't good enough to finish the fight tonight (and that's how it looked to me), then you take the pile of #### that comes your way when you show your ### for 2 rounds and then fizzle.
To do what he did then run away for three rounds -- If he IS really that good, then it shows he's not serious about this thing at all. If he wasn't good enough to finish the fight tonight (and that's how it looked to me), then you take the pile of #### that comes your way when you show your ### for 2 rounds and then fizzle.
BillyBarooo
Footballguy
silva needs to fight machida, period. i know they're friends, but i have a plan. We just need to create a scenario where Silva thinks that Machida slept with his wife, punched his mother, and then burned down his house.
seriously though, the boredom was written all over his face in this fight. He was doing anything he could to simply entertain himself. White needs to find a true challenge for Silva and it needs to happen fast.
seriously though, the boredom was written all over his face in this fight. He was doing anything he could to simply entertain himself. White needs to find a true challenge for Silva and it needs to happen fast.
modogg
Footballguy
hard to argue. Dana certainly agrees, and i would love to know what he spoke with Anderson about after the card. He left in the 4th round, and threw the belt at Ed Soares and told him to put the belt around him. So the big question is, what do Dana and Joe Silva do next? there is no one on in MW who can give Silva the motivation for a good fight. I would love to see some of the suggestions floated out there, like a Jon Jones vs. Silva. Personally, I think GSP at 170 would be a loss for Silva, and a fight with Jones at 205 may be a loss for Silva as well. outside of that, i am not sure
BillyBarooo
Footballguy
IMO, Silva would destroy GSP. GSP's whole game now is to simply bullrush and overpower his opponents. Silva would KHTFO before GSp even shot in on him. Jones at 205? maybe due to the size/strength aspect.
modogg
Footballguy
Silva and Soares spoke earlier in the week (and mentioned a lot during the PPV) about possibly dropping to 170 to take on GSP. That is a heck of a lot different then taking on GSP at 185, and i think both guys would come in around the same weight at a 170 lb. weight. GSP can take Silva down and GNP a lot. ANd GSP's stand-up is devastatingly under-rated at this point. it would be a great fight, and my money would be on GSP.And Jon Jones is quite a few fights away from Silva, but the potential for that one would be fantastic
Barry
Footballguy
at 170 GSP would take Silva down. Silva wouldn't KHTFO because Silva doesn't engage he counters.
BillyBarooo
Footballguy
in any event, hopefully tonight forced the hand of D White. Give Silva a mega fight or tell him to hit the road.
Barry
Footballguy
I don't remember what Belfort's illness was, I'd still like to see that fight. maybe move up Silva to 205 for good.
modogg
Footballguy
Vitor had shoulder surgery (I believe), and has started training again I believe.
theglorydays
Footballguy
did anyone think BJ won that fight? It was a razor close fight but those scores were ridiculous. 50-45? 49-46? I had it 48-47 BJ but i didn't watch the fight at my house so i can't go back and rewatch the fight. I thought Penn clearly round one and Edgar clearly won round 5. 2 and 3 were close calls and i can't seem to remember what way i scored round 4.
Abrantes
Footballguy
I had it 48-47 for Frankie too. The judges' scorecards were zany, but at least they got the winner right in my book. Shocked me, though. When they read the first card 50-45, I thought for sure it would be for BJ.
theglorydays
Footballguy
Same here and i was pissed. You could see Frankie said something and i think he thought he was going to be robbed. I could have lived with the decision for either fighter but the scores were pretty lopsided. I read on sherdog that fight metric had it 49-47 Penn. I'm not exactly sure what there scoring criteria is though.
modogg
Footballguy
watching it i thought Edgar won as well, but it was real close. I love to check fight metric when they have fights like these, and they have it for BJ and not as close as i thought:http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Edgar-Penn.html
theglorydays
Footballguy
Found this on sherdog....
MMA Junkie
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Edgar
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
Sherdog (specifically, J-Breen’s judging)
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Penn
Round 4: 10-10
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
MMAWeekly
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Edgar
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
Bloody Elbow
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Penn
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
MMA Junkie
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Edgar
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
Sherdog (specifically, J-Breen’s judging)
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Penn
Round 4: 10-10
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
MMAWeekly
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Edgar
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
Bloody Elbow
Round 1: 10-9 Penn
Round 2: 10-9 Penn
Round 3: 10-9 Edgar
Round 4: 10-9 Penn
Round 5: 10-9 Edgar
That was about as bad as Penn could show, but I still think he won. Oh well.
modogg
Footballguy
i really suggest looking at fightmetric.com. Real quality cite that does a good job of breaking down fights, and demonstrating what worked and what didn't. I do like how they compare takedown attempts and stuffed takedowns. http://www.fightmetric.com/
After the Edgar/Penn decision, I expected Maia to be awarded the final three rounds and the win. It would make almost as much sense seeing as Silva ran for half the fight.
And why didn't Buffer read the scores?
And why didn't Buffer read the scores?
theglorydays
Footballguy
I was wondering the same thing as well. Dana White is furious and threw the belt to Ed Soares (Silva's manager/interpreter) because he said he wasn't going to present him the belt after that performance.He also cut the press conference short (saying he can't listen to this #### anymore), alluded to putting Anderson on the undercard, and said that he isn't worthy of fighting GSP.
theglorydays
Footballguy
http://mmajunkie.com/news/18664/chael-sonn...nsurprising.mma
" I have a moral obligation to society to beat him(Anderson) up." - Chael Sonnen
WAR Sonnen ®
" I have a moral obligation to society to beat him(Anderson) up." - Chael Sonnen
WAR Sonnen ®
snorlax
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
I'm looking forward to Silva-GSP at 170. If Silva wins that one, I think maybe you have him fight Belfort, but then he has to go back to 205 at least. If he takes down another serious contender as easily as he did Griffin, assuming he won't fight Machida, I don't see why you wouldn't have him fight a top heavyweight. I thought I had already read talk of Silva-Lesnar somewhere previously.
And one judge had it 50-45 Edgar. :insanity:
theglorydays
Footballguy
I hope that BJ gets an immediate rematch because that was a very close fight. What do you guys think the line will be on that fight? -200 Penn? +200 Edgar? I'd be willing to wager a lot of money on him beating Frankie in a rematch. I would also be willing to wager money on him finishing Frankie as well. (
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
I only watched it once and not incredibly closely, but I was absolutely shocked at the score cards. How can someone see it as 50-45 Edgar?
I had it BJ winning 49-48. BJ wins round 1 and 2, Edgar wins round 5, and 3 and 4 were 10-10's.
I'm guessing the line would be about Penn -160 for the rematch.
I had it BJ winning 49-48. BJ wins round 1 and 2, Edgar wins round 5, and 3 and 4 were 10-10's.
I'm guessing the line would be about Penn -160 for the rematch.
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theglorydays
Footballguy
Yea i had it 48-47 for Penn but i can't remember what round i gave to what fighter. I think i gave 1,2 to Penn (2 was close) and 4, 5 to Edgar (4 was close). Round 3 was the closest of all the round IMO and i gave that to Penn.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Somewhat interesting in my eyes is the fact that will Silva's stock drops through the floor, between the top 2 185 contenders out there right now (Belfort and Sonnen), you probably have the two most credible challangers that he's seen [ Edit: For a while, anyway -- I certainly thought Hendo was going to beat him at the time] . One being the arguably best standup guy at 185 (outside of the champ, of course) and the other being arguably the best ground guy. While there were a couple nice fights sprinkled in there, we've been subjected to a long string of AS fights that bored me to tears on paper (Travis Lutter, Patrick Cote, James Irvin, Thales Leites..... :IBTL: ).
Now we've got two fights of his on the horizon (three if we're counting GSP) that I actually really want to see and Dana White nearly fired the dude on the spot last night
Now we've got two fights of his on the horizon (three if we're counting GSP) that I actually really want to see and Dana White nearly fired the dude on the spot last night
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Shoulder injury.
hooter311
Footballguy
Rematch would probably still see Penn around -350 to -400
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Another randons shot: We just had a card with maybe the 3 biggest names in BJJ who are still fighting today. Penn, Maia and Renzo.
None of them got to use any BJJ at all.
None of them got to use any BJJ at all.
snorlax
Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
You Penn guys are crazy. I think he probably won the first two rounds, but Edgar probably had a slight edge in the final three rounds due to things like Octagon control. And anyone who scores a round 10-10 might as well just say, "I don't have an opinion"; that doesn't happen in real life.
I thought Edgar fought well enough, and the decision wasn't outrageous enough, that he deserves at least one title defense before having to fight Penn again. I watched Penn live in Memphis and thought he was scary good the whole fight, but he just looked a little slow in the later rounds last night. Give Edgar the #1 contender, give Penn the #2 guy, and they can have a rematch if they both win. Maybe Penn will win that easily, but he's going to have to change up his strategy a bit then (maybe actually listen to his corner?).
I thought Edgar fought well enough, and the decision wasn't outrageous enough, that he deserves at least one title defense before having to fight Penn again. I watched Penn live in Memphis and thought he was scary good the whole fight, but he just looked a little slow in the later rounds last night. Give Edgar the #1 contender, give Penn the #2 guy, and they can have a rematch if they both win. Maybe Penn will win that easily, but he's going to have to change up his strategy a bit then (maybe actually listen to his corner?).
sheerterror
Footballguy
This will be a difficult scenario because Penn has virtually cleaned out the entire LW division, with the exception of Gray Maynard who has coincidentally handed Frankie Edgar the only loss of his career. Logic suggest Edgar-Maynard for the next fight, but then what do they do with Penn? He's got nothing left to prove in the LW division other than rematch Edgar/fight Maynard, but I doubt they leave him on the shelf that long to take on the winner of Edgar-Maynard and nothing beforehand. I'd say Penn-Guilard, but Guilard's definitely not ready for that kind of step up in competition.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Ok Mo, we got a little redemption - Frankie Edgar is beyond legit. Even if people feel Penn should have won that decision, you go 5 rounds with BJ Penn, you're a damn good fighter.Interesting in seeing what this Mousasi-Lawal line opens at. Given the Lawal hype train is possibly just as large as Mousasi's, I'm hoping to get something in the -200 range. The only thing I worry about is Lawal's wrestling ability, which is the big wild card in this fight. IF Lawal can take Mousasi down and hold him there with GNP, it could be ugly for Gegard. However, Lawal's never faced anyone remotely as good as Mousasi from a striking standpoint, or from a grappling standpoint. Lawal could take Mousasi down and just as easily get subbed, so we'll see what this opens at.
Waiting to pound Aldo as well. I'm hoping the Faber name keeps this line in check and we can get something around -150, but I could be way off.
modogg
Footballguy
I'd love to see Penn-Florian again. I think Kenny would look a lot better for their next fight, and it would be a good match-up. The Kenny that fought BJ the first time just didn't look like Kenny at all. And if the UFC just wanted to stall BJ, let us see Penn-Gomi.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Does anybody have a link to the Penn or Silva fights? mmalinker.com links are not working at the moment.
modogg
Footballguy
found a new one today: mmashare.com or mmator.com
Sebowski
Footballguy
Disagree. Silva is too fast. He would own GSP. I hope we get to see it. I'd rather see it as a catchweight aropund 178. Don't have to waste the welterweight title for a mega match.at 170 GSP would take Silva down. Silva wouldn't KHTFO because Silva doesn't engage he counters.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Fight metrics dissagrees with youhttp://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Edgar-Penn.html
Surprising stats in there.
Scored it 49-47 for BJ
sheerterror
Footballguy
Awesome, thanks bro.
Pick
Footballguy
It was live in the UAE -- The US PPV version they just showed starting at 10pm was on a 10 hour delay.Wait, was this PPV rebroadcast for free later?
The version I bought started at 10 or 11 AM.
hooter311
Footballguy
The played it twice. Same price.It was live in the UAE -- The US PPV version they just showed starting at 10pm was on a 10 hour delay.Wait, was this PPV rebroadcast for free later?
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
As a huge proponent of scoring 10-10 rounds, I could not disagree more with the idea that a 10-10 round means "I have no opinion." My opinion is that neither guy did appreciably more than the other to warrant giving him more points. In a 5, but especially 3, round fights giving someone a round that was very close is just terrible judging. Your opinion post fight should be reflected in your score card. So if there were two close rounds and one round that a fighter won clearly, anything but a 30-29 score card is just wrong. At the time of the fight, I thought there were 2 very close rounds, and 2 rounds BJ won and 1 round Frankie clearly won: 49-48 BJ wins.Although I think the decision was bad, the fact that Edgar won wasn't terrible. However, the 50-45 score card was so unbelievably terrible coupled with the fact that the UFC hand picked the judges (no athletic commission in Abu Daubi) should draw outrage. Cecil Peoples gets trashed for his judging, but that CP never scored a fight that terribly.The UFC has to a Penn-Edgar rematch as the next fight. BJ has beaten just about every LW except for Maynard, who is the most likely candidate for a title shot vs Edgar as he beat Edgar. BJ Penn is probably the 3rd biggest draw in the company so I think a rematch will be his next fight.
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Sebowski
Footballguy
I'd love to see more 10-10s and 10-8s and even 10-7s. I'd also love to see less weight cutting, but I know none of that will ever happen.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Only one judge out of three scored the Quarry / Starnes ####fest 30-24 -- if those three rounds aren't the exact definition of what a 10-8 round should be, then I hold little hope that we'll see them called anywhere.
Sebowski
Footballguy
The problem is that the system is there for them to call it 10-10. Perfectly legal. They just don't do it because they never did before because the guys before them didn;t do it before because the guys before them didn;t do it before. There is no real reason why they won't do it. They need to start, imo.
modogg
Footballguy
My only concern with this is that you would see more variance. There are so many fights where there are 3 different scores because all the judges scored it differently. With more variance in the judging (basically 95% is 10-9 now, with a few 10-8's and very, very few 10-10's), we could see scores that are not even close to eachother.
Edgar got a few shots in, but he looked far busier than he was. It worked for him.snorlax said: